2016 Postmortem

stevenleser

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316. I already walked you through it. Show how Bernie contests any of the states I mentioned.

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 11:53 AM

Dec 2016

Bernie does not have the support in the Demographics he needs to contest PA, VA, NC, SC, GA or FL. Hillary trounced him in those states in the primary. Look up the results.

Hillary even with the better support lost all of those states to Trump except VA which she barely won. With that, we can easily conclude Bernie would have also lost VA.

With that being the case, Trump would have 270+ EVs against Bernie and would have beaten him as well.

But its worse than that. If you understand Presidential elections at all, you know that a state that you cannot contest means that your opponent can reallocate resources, time, money, etc. that would have otherwise needed to be spent on that state elsewhere. That means every other swing state. He wouldn't have needed it, but he would likely have won Michigan and Wisconsin against Bernie as well, and possibly other swing states.

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I didnt read it, but then I dont think she lost, and I mean not only popular vote Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #155

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WI, NC, MI, and PA Duers who didn't vote for Hillary don't deserve anything. Justice Dec 2016 #99

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I do believe Sanders and Warren are stronger in the senate Kathy M Dec 2016 #301

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The last time they installed a know-nothing fascist loser in the Oval Office baldguy Dec 2016 #135

That's the point... Begabig Dec 2016 #150

So, what does the 2.5 million majority of people who voted for Clinton need to learn? baldguy Dec 2016 #243

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Some didn't read the OP, and has no idea who & what JPR is. baldguy Dec 2016 #261

It will all work itself out liberal N proud Dec 2016 #10

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Ever since they started sliming back in ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #14

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Like everything else he did, his endorsement was strictly on his terms. R B Garr Dec 2016 #39

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your post is unclear sfwriter Dec 2016 #65

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He was super dismissive of your post... sfwriter Dec 2016 #120

As if that poster's premise is incorrect? GummyBearz Dec 2016 #94

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Keep with that attitude zipplewrath Dec 2016 #246

BOG kind of perspective? JTFrog Dec 2016 #247

Yes, obnoxious and divisive terminology regarding those who support Democrats is their thing. stevenleser Dec 2016 #271

Which is different than the BOG approach zipplewrath Dec 2016 #317

No, what lost the election was the Bernie or Busters and the Bern it Downers R B Garr Dec 2016 #318

And all the other races we lost zipplewrath Dec 2016 #321

I notice you say nothing about gerrymandering or voter supression R B Garr Dec 2016 #323

Ok, you won't like it, but you are wrong. JTFrog Dec 2016 #319

Proof zipplewrath Dec 2016 #320

Her favorability ratings were higher until she started getting attacked from both sides for ffs. JTFrog Dec 2016 #322

Those were pretty dismal numbers zipplewrath Dec 2016 #324

So who did we have with better numbers? Her numbers were better than Bernie's. JTFrog Dec 2016 #325

Proof zipplewrath Dec 2016 #327

+1 shireen Dec 2016 #251

Ive had the same experience here. If you dont follow the group-think in lockstep, prepare to be jack_krass Dec 2016 #280

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... mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #86

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They go onto my ignore list. johnp3907 Dec 2016 #21

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Me too Cary Dec 2016 #35

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Me too. The go to source the latest Hillary "news" on JPR was a known white supremacist on Twitter grossproffit Dec 2016 #45

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'Yes, I was on that jury but I had to opt out because I didn't know what JPR was... CTyankee Dec 2016 #91

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Yep. We're posting w/ "Progressives" who voted for Trump to spite Hillary. The receipts are on JPR grossproffit Dec 2016 #41

we don't need a big tent at all RazBerryBeret Dec 2016 #43

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Why would counting on unreliable allies be in any way worthwhile? Idiots who were so bitter Bernie seaglass Dec 2016 #79

Great Theory RazBerryBeret Dec 2016 #95

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i voted for Hillary el_bryanto Dec 2016 #90

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Not wanting certain JPR posters ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #229

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I read FreeRepublic from time to time.. sfwriter Dec 2016 #84

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You are not alone. mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #100

thank god there are Enough sane people on the jury to keep it up! stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #183

YOU. ARE. NOT. ALONE. Raster Dec 2016 #116

... mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #123

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And you're all about scorched earth Cary Dec 2016 #239

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I have the same feeling... Raine Dec 2016 #300

I don't get the guilty conscience thing Dem2 Dec 2016 #107

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Liberal Isolationists suck. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #109

I don't see anything liberal in Trump apology BainsBane Dec 2016 #112

There is very very little that is progressive about a liberal isolationist. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #134

They aren't liberals--they're "progressive." But hell, the jerks that MADem Dec 2016 #177

This post is deliberately provoking discord among us The Blue Flower Dec 2016 #131

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But we're corporatist, Third Way BainsBane Dec 2016 #142

You forgot DLC and oligarchs mcar Dec 2016 #204

and neoliberal BainsBane Dec 2016 #208

... mcar Dec 2016 #233

And Vagina Voters - how could you forget that one? n/t seaglass Dec 2016 #234

Actually a rapprochement would be nice Cary Dec 2016 #152

I disagree. If it were only a primary issue that would be one thing. Many of us have watched their stevenleser Dec 2016 #275

You know you and I agree Cary Dec 2016 #283

Hummm..... "deliberately provoking discord among us"????? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #153

A lot of assumptions in your post. mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #167

I find absolutely nothing to complain about with your point of view CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #182

Check your assumptions again. mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #213

Sorry, that is not correct CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #248

Exactly! I was a Bernie supporter, and still am. I bought his book. And I felt welcome during the GE musicblind Dec 2016 #253

Read the OP again here mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #258

The OP should have been clear as to intent CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #266

Everything you wrote is correct. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #276

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I would modify the OP's statement DFW Dec 2016 #149

Divided we are stronger? How did that work in the last election? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #154

What's your solution? Cary Dec 2016 #157

I post here, and there, under this name. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #164

In other words you think the DLC sucks Cary Dec 2016 #173

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Hopeless Cary Dec 2016 #212

Possibly. But if the Democratic Party can wean itself from the money guillaumeb Dec 2016 #214

I was.referring to you Cary Dec 2016 #215

Politicians generally do just fine. Most incumbents in both parties guillaumeb Dec 2016 #217

Ridiculous Cary Dec 2016 #220

Dismissive after a loss? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #240

Wake me up when you accomplish something Cary Dec 2016 #241

You seem to be mistaking an attempted analysis for some sort of betrayal guillaumeb Dec 2016 #242

It's pretty simple Cary Dec 2016 #245

It is pretty simple: guillaumeb Dec 2016 #267

You discount the corrosive effect of the radical left Cary Dec 2016 #289

The DLC disbanded five years ago! DFW Dec 2016 #305

I assume he meant DNC Cary Dec 2016 #307

I guess! DFW Dec 2016 #313

Yep. Cary Dec 2016 #315

I never joined JPR but I am a Bernie supporter Kali Dec 2016 #158

The OP is about JPR posters Cary Dec 2016 #163

because I know and respect some of them Kali Dec 2016 #165

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yeah, you have a real nice day... Kali Dec 2016 #178

I would have a hard time respecting anyone... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #228

blame everybody for one or a few? Kali Dec 2016 #236

It was a rule on the site, sheshe2 Dec 2016 #237

People on this site called Bernie a racist.... jack_krass Dec 2016 #287

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I have no love loss for JPR but there are some who are members who rejected the anybody but Hillary hrmjustin Dec 2016 #175

It did ultimately work out well.. didn't it? basselope Dec 2016 #180

work out well for trump and bernie. stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #186

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K&R! stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #185

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Well then. Dream Girl Dec 2016 #189

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All righty then. Blue_In_AK Dec 2016 #223

... SidDithers Dec 2016 #225

Hey, Blue! mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #264

I agree w/ you for those who voted for anyone but Clinton LostOne4Ever Dec 2016 #224

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I'd like to see most return as long as they don't support Trump or... aikoaiko Dec 2016 #262

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I don't get why they even want to be here Dream Girl Dec 2016 #269

Wake up and you might figure it out. mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #270

The answer is simple. To disrupt and tell us how bad Democrats are. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #273

as they have been doing during Obama's presidency JI7 Dec 2016 #299

They are here to tell us how bad Democrats are. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #274

Is it? I didn't think previous elections were requirements for posting -- only going forward. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #298

Yes. seaglass Dec 2016 #306

Thank you. It is true that if you didn't vote for HRC, you are unwelcome to post on DU aikoaiko Dec 2016 #310

I disagree it is not just about HRC, it is about supporting Democrats. I guess you didn't read the seaglass Dec 2016 #312

Agreed. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #272

I hope they all come back. At least to visit. Its getting stale here.. jack_krass Dec 2016 #278

Oh I bet you do. RonniePudding Dec 2016 #281

Thanks. Yes, I violently opposed HRC in the primary, but jack_krass Dec 2016 #282

Still feel that way about Trump? RonniePudding Dec 2016 #288

Bernie would not have won and I can walk you through why. stevenleser Dec 2016 #290

Let's walk through that ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #308

I already walked you through it. Show how Bernie contests any of the states I mentioned. stevenleser Dec 2016 #316

I think Andrew Lloyd Weber in his Evita lyrics said it best. stevenleser Dec 2016 #279

Thanks for posting...what good is the strongest heart in a body that's falling apart? Dream Girl Dec 2016 #284

K an r. LOTS of it here. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #297

They disgust me. They helped Hillary lose and now they're back here. yardwork Dec 2016 #326