2016 Postmortem

lostnfound

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20. Everything is relative. Look at Trump. We berniecrats and HRC supporters ARE on the same side

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 07:47 AM

Dec 2016

You can divide and divide and divide until we are fractured into grains of sand.

I say this as a person whose views have been heavily influenced by Chomsky and Naomi Klein... who went door to door for Bernie and donated way too much to his campaign.

As an older person who lived through the NAFTA years, I thought globalization was great in my 20s and early 30s, and in my 40s I recognized the consequences and would have favored a reversal, and I despised "corporatist". In my 50s now I see how wide ranging the views of my fellow Americans are, and I accept that good is NOT the enemy of best. Good is sometimes all you can get. Obama is essentially a corporatist -- but he has been a wonderful president in so many ways.

How do we get the Democratic Party to be less corporate centered, or less hawkish?

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I DON'T UNDERSTAND. what is with this Bernie is good/Hillary is bad all the sudden? [View all] trueblue2007 Dec 2016 OP

I don't think we are necesarily on the same side. Lunabell Dec 2016 #1

winner! Amishman Dec 2016 #15

Everything is relative. Look at Trump. We berniecrats and HRC supporters ARE on the same side lostnfound Dec 2016 #20

I feel the same. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #60

Guess what? Hillary doesn't give a rip what you think leftofcool Dec 2016 #31

more mindless drivel JCinNYC Dec 2016 #61

It is the delusional thinking that Bernie would have beaten Trump. Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #2

Former candidates named Bernie whose supporters call themselves Berniecarats lapucelle Dec 2016 #5

I think it's delusional to think that Bernie would absolutely lose NWCorona Dec 2016 #25

2 huge reasons why Bernie would have been crushed Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #37

great post.. JHan Dec 2016 #54

Camp dogwhistle? That's funny, I seem to remember there being a real camp dogwhistle back in 2008. Kentonio Dec 2016 #38

Camp Dogwhistle is Trump, not Sanders Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #39

Sorry, appears I managed to read your post and completely misunderstand it! Kentonio Dec 2016 #45

Blue is the Colour! Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #48

This is not an obsession with all of DU by any means DFW Dec 2016 #3

You forgot "third way". lapucelle Dec 2016 #6

Guilty as charged DFW Dec 2016 #17

+1! eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #52

We're not on the same side. 3rd way has shown itself to be an enemy of progressives. jfern Dec 2016 #4

I'm sure we all agree that environmental racism has to end. lapucelle Dec 2016 #7

They won't be voting 3rd way, they will be caving in to Trump leftofcool Dec 2016 #32

This will certainly put an end to the yammering. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2016 #8

Serves to divide an already fractured party. Third Way has been sent to the woodshed, doesn't know MaeScott Dec 2016 #9

The law of the backup quarterback DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #10

To your original point... lapucelle Dec 2016 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #13

Where did the poster indicate they preferred Lieberman? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #33

He is selling books harder than he campaigned, and I was there in 2008 lapucelle Dec 2016 #40

Amen! Now they can keep their "we will cave in to Trump" progressives leftofcool Dec 2016 #34

Here's what one of those "we will cave in to Trump" progressives had to say lapucelle Dec 2016 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #12

respond to Bernie bashing posts ??? trueblue2007 Dec 2016 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #16

This Bernie supporter agrees with you.. lostnfound Dec 2016 #18

"All the sudden"??? Where the hell have you been the last few months? Paladin Dec 2016 #19

It had pretty much ceased during the GE Dream Girl Dec 2016 #23

People who post on JPR finally realized how bat shit crazy it is and are returning. Unfortunately, Squinch Dec 2016 #21

It was the only good thing about JPR ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #35

JPR folks returning to the fold? Dream Girl Dec 2016 #22

Yes they are. Why? I thought that DU was soooo terrible and repressive and to be mocked lunasun Dec 2016 #30

There is a way to stop the neverending bickering - don't post about it and don't respond to posts. Vinca Dec 2016 #24

More gasoline on the fire. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #26

Unfortunately there's gonna be animosity towards both candidates for some here NWCorona Dec 2016 #27

Because apparently Bernie is a big top-5 reason why Hilary lost. Simple logic. nt jmg257 Dec 2016 #28

Next time around, maybe we just skip the primary? pokerfan Dec 2016 #62

Nothing wrong with a primary at all. JTFrog Dec 2016 #63

With all the evil low tactics we have just witnessed randr Dec 2016 #29

We're not on the same side. baldguy Dec 2016 #36

Well there you have it, and a blanket characterization to boot. "Stronger Apart!" JCanete Dec 2016 #42

So, your believe the RW propaganda about Clinton? baldguy Dec 2016 #58

I'm down for that. But how are you missing the threads coming from the other side that tarnish JCanete Dec 2016 #41

Angry Berniebros still angry. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #43

And vice versa NWCorona Dec 2016 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Dec 2016 #57

Some of those posters are JPR refugees NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #44

It isn't "all of a sudden", and Bernie isn't a Democrat - that drivel doesn't belong here. Lil Missy Dec 2016 #46

He's more of a Democrat than a lot of Democrats. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #50

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #64

Hillary is Good. Cha Dec 2016 #49

Both good Brian King Dec 2016 #51

It seems to me that there are people angry at Clinton or angry at Sanders. David__77 Dec 2016 #53

I am suspicious of posts like this. HassleCat Dec 2016 #55

Give it some time. Emotions are still azmom Dec 2016 #56

Neither will run again, so all this arguing will eventually come to an end. Give it a few years. grossproffit Dec 2016 #65