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2016 Postmortem

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bekkilyn

(454 posts)
54. Nobody knows the truth
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:16 AM
Dec 2016

Bernie may or may not have won, we just don't know. Bernie had a great message and I believe he would have been a great President, but Trump and the Republicans would have started hitting hard on the Socialism thing as well as the fact that he's Jewish, considering how much of Trump's campaign was based on hatred and discrimination. I'm also thinking more and more that no matter who the Democratic candidate was, the entire election would have been rigged against them based on things I've been seeing coming out of the states doing the recounts. It smells fishier and fishier.

I'm also not convinced that the majority of the Democratic party are establishment centrists supporting big money interests and business as usual. At least I hope not. Not only were a large number of Democrats excited by Bernie's message because it was *not* the above business as usual, they were later thrilled with the Democratic platform that Bernie and Hillary devised together...the most progressive platform the Democrats ever had in history from what people keep saying. I don't believe it would have happened though without a competitive primary. Hillary turned into a *much* stronger candidate than she would have been thanks to having competition (and it was kind compared to Trump...maybe too kind), and I have a lot more respect for her now than I did before the primaries even though I was always going to vote for the Democratic candidate. I went from the idea of holding my nose for her to actually believing she would be a good President.

I have been in depression for weeks knowing that the dark times are approaching. We *need* every ally we can get to fight this and we don't have time to keep bickering over stupid stuff. Who cares whether people think Bernie or Hillary would have done better? The fact is that *neither* of them won and we need to move forward as a united progressive force and quit pointing fingers and unproductively blaming each other (while forgetting our *real* enemy is out there) or the Democratic party and every other progressive is done for. Finis.

Build bridges instead of walls.

BFD!!! [View all] CajunBlazer Dec 2016 OP
#Endorsed. JHan Dec 2016 #1
Amen! leftofcool Dec 2016 #2
..and the endless bashing continues.... TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #3
I saw an article on yahoo talking about how the DNC is working hard to prepare to lose again in 2020 rwsanders Dec 2016 #14
I don't trust Yahoo stories when it is clear it has an agenda question everything Dec 2016 #24
It was a link to somewhere else, but basically the idea was the DNC is not prepared to adjust rwsanders Dec 2016 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #31
Good work on 'uniting without acrimony.' elleng Dec 2016 #4
Is that all you have to say. Thanks for agreeing with my post. CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #25
Why does this OP exist? It seems that's the only way people can generate high View/Post counts TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #57
It exist because certain posters Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #72
That's a pretty weak reply. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #80
What's weak Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #86
Remember, it's our Party too. Exilednight Dec 2016 #83
Then respect those of us who were not for Bernie Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #87
The knife cuts both ways. Exilednight Dec 2016 #91
It wasn't just Hillary's fault...Bernie and many others had their hand in the dirty deed. Auntie Bush Dec 2016 #101
Bernie had no hand in Hillary going down. Exilednight Dec 2016 #102
The DNC and Hillary supporters didn't want Bernie Sanders. Millions of Democrats did. Congratz think Dec 2016 #5
The DNC Is Not Bernie Sanders Personal PR Agency otohara Dec 2016 #19
Not all single payer is going to work. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #68
Sanders supporters alienated themselves CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #26
That sounds like a winning strategy bekkilyn Dec 2016 #38
How about treating Sanders supporters as your equals? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #62
She got elected because she got more votes. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #69
Not elected, nominated. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #79
Except, she DIDN'T "get elected". BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #107
Guess what? DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #56
THAT misinformation campaign is the kind of thing REPUBLICANS do. BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #63
If that were true, he would have won the primary...he didn't Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #67
DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2016 #6
Why did Debbie Wasserman schultz resign the day before the convention? think Dec 2016 #7
To avoid being the story since the people screaming about the DNC bias mythology Dec 2016 #12
controversy...it was an attempt to try to heal division. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #70
So why are we recycling this again? HassleCat Dec 2016 #8
Because, unless you been living under a rock, you have noticed.... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #28
I guess I was confused. HassleCat Dec 2016 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #33
Tell you what Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #88
I guess we have to banish ourselves HassleCat Dec 2016 #99
K&R sheshe2 Dec 2016 #9
You notice Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #17
Oh yes indeed.... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #34
Tell me what is constructive Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #89
I was amused when the Sanders savants celebrated Ralston's firing from his newspaper lapucelle Dec 2016 #10
Even O'Malley stated the DNC debate process was rigged. The DNC chose one candidate think Dec 2016 #11
Oh give it up, you're wasting your time CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #36
Thank you. I'm reading them Arazi Dec 2016 #52
Good lord.. JHan Dec 2016 #55
Sanders lost by 3,000,000 votes because the voters preferred Hillary. lapucelle Dec 2016 #64
So...how's that "unite without acrimony" drive going? FailureToCommunicate Dec 2016 #13
Why worry about unity when there's a shitty blog to be flogged? n/t QC Dec 2016 #20
If I wanted to push my "shitty" blog.... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #37
I read your blog. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #71
That's a high complement....Thank you CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #75
Thank you Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #15
He Couldn't/Can't Call For Party Unity Like Hillary Did otohara Dec 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #39
That is not true and insulting towards Democrats. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #95
He is still not a democrat Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #90
That is why I am still so angry with Bernie...is it not enough he cost us 2016...does Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #73
And the Civil War re-enactors take the field again. mac56 Dec 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #40
Divide and Conquer Martin Eden Dec 2016 #22
And, he actively campaigned against Demcoratic candidates - Vermont governor, the most notorious question everything Dec 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #41
I'm not sure how to tell you this, but not all Democratics PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #27
No, the establishment didn't succeed, Sanders failed CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #44
Okay, then if you're right about Sanders failed, PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #48
What did they do? BainsBane Dec 2016 #53
Let it go people, humbled_opinion Dec 2016 #29
and the republicans are enjoying seeing the split ......... Kathy M Dec 2016 #60
All you needed to have said was that last part... bekkilyn Dec 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #42
You're right of course, but I'm only human CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #45
Nobody knows the truth bekkilyn Dec 2016 #54
Don't be too discouraged, bekkilyn True Dough Dec 2016 #77
I hope you're right for all our sakes bekkilyn Dec 2016 #114
I too surprised "they" even let him in race, but it raised my opinion of Democratic establishment lostnfound Dec 2016 #43
Amen, brother Hekate Dec 2016 #47
Absolutely. Party insiders and elites pick first and do what they can to make that happen. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #49
Really? How do you explain that Bernie lost among Democratic party members.... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #76
But the establishment did a whole lot of misrepresenting of Sanders AND mischaracterizing of JCanete Dec 2016 #97
The DNC has always been a reliable vehicle for Democrats. Hitchhikers oasis Dec 2016 #50
I know Sanders supporters love him and I respect that love but hrmjustin Dec 2016 #51
K&R betsuni Dec 2016 #58
If you want people to "bury the hatchet"...baiting them is the WORST way to achieve that. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #59
Agree Kathy M Dec 2016 #61
Then tell your Bernie brethren to lay off of the... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #78
Good plan! or maybe go with Gahndi's principle of "an eye for an eye will make the world go blind." JCanete Dec 2016 #98
You are right...I allow my disappointment in losing this election and I will admit it anger Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #65
"Long past time to quit re-fighting the primaries" Orsino Dec 2016 #66
Then tell your Bernie brethren to lay off of the... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #85
We will when Bernie supporters Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #92
Hint: I was responding to an OP. n/t Orsino Dec 2016 #93
Oh I know Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #94
To be fair, he appealed to angry white dudes and look where many of them went. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #81
The Myths Democrats Swallowed That Cost Them The Presidential Election Gothmog Dec 2016 #82
K&R liquid diamond Dec 2016 #84
To think like this you have to have a far rosier view of our political system than actually exists. JCanete Dec 2016 #96
Sanders tried for 25 years to change the Party from the outside... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #103
Sanders ran as that outsider and affected DNC policy and Clinton's platform. JCanete Dec 2016 #104
No one is commenting on his integrity or his good work CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #105
That is a fair statement, but I'm pretty sure that Sanders got further than JCanete Dec 2016 #106
I totally agree, especially early on in his campaign CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #108
100 kebob Dec 2016 #100
What a laughable crock of BS from top to bottom. mtnsnake Dec 2016 #109
What a totally worthless post from someone who obviously... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #110
You could seriously give Trump some competition when it comes to bullshit mtnsnake Dec 2016 #111
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