Yes, Millennials also cost us the election.

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125. No offense, but I don't really care about who you supported 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the primary.

His framing of Clinton as a "corrupt" " candidate...

Doesn't the DNC take money from Wall Street? Isn't Wall Street always coddled by both parties? No matter who won the presidential election, the Treasury Secretary was going to be from a Wall Street firm. Those are facts. If establishment candidates feel it makes them look "corrupt" maybe they should examine their behavior.

I don't know how you could look at the democratic party over the past decade and come to the conclusion that "Ideas don't matter"

It's actually pretty easy. Most of them are watered down Republican ideas. Affordable Care Act comes from "Romneycare" which in turn came from a plan by the Heritage Foundation to rescue insurance companies. School choice as offered by Arne Duncan (which was one of the reasons he was elevated to Sec of Education) is part of the neoliberal (the word is appropriate, no matter how much you dislike it) idea of privatization of government services. Before the GOP saw an opportunity to impeach him over Monica Lewinsky, Bill Clinton planned to privatize Social Security - a policy championed by the GOP. As far as platforms go - how often do our inside-the-Beltway leaders look at party platforms? Why would people believe that Clinton would really give everything she had to ideas that she ridiculed in the primary?

I wonder what your response would be if I had omitted it ?

I'm glad to see that you didn't dispute the idea that an Independent or Green Party run by Senator Sanders would have cost Hillary the Popular Vote too. To answer your question, it would have been more like what follows:

What was so wrong with the establishment?

They enjoy "hippie-punching" almost as much as the GOP, and believe in austerity as part of being "fiscally conservative". They cede "framing the message" to conservatives, and never effectively challenge Republicans. They always look for reasons not to fight the GOP, and pat themselves on the back for finding them(see the Senate validation of the Florida vote count of 2000, "impeachment is off the table" or the Iraq Resolution). They don't protect the voters from vote suppression tactics. They are continuously "surprised" by GOP election fraud. They constantly reach across the aisle to the GOP no matter how many times they get slapped around. They are always looking for the largely mythical "republicans we can work with". The establishment also has a suspiciously weak plan of attack when it come to things that rank and file Democratic voters want, but Big Business does not.

You feel they wouldn't have heard the message this time around?

Considering who the House and Senate Minority Leaders are, no.

Hillary's feet would have been held to the fire like NO OTHER PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.

Yes, by Republicans in the House and Senate, by donors, by media, by Wall Street, by multinational corporations, by nations that supply H1-B visa workers(she did say that she could be elected Senator of Punjab), she would have responded to pressure by all of those groups. Voters, not so much. Liberals, not at all. She would have pointed out that the liberals managed - despite her best efforts - to have some influence in the party platform. She probably would have then demanded that liberals who want the platform ideas enacted work for the establishment to elect more establishment candidates, who would also ignore the party platform.