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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: New Post on Palmer Report...Wisconsin (another update on Waukesha County) [View all]FBaggins
(27,740 posts)37. Not only "able"... but it's easy
http://www.palmerreport.com/news/vote-totals-shift-donald-trump-pennsylvania-1-recount/357/
The story out of Pennsylvania the day after the 2016 election was that Donald Trump had won the state in a shocking upset by a mere 70,638 votes. Those totals, which were supposedly final and came directly from the Pennsylvania precincts themselves, were widely reporting including in this USA Today article. But after major voluntary revisions by various precincts, Trumps already tiny lead has now shrunk considerably and this is all before the impending state recount.
The revisions are in no sense "voluntary" since counting absentee ballots and reviewing provisional ballots are actually required by law. Nor would the earlier counts be "supposedly final" (for exactly the same reason).
Then there's the misleading (http://www.palmerreport.com/news/despite-judges-ruling-most-wisconsin-counties-voluntarily-agree-to-hand-recounts/312/)
The reality here is very different from Palmer's spin. Nobody argued that the recount should be limited to machine counting... nor is there any "despite". State law says that each county gets to decide on their own which method is most appropriate for their situation. In the majority of cases, hand counting is preferred, but not in all. Stein wanted the court to ignore the law and order 100% hand counting... and lost. There is no "despite" since all of the counts are pressing forward exactly as they would have if the case was never attempted. The counties didn't "voluntarily agree" to Stein's request... they did just what they were already going to do.
More falsehood here:
http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/ahead-of-recounts-erred-trump-favor/306/
This yet again deceives the reader into thinking that the normal counting/canvassing/etc process is actually an "admission" of "error".
Then there's the lie about the "Wisconsin votes uncovered by the hand recount that the machines missed" (which were just mock-ups on sample ballots)
http://www.palmerreport.com/news/wisconsin-votes-uncovered-recount-counting-machines-missed/329/
This ridiculous claim despite the fact that the sample ballot clearly shows those directions.
The story out of Pennsylvania the day after the 2016 election was that Donald Trump had won the state in a shocking upset by a mere 70,638 votes. Those totals, which were supposedly final and came directly from the Pennsylvania precincts themselves, were widely reporting including in this USA Today article. But after major voluntary revisions by various precincts, Trumps already tiny lead has now shrunk considerably and this is all before the impending state recount.
The revisions are in no sense "voluntary" since counting absentee ballots and reviewing provisional ballots are actually required by law. Nor would the earlier counts be "supposedly final" (for exactly the same reason).
Then there's the misleading (http://www.palmerreport.com/news/despite-judges-ruling-most-wisconsin-counties-voluntarily-agree-to-hand-recounts/312/)
Despite the state governments best effort at preventing a hand recount, most of the ballots cast in the 2016 presidential race in Wisconsin will indeed be counted by hand. The Republican-controlled state went to court to try to limit Jill Steins recount to nothing more than a machine or optical scan recount, which is far less likely to reveal errors or fraud and a judge ruled that each Wisconsin county could decide on its own whether to recount by hand or machine. But as it turns out, most have agreed to do it by hand.
The reality here is very different from Palmer's spin. Nobody argued that the recount should be limited to machine counting... nor is there any "despite". State law says that each county gets to decide on their own which method is most appropriate for their situation. In the majority of cases, hand counting is preferred, but not in all. Stein wanted the court to ignore the law and order 100% hand counting... and lost. There is no "despite" since all of the counts are pressing forward exactly as they would have if the case was never attempted. The counties didn't "voluntarily agree" to Stein's request... they did just what they were already going to do.
More falsehood here:
http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/ahead-of-recounts-erred-trump-favor/306/
Ahead of recounts, three states admit they erred in Trumps favor by thousands of votes
This yet again deceives the reader into thinking that the normal counting/canvassing/etc process is actually an "admission" of "error".
Then there's the lie about the "Wisconsin votes uncovered by the hand recount that the machines missed" (which were just mock-ups on sample ballots)
http://www.palmerreport.com/news/wisconsin-votes-uncovered-recount-counting-machines-missed/329/
In other instances, voters circled the name of the candidate they were attempting to vote for, because the instructions never did say anything about how they were supposed to mark the candidate they were voting for.
This ridiculous claim despite the fact that the sample ballot clearly shows those directions.
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New Post on Palmer Report...Wisconsin (another update on Waukesha County) [View all]
Farmgirl1961
Dec 2016
OP
IIRC, the County Clerk there was a serious RW wanker, pulled some shenanigans...
lastlib
Dec 2016
#57
you are grossly misinformed. Please provide an example where the Palmer Report
KittyWampus
Dec 2016
#36
Someone I know who (an attorney) is on the ground and taking part in the recount
Glimmer of Hope
Dec 2016
#39
Walkesha is, has been and remains extremely Republican. That they would vote for Trump in large
stevebreeze
Dec 2016
#10
I'm starting to think the "soft" criticisms of Obama are founded... If Obama went hard as hell
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#18
The Democrats should never have taken the "honor the results" position.
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2016
#21
Yes, this is a good point too... somehow voter suppression should be top of DNC grass root to do
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#31
That's an accusation, Stein should provide proof.... and send it to the feds !!!!
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#17
We'll be reading this junk in 2050. We lost, period. A few votes might move in one direction or
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#25
I've held no brief for Palmer, and appreciate your correction of the record on that point, FB.
Mc Mike
Dec 2016
#46