2016 Postmortem

BainsBane

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112. Yes, but I don't think it serves citizens

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:59 PM

Dec 2016

To rely on historical mythology when critiquing government and political parties. People can and should advocate for substantive change, but its better to do so with an eye toward the future rather than nostalgia for a past that never existed in the way they imagine.

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Nina Turner on How to Make the Democratic Party Great Again [View all] portlander23 Dec 2016 OP

Let me guess! Another slam against the Dem party because the voters care about economics!! bettyellen Dec 2016 #1

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Oligarchy!! Apparently the oligarchy is a lot more popular than Sanders guessed. bettyellen Dec 2016 #15

See post #10 FreakinDJ Dec 2016 #17

Exactly! If anything, Trump has humiliated Bernie R B Garr Dec 2016 #52

It was born of slavery BainsBane Dec 2016 #85

Very well said. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #109

Yes, but I don't think it serves citizens BainsBane Dec 2016 #112

True. And this imagined past is what the Tea Party insists on as fact. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #114

Hmmmm sheshe2 Dec 2016 #45

She couldn't even get re-elected to her State Senate seat redstateblues Dec 2016 #2

well that's going a bit far. So if somebody loses an election, they no longer JCanete Dec 2016 #5

Sounds like haters have to keep hating, elleng Dec 2016 #7

Ms. Turner did nothing but tear down Hillary. redstateblues Dec 2016 #127

She has seemed very ambivalent about being a Democrat redstateblues Dec 2016 #53

Well, if we're giving no credit to politicians who lose elections.... hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #93

So Clinton has no credibility now?!? Joe941 Dec 2016 #111

Hillary is a staunch Democrat. Ms. Turner is not. She actually hurt Hillary's campaign redstateblues Dec 2016 #126

Democrats lost 1.17 million voters in the Rust Belt that voted for Obama in 2012. think Dec 2016 #3

Abstentions - you mean the people who did vote for either candidate ?? FreakinDJ Dec 2016 #10

This is an open question portlander23 Dec 2016 #18

Keith Ellison is a shoe in and will do an amazing job ... just watch! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #54

No he won't...he made statements that guarantee he will become the story and not Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #75

Of course it should be, which is why I think KE will do an amazing job. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #79

He will be controversial...the GOP will make it about Ellison...and he will be hampered in his Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #80

I respect your opinion... we'll soon see and I think you'll be surprised. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #82

I hope so...I fear that having an inexperienced and controversial person run Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #89

I think I agree with you. I tire of--and it is not helpful for any riversedge Dec 2016 #105

This is what I saw among my rust belt friends and family. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #55

I'll never understand the idea that since the Ds are ignoring my plight, stopbush Dec 2016 #128

How many were screwed by Voter ID laws? About 10x more than her margin of loss... bettyellen Dec 2016 #20

Here are the actual voting results for Trumbull county Ohio for all 3 presidential elections. think Dec 2016 #22

We both know Sanders is going there to spin his story w MSNBCS help- every time he sams Dems bettyellen Dec 2016 #27

You'll see and hear a lot more of Bernie Sanders. The Democrats appointed him outreach chair think Dec 2016 #34

Unless he keeps slamming Democrats. Shit is getting tired. bettyellen Dec 2016 #46

Yes ..... Kathy M Dec 2016 #100

What the Democratic leadership is saying behind closed doors does not necessarily correspond lapucelle Dec 2016 #107

They didn't make up a title for him. Senator Amy Klobuchar is the current chair. think Dec 2016 #108

The current committee is the Senate Steering and Outreach Committee lapucelle Dec 2016 #117

I stand corrected. Still it is a good fit for Sanders. /nt think Dec 2016 #118

If the Democrats had won the senate, Sanders would have been chair lapucelle Dec 2016 #119

She is still bitter bravenak Dec 2016 #4

The Bernie bashes Dem tour is in full effect! And MSNBC is going to help- just as they did during bettyellen Dec 2016 #28

It never ends. bravenak Dec 2016 #50

DEMOCRATS SUCK! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #57

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Along with most on here on the left. NWCorona Dec 2016 #92

'we can't throw away the coalition of progressive people of color and progressive whites elleng Dec 2016 #6

And Why Should We Listen To Her? Me. Dec 2016 #9

Because they were right? portlander23 Dec 2016 #11

No, they weren't right. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #12

About What? Me. Dec 2016 #13

The losers giving advice again and again is losing its charm... bettyellen Dec 2016 #14

Who was the winner of the 2016 election again? portlander23 Dec 2016 #19

Hillary got more votes than Obama. She beat Sanders handily as well. bettyellen Dec 2016 #21

It was a really close election portlander23 Dec 2016 #25

With interference from the FBI at the last minute? Oh please. bettyellen Dec 2016 #30

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Bullshit. He created a scandalous fake "investigation" by pretending there was new information. bettyellen Dec 2016 #36

OK. You're right. portlander23 Dec 2016 #38

You've been pushing RW talking points shamelessly in order to denigrate our candidate. bettyellen Dec 2016 #42

Both our Candidate and the DEMOCRATIC PARTY sheshe2 Dec 2016 #58

It's pretty clear that Comey influenced the election. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #43

As BettyEllen noted below, they are invested in pushing "Bernie's secret sauce" as the solution stevenleser Dec 2016 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightZone Dec 2016 #39

Thanks, portlander. elleng Dec 2016 #24

Depends. Hillary won the popular vote. Since every argument you are making suggests stevenleser Dec 2016 #31

He's now pushing the email scandal as a thing- LOL. bettyellen Dec 2016 #37

Not surprising. Anyone with a brain recognized that was B.S. from day one. Like Benghazi. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #40

I knew the Wikileaks thing was crap- hacker culture is incredibly sexist in nature and when I heard bettyellen Dec 2016 #41

You may not " want his advise " .... but think about something .... Kathy M Dec 2016 #99

Like the crew that lost to the most absurd candidate in history? QC Dec 2016 #103

Seriously? sheshe2 Dec 2016 #47

No one was right or wrong Kathy M Dec 2016 #101

Exactly, Me. Thank you! Cha Dec 2016 #68

What. A. Crock. ucrdem Dec 2016 #16

Any bullshit to sell us Sanders secret sauce! bettyellen Dec 2016 #23

That stuff is way past it's sell-by and needs to be thrown away. ucrdem Dec 2016 #29

Hey you! ;) sheshe2 Dec 2016 #48

Like being told how to buy back a stolen bike ucrdem Dec 2016 #65

Nina Turner on How to Make the Democratic Party Great Again. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #26

Nina, don't go away mad this time, just, go away. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #32

Everytime she opened her mouth I turned her off. LiberalFighter Dec 2016 #33

Nina who? sheshe2 Dec 2016 #49

didn't Nina Turner lose an Election ? JI7 Dec 2016 #51

Some things just can't flame out quickly enough. JTFrog Dec 2016 #56

How did taking her own advice work out for her? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #59

I have one question, who did Ms. Turner vote for in the general election? still_one Dec 2016 #60

I think she and Tulsi used Bernie to hurt the Dems... bettyellen Dec 2016 #61

You are right still_one Dec 2016 #63

When you refer to the Democrats as "they" you aren't a Democrat. Justice Dec 2016 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Dec 2016 #94

No amount of hatred for Bernie Sanders and dismissal of his supporters democrank Dec 2016 #62

Thanks. +1 tecelote Dec 2016 #64

+ 1 Kathy M Dec 2016 #115

No hatred or dismissal works both ways. Justice Dec 2016 #73

+1 Kathy M Dec 2016 #116

Poor Democrats! They must change, or else they will never win the popular vote!!! DetlefK Dec 2016 #66

Youre exactly right. We DID win the popular vote. However.... democrank Dec 2016 #91

Turner needs to understand the importance of loyalty before giving lectures oasis Dec 2016 #69

Like Dem Loyalty to the working class - TPP, NAFTA, GAT ... FreakinDJ Dec 2016 #70

Hillary Clinton voted against the only trade agreement that came before her in the Senate. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #77

+1 QC Dec 2016 #104

Nina knew the score before she switched sides. I'm addressing oasis Dec 2016 #120

Nina Turner really turns me off. Justice Dec 2016 #71

Better believe it!...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #74

Nina is of course correct ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #76

Bernie would be 80 in 20 Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #78

And? ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #81

He didn't win the primary befor,e and he won't this time. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #83

Ok Demsrule86 I'm a little confused here by your response ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #86

I would not vote for Bernie in a primary. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #88

Bernie advocated a stock transaction tax to help pay for his college program. The tax would hit high think Dec 2016 #90

He did call for an increase in payroll taxes...I thought it was for tuition but it was paid leave Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #98

All the graphs showed a decent hike in taxes for the middle class. He was DOA on that. bettyellen Dec 2016 #110

He didn't win the primary before and he won't this time. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #129

Tulsi is not a progressive. So ridic. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #106

Specifically tell me why Tulsi isn't a progressive in your eyes please ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #113

She is very hawkish and outright Islamaphobic La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #123

Ah so now you want to into personal attacks, eh? ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #124

Maybe you should read more than thecthings La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #125

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not a personal attack, She is an islamaphobe and the only reason the alt-left dont see it La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #134

She said 'They' not we by the way... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #84

The DNC chair resigned just last summer. Yet Turner talking about getting the party on track again think Dec 2016 #87

I do not trust Nina Turner or care about her opinion on anything Gothmog Dec 2016 #95

The Democratic Party has issues but it's not widely unpopular Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #96

Agree ...... Kathy M Dec 2016 #102

Nina Turner has nothing to say that I want to hear, anymore. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #97

Make no mistake, all voters should have seen through Trump mvd Dec 2016 #121

I love the passion and sense that Nina brings. Kentonio Dec 2016 #122

Nina is full of crap. Lil Missy Dec 2016 #130

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Interesting read portlander. Thanks for posting Arazi Dec 2016 #133