2016 Postmortem

Fast Walker 52

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39. Yes. It's not that complicated, though I don't know why it always seems that way

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 12:44 PM

Dec 2016

ooh look! Joe Biden wants to run!

not exactly a fresh face and scandal free but hits the other points.

He really should've run in 2016 though I'm not even a big fan of his, he would have given some extra juice to the primary and might have won the nom. He might have forestalled the Bernie people too.

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Ezra Klein: Democrats don't need to convert Trump supporters [View all] gollygee Dec 2016 OP

It's the new Progressive era, Ezra. They love Trump. He's against the TPP. leftofcool Dec 2016 #1

So is Hillary. Last I heard. truebluegreen Dec 2016 #22

"As it's currently written" 90-percent Dec 2016 #38

Yep. That was a dodge that fooled no one. truebluegreen Dec 2016 #47

You and 90 percent wrapped that up. NEXT!! Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #48

It's the New "Populist" Era Martin Eden Dec 2016 #66

+1 quakerboy Dec 2016 #79

We just need to get Democrats to vote SHRED Dec 2016 #2

We need to get non-voters to vote, too. n/t Orsino Dec 2016 #31

why, they have to vote on broken voting machines that don't record their vote after standing in line putitinD Dec 2016 #54

That is effing outrageous. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #70

I like to vote in person, I don't trust the absentee system, they have been known to change votes, putitinD Dec 2016 #78

What do we do about Democrats who can't vote because if required photo id's? KittyWampus Dec 2016 #52

Schedule transportation to nearest DMV and get photo ID. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #71

Forget Motor Voter, try Motor State ID forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #81

Not only no need.....really, no possibility NRaleighLiberal Dec 2016 #3

Agreed. Turnout is more important. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #4

You can't get through to ANY of them. duffyduff Dec 2016 #20

Where's this "crushing Clinton"? forgotmylogin Dec 2016 #5

Read the rest of the sentence gollygee Dec 2016 #6

Run a relatable, scandal-free talented fresh face geek tragedy Dec 2016 #7

Yes. It's not that complicated, though I don't know why it always seems that way Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #39

They had help. Comey, the news media, the 2013 Supreme Court ruling against the voting rights act, still_one Dec 2016 #8

yeah, that's the part they got that we didnt. mopinko Dec 2016 #11

Who cares about the popular vote? CrispyQ Dec 2016 #27

you are damned right we are f**ked. Every Democrat running for Senate in a swing still_one Dec 2016 #44

The GOP will act fast & bold. CrispyQ Dec 2016 #53

You are right to be frightened. What we are depending on is a few republicans in the Senate who still_one Dec 2016 #59

No doubt, as I have written many times-- the media killed the Dems more than any other factor Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #40

Everything? Twitter, too? Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #49

yeah, which tweets get good play and which dont. mopinko Dec 2016 #51

Heh. Tens of millions read tRump's twits; the media must wait to pick over 'em. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #58

You touched on the crux: What institution gives legitimacy? Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #80

Why is voting for a racist, piece-of-shit pig... yallerdawg Dec 2016 #9

Democrats don't have to radically alter anything... Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #10

Democrats don't do well with boring candidates NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #12

You've got something there. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #16

I agree with you... Blanks Dec 2016 #30

Yes Al Gore and Hillary Clinton won the popular vote NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #33

I liked Gore... Blanks Dec 2016 #60

Big reason I think Biden woulda cleaned his clock. Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #68

Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden would have won in a landslide. lark Dec 2016 #36

Yup. Hillary was always going to be a tough candidate to run. Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #67

hillary's problem was that she only had one problem mopinko Dec 2016 #13

The only problem she had was she was a woman. duffyduff Dec 2016 #19

I don't think it was "email..." She most likely lost for the same rason she lost in '08. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #50

Her only problem was that she was a Clinton. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #74

Au Contraire McKim Dec 2016 #21

How could she have dressed in a more low key way? gollygee Dec 2016 #23

are you joking? you think her clothes mattered? mopinko Dec 2016 #77

Klein's argument makes no sense and he knows it Renew Deal Dec 2016 #14

Nope. You can't do anything to reason with these people. duffyduff Dec 2016 #18

Many of "these people" voted for Obama Renew Deal Dec 2016 #41

Is there data to support that? TwilightZone Dec 2016 #69

not many JI7 Dec 2016 #82

We can't ignore ALL the people who voted for drumpf. lark Dec 2016 #37

At some point we have to convince people we are the better way Renew Deal Dec 2016 #43

Good points. More than a few DUers have been accused of racism, sexism, etc. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #55

There were families that proudly voted against a Clinton and then went out for ice cream. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #15

The Democratic Party doesn't need racists and sexists. duffyduff Dec 2016 #17

Half that don't vote: You have scant respect for prospecting the militantly apathetic. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #56

Let's face facts DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #24

Her popularity was sky high 3 or 4 years ago. Then the McCarthyism began. StevieM Dec 2016 #42

I agree OnionPatch Dec 2016 #63

Do not recruit. Never recruit. ancianita Dec 2016 #25

Oh, no! That is work and humility. You sweat. Get B.O. Drink cheap beer at 11 p.m. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #57

No, we're going to recruit. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #72

Think maybe Comey had anything to do with her defeat? DK504 Dec 2016 #26

There are more non-voters likely to be convinced than Trump voters..... vi5 Dec 2016 #28

the majority of clinton unpopularity was a direct result of certainot Dec 2016 #29

Brilliant Post McKim Dec 2016 #75

thanks. i think it comes down to some organization that can do this certainot Dec 2016 #76

Have you watched an interview with an avid Trump supporter? perdita9 Dec 2016 #32

Anyone who can believe gollygee Dec 2016 #34

He's not talking about the avid Trump supporter. Squinch Dec 2016 #35

The problem is that whoever the Democrats nominate will turn out to be a terrible human being StevieM Dec 2016 #45

It was a battle of candidates with high unfavorables andym Dec 2016 #46

This is all fine and well - except Rs control by large margins every branch of government Cosmocat Dec 2016 #61

He was able to perpetrate a fraud with assistance from a hostile foreign government LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #62

I can't help feeling bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #64

Ezra's the one who said "We are the Majority.. start acting like it" Cha Dec 2016 #65

We should not ignore standingtall Dec 2016 #73