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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The Fatal Flaw in the Post-Mortem Analyses [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)75. You are looking at the FUV as if it isn't a symptom of something systemic.
While you are right, there's a lot of looking in the wrong places, I'd say looking at the product of our societal evolution is not the place to hone in on. The hands on the rudder of our spiraling nation, as much as there are any, should be where we focus, and I contend that one thing we absolutely can pin the election loss on, and so much other shit that has continued dumbing us down more than just civically, is our corporate media. (of course that's symptomatic too, but its closer to the mark.)
I know a counter to that would be that in the scheme of things, nobody watches or reads it, but I assure you, if something gets said on fox, eventually I'll be hearing it from people who never watch Fox, regurgitated to me as a matter of fact. And frankly, in some ways Fox is the least egregious. At least it wears its affiliation on its sleeve..."fair and balanced" slogan be damned.
The rest of our news is horrible, and that isn't just the way the cookie crumbled. It is horrible by design. It is horrible because the corps that own the media barely fund their actual journalism capabilities, and because everything is a third-rail issue when you have to appease the very same corporate advertisers that you would otherwise report on...to say nothing of needing to avoid anything to do with one's parent company or its interests, and you should probably stay away from the interests of dealings of other big corps who have a media wing, because your bosses probably don't want an arms race of . There are a lot of excuses for why good reporting can't get done in the main-stream, but the bottom line is, it can't get done because those who could make it happen, don't.
There's a reason why Thomas Carlyle said the fourth estate was the most important of all, and why Jefferson said Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe. Because we need it for an informed electorate. We need it to prevent the excesses of gerrymandering and the disenfranchisement of voters, and the vandalism of curriculum in schools.
When the mainstream media is owned so wholly by a handful of mega-corporations, I would suggest that we aren't living in Jefferson's utopia anymore. Sure, people are free to report on anything they like...its a free country, but nobody has to help them be heard.
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As far as tRump polling as being more honest... I always say never underestimate the stupidity of the average American voter.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#5
This was an unparalleled election. a I would not take away anything from it at all.
SleeplessinSoCal
Dec 2016
#16
You certainly can't trust an FBI to which you have appointed a Republican to head. nt
Nay
Dec 2016
#41
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
TwilightZone
Dec 2016
#2
Not a bad analysis... you're absolutely right, the average voter is horribly misinformed...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#3
Agree. And when a 20-something was giving me his (uninformed) views on the election
spooky3
Dec 2016
#64
Well put. Unfortunately, the response to that politically needs to be flashier, more social
Grown2Hate
Dec 2016
#7
My idea may be a bit stupid, but in this day and age, might be the only hope...
rwsanders
Dec 2016
#13
It doesn't matter how qualified a candidate is when they're shrouded in controversy
PatsFan87
Dec 2016
#28
Have you seen this list of all of her events in PA, WI, etc., during that time period?
spooky3
Dec 2016
#65
Not only that, CNN and MSNBC had trump on tv 24 effing 7. Those two networks got trump elected,
akbacchus_BC
Dec 2016
#27
that too, absolutely; the first one always has to be shot down, but never forget, she actually WON
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#56
Blue collar workers in the Rust Belt know Pres Clinton signed NAFTA and PNTR with China
Dems to Win
Dec 2016
#37
Yes but those people at the water cooler or break room do listen to Political Junkies
Ligyron
Dec 2016
#49
I thought I had seen that Washington State (and I think Oregon) had mail-in
BumRushDaShow
Dec 2016
#92
The key states were so close that "political junkies" may well have made the difference this time.
dawg
Dec 2016
#48
We had a primary candidate who was aggressively pulling in formerly disconnected voters
hellofromreddit
Dec 2016
#73
And yet Hillary still got millions more votes than he did and handily won the GE by over 3 million
JTFrog
Dec 2016
#88