2016 Postmortem

lapucelle

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54. The exit polls weren't off in 2012, and the assumption

Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:48 PM

Dec 2016

that this was done on a state level rather than a national or international level overlooks an important consideration.

During the primaries, Hillary consistently over-performed based her polling predictions and Trump consistently under-performed.

As for the loser, Sanders' polling was by and large accurate during the primary, with one notable exception.The one big surprise was Michigan.

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I think Hillary really won MI, PA, WI, and FL but the GOP counts the vote [View all] UCmeNdc Dec 2016 OP

I agree. Control-Z Dec 2016 #1

Don't know about... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #2

Some real changes have to be made in the vote counting procedures. UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #3

I agree with you. Where is the leader uniting all of the anticipated backlash against Hair Twitler? lonestarnot Dec 2016 #4

I agree, strategic election fraud in a number of swing states created this nightmare. diane in sf Dec 2016 #5

Exactly. 2naSalit Dec 2016 #10

Surgically precise rigging required altering about 50,000 votes to make Trump win. Coyotl Dec 2016 #31

Absolutely the case in Florida...and it's been that way since 2000. Sancho Dec 2016 #6

Agree, now what? Dream Girl Dec 2016 #7

I think HRC won other states too. Botany Dec 2016 #8

This was a coup. The hack on DU should have been a big clue. Raster Dec 2016 #53

very true; they hacked this website at will, but there are those here who trust the machines. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #65

No, the election wasn't stolen Amishman Dec 2016 #9

Those are good points though they are not conclusive. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #11

suppression is an entirely different matter Amishman Dec 2016 #13

interesting, thanks... is Oakland county a blue area? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #14

Yes n/t MichMary Dec 2016 #18

If even the POSSIBILITY exist then that's bad enough, I don't except the false bar that there uponit7771 Dec 2016 #22

There's also possibility there really is a child sex ring mythology Dec 2016 #28

The governor of Pennsylvania is a Democrat. former9thward Dec 2016 #35

true-- I keep forgetting that! They had a terrible Repub one for a while that stuck in my head Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #37

I was just going to say that. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #47

Stop trying to use facts and logic!!! Lurks Often Dec 2016 #16

.. and ignore Comey, Voter suppression and Russia... 3 DOCUMENTED factors in this election cause uponit7771 Dec 2016 #21

False bar, it doesn't have to be "stolen" just influenced uponit7771 Dec 2016 #20

NOT, tens of thousands of precincts. Votes are not counted at the precincts. Central tabiulators, Coyotl Dec 2016 #23

Votes normally are counted at precincts n/t SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #49

Some counties take uncounted ballots directly from the polling place to a central tabulator. Coyotl Dec 2016 #50

Other than absentee/early voting SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #61

Would have less of a problem with DK504 Dec 2016 #26

They stole the election Abouttime Dec 2016 #30

I disagree that the Republicans stole this election for this reason. ... spin Dec 2016 #58

Yes it is possible..... with computers yes it is possible UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #44

Then how do you explain the exit polls? lapucelle Dec 2016 #52

bad sampling and bad projection Amishman Dec 2016 #55

I'm not imagining a parellel. lapucelle Dec 2016 #57

Thanks for being the adult in the room. EL34x4 Dec 2016 #63

you don't have a clue whether the election results were accurate. nobody does; that's the problem.nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #66

You are assigning magical powers to the GOP BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #12

There is nothing magical about computer programming. Coyotl Dec 2016 #24

Obama won 11 of 12 swing states, all by small margins, in 2012 BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #25

And were the exit polls off by 5-12% in those states? Or the pre-election polls? Blue shifted? Coyotl Dec 2016 #27

Romney's pre-election polls were way off, just like this year's loser BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #29

The exit polls weren't off in 2012, and the assumption lapucelle Dec 2016 #54

Wow...tell Hillary BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #56

I'm too busy telling fiery progressives that rally attendees don't necessarily lapucelle Dec 2016 #59

Lol...you sound familiar BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #60

Voter suppression and election fraud, ever heard of them? brush Dec 2016 #33

Yeah, heard of reality, too BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #34

Apparently you don't remember Rove's meltdown on TV in 2012 when he realized his theft attempt . . . brush Dec 2016 #36

Yes it is possible..... with computers yes it is possible UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #45

If that is the case then we do not need to change our message or candidates RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #15

Never understood why Dems didn't make electoral reform a bigger issue in 2008 Va Lefty Dec 2016 #17

Yes, why fight the recount !??! What do they have to lose uponit7771 Dec 2016 #19

Democrats never make a fuss so the GOP is emboldened to monkey with elections. Vinca Dec 2016 #32

I recall that the SCOTUS stopped the recount in 2000. How is that Gore's fault? politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2016 #40

Gore didn't fight. Dubya did. Vinca Dec 2016 #41

And probably North Carolina as well. triron Dec 2016 #38

Then how come McCrory didn't get in on the deal? BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #39

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I think it's always true that the loser thinks the winner cheated Bob41213 Dec 2016 #43

If we organize I think we can still win this election! Joe941 Dec 2016 #46

PA, and WI have Dem SOS' Tiggeroshii Dec 2016 #48

Something strange happened for sure liberal N proud Dec 2016 #51

I have no doubt she won all of those states. duffyduff Dec 2016 #62

all the more reason to ditch the EC and computer voting; failing that, secede. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #64