2016 Postmortem

Lithos

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69. They don't get it...

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:34 AM

Dec 2016

Big difference...

As I've said before, identity politics can come across as an "us" vs "them" type of thing when the authors really are trying to say it's an "all of us" kind of thing.

This is what Conservatives designed Faux News (and other conservative outlets ) to counter 24/7. The conservatives do an excellent job of misinterpreting the message of Identity politics which dilutes the usefulness of this for us in certain markets.

Rather, we need a campaign which focuses on simpler messages - like Obama did in 2008 with "Hope". There is change happening and we need a good message to help people with transition. "Keeping ahead!" or some "change friendly" slogan where we articulate our gaps and what we need to do to keep moving forward.

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TIME: Meet the rust belt voters who voted for Trump [View all] Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 OP

OMG.. pangaia Dec 2016 #1

The media were willing accomplices still_one Dec 2016 #2

And they still are by promoting this "Trump Democrats" bullshit. duffyduff Dec 2016 #45

You are absolutely right still_one Dec 2016 #49

Well, minorities and immigrants clearly aren't everyday Americans. Trump could tell you that. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #3

Translation: Racism and xenophobia, with a lot of sexism thrown in. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #46

Blech. A bunch of moronic racists. Coventina Dec 2016 #4

I don't see them as racists just low information fucktards snooper2 Dec 2016 #7

well, the first one seems a little racist... Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #10

Low-information is a good description Lithos Dec 2016 #54

You're too kind. She's an out-and-out-but-unaware-that-she-is racist. brush Dec 2016 #59

Still stand behind my comment Lithos Dec 2016 #63

Your ideas are thoughtful and valid. I feel however, much unconscious racism abounds brush Dec 2016 #64

Her comments were an echo Lithos Dec 2016 #70

Good on you. What's needed is robust progressive media to combat 24/7 FOX and right wing radio. brush Dec 2016 #71

More than that Lithos Dec 2016 #72

Of course, 24/7 progressive media would encompass all of that. Has to be state of the art brush Dec 2016 #73

True Lithos Dec 2016 #74

"Everyday Americans" white people. But they don't do "identity politics." EffieBlack Dec 2016 #65

They don't get it... Lithos Dec 2016 #69

Everyone of them has that yay bootstraps no handouts mentality that is a cover for racial resentment bettyellen Dec 2016 #11

+1 iluvtennis Dec 2016 #40

All that remains is how quickly they blame the Ds for Trump's stopbush Dec 2016 #5

If these areas think for one minute that Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #6

We should have talked about raising the minimum wage.... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #8

Not one of Clinton's ads talked about any of that. And she didn't even bother KittyWampus Dec 2016 #13

HRC went to Michigan, PA, OH. Didn't go to WI. Justice Dec 2016 #14

It's like they didn't watch one second of the campaign. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #16

That's what I've concluded. I read a lot of nutty stuff at DU during the primary, but... Garrett78 Dec 2016 #47

If she had gone to Wisconsin, these people would have voted for her? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #66

Both of your claims are outright dishonest. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #15

Those are both great ads. Where were they run? Glassunion Dec 2016 #22

I never saw them in IA/NE either. progressoid Dec 2016 #23

Poster said Clinton didn't have them. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #33

I hear ya. Glassunion Dec 2016 #37

they were expecting big city turnout at 2012 levels pstokely Dec 2016 #44

That was a mistake Glassunion Dec 2016 #57

They can drop dead MFM008 Dec 2016 #9

I hope they do a follow-up with them a year from now. Vinca Dec 2016 #12

Minorities and immigrants don't "count" as Americans. yardwork Dec 2016 #17

So rather than win them back we want to lose again? realmirage Dec 2016 #18

well, as many have said here, we HAD an economic message. These people just didn't hear it. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #26

No - we pull in other voters. These people are a lost cause and a waste of time EffieBlack Dec 2016 #67

I read this hoping for some thoughtful reason and all I got was Justice Dec 2016 #19

It's the same with unemployment or abortion and other issues NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #30

And yet there are those who declare, emphatically, that race didn't play a role. "Identity politics" Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #20

Did you look at all nine? progressoid Dec 2016 #24

yes, I saw that, and I felt bad for them. I wonder where they get their news from. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #27

Yes, the token minority people who help promote the lie of "Trump Democrats." duffyduff Dec 2016 #42

Token? progressoid Dec 2016 #50

Yep, just dismiss their concerns because the are part of the deplorables hueymahl Dec 2016 #21

They are willfully stupid. You can't fix these people. duffyduff Dec 2016 #43

Blame it on racism but most of them say it was the economy and jobs that swayed their vote. progressoid Dec 2016 #25

yes, but Hillary had an economic message. Why do you think Trump's was more effective for them? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #28

Lots of reasons. progressoid Dec 2016 #32

Do you even think they are honest at all? duffyduff Dec 2016 #41

Of course they said that. You think their going to say we liked Trump's . . . brush Dec 2016 #62

Of course they say that - while making racist comments and revealing their white supremacy EffieBlack Dec 2016 #68

They come across as mostly impressionable BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #29

We don't need them, period. duffyduff Dec 2016 #39

I agree with you. LisaM Dec 2016 #51

it didn't bother her that he was a racist, misogonist, xenophobe. if DesertFlower Dec 2016 #31

Fuck 'em. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #34

I love how the union worker and the immigramt's grandduaghter DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #35

If you aren't white.. coco22 Dec 2016 #36

More b.s. trying to foster the fake trend of "Trump Democrats." duffyduff Dec 2016 #38

Speaks volumes doesn't it? Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #48

My biggest fear came true. I use to live in the rust belt (Pa.) and I know how upset napi21 Dec 2016 #52

Twit JDC Dec 2016 #53

fair enough AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #55

I can kind of see why some rust belt Democrats appealed to Trump's message Seasider Dec 2016 #56

and this is suppose to convince us many of these fucks who voted trump aren't misogynist racists? boston bean Dec 2016 #58

The Rust Belt and the gold-buckled, diamond-studded belt DFW Dec 2016 #60

Well alrighty, then Chitown Kev Dec 2016 #61