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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: How Clinton lost Michigan and blew the election [View all]BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)164. More of the same "someone else has to do all the work for this idea I had!" claptrap.
The DNC may be flawed, but that's because it's made up of people. People aren't perfect, but most of us try our best, rather than standing on the sides, doing nothing and criticizing anyone else for trying. Whatever alternative organization you come up with (assuming you can stop telling everyone about how you know everything and must always be correct, absent any qualifying evidence, long enough to attract more support outside of your core Purity Circle and form it in the first place) is going to be flawed the same way, and for the same reason.
Because let's be honest: if you were going to do the hard work, you'd be doing it, instead of wasting time tearing down all the other Democrats who are doing the work. But you're not, so....
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There is much evidence of cheating in Michigan...the election results are a mess and yet
Demsrule86
Dec 2016
#200
I would bet many of the same failings from Michigan were replicated in PA and WI. nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2016
#6
Interesting. Have you seen any reports of voters whose name was purged and were unable to vote? nt
jonno99
Dec 2016
#59
One of the sick things behind "cross check" was that in some cases people could vote
Botany
Dec 2016
#66
How would that happen? If I go down to vote, they check that my name is on the registration
jonno99
Dec 2016
#70
If your name was removed from the poll book you would get a provisional ballot ....
Botany
Dec 2016
#90
Your theory is a guess at best, Comey, Voter suppression and Russia are NOT guess's
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#81
How close the election actually was seems to not have been grokked by many posters...
PoliticAverse
Dec 2016
#56
they fell in love with technology and data analysis without recognizing the inherent
geek tragedy
Dec 2016
#36
I'd love to see stats on that, as I know people who knocked on doors and was asked to bus to a swing
bettyellen
Dec 2016
#134
I knocked doors in Iowa. As did many others. I call bullshit on this 'arrogant' article.
emulatorloo
Dec 2016
#167
It could be. Catholics are divided on the question of abortion and contraception.
guillaumeb
Dec 2016
#119
The fact that she lost to Bernie in Michigan should've thrown up a red flag the size of Texas
mtnsnake
Dec 2016
#15
Presidential candidates almost always have their headquarters in their home state - to do otherwise
Midwestern Democrat
Dec 2016
#193
The DNC is always collecting money for something. And when you finally contribute,
Baitball Blogger
Dec 2016
#155
Of course you have a great idea that just needs someone else to pay for it.
BobbyDrake
Dec 2016
#158
More of the same "someone else has to do all the work for this idea I had!" claptrap.
BobbyDrake
Dec 2016
#164
If you want to waste your time with a system that has proven to be inefficient, that is your
Baitball Blogger
Dec 2016
#171
The broken machine this is interesting since I doubt that they were working during the primaries
HoneyBadger
Dec 2016
#83
This. I like the system we use in my precinct. We have a big stiff paper ballot where
jonno99
Dec 2016
#68
yep; there absolutely needs to be all paper ballots, all hand-counted. will never happen
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#183
some of us take winning elections as a very serious task that requires we do everything
geek tragedy
Dec 2016
#27
Honestly, I think Trump is the only reason why we had any chance at all.
Midwestern Democrat
Dec 2016
#194
GIGO - yep. It appears that the biggest problem with "the data" was the BROAD assumption
jonno99
Dec 2016
#71
That's strange as I have friends that did data entry and were easily able to pick up signs and
bettyellen
Dec 2016
#141
it's possible some problems were specific to Michigan or even local offices within Michigan. nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2016
#143
And offices always run out and then replenish materials, have dead hours before super busy ones....
bettyellen
Dec 2016
#149
My neighbor got signs stickers and some handouts. We had scripts from the app too.
bettyellen
Dec 2016
#150
"Hillary Clinton won this election period." - I think you are going to be in for an unpleasant...
PoliticAverse
Dec 2016
#57
That's just silly and rather strawmanish. Clinton had a much more robust ground game than Trump
Persondem
Dec 2016
#202
Well why don't you let me know exactly what part this OP will apply to 2020?
Persondem
Dec 2016
#201
I'm thinking the people obsessing over the roles you speak of are not the same people I think
Lil Missy
Dec 2016
#206
I don't think any of this sort of thing would have mattered if we had a real media
NRaleighLiberal
Dec 2016
#91
Clinton lost the election because of the Comey letter(s). Period. End of story.
SunSeeker
Dec 2016
#105
Wang, to be candid, is looking to CYA after his entire election model was proven to be sh!t
geek tragedy
Dec 2016
#109
If you want to be candid, you have to acknowledge the death blow of the Comey letters.
SunSeeker
Dec 2016
#135
Comey certainly did not help, but when it's so close and there are so many different problems,
geek tragedy
Dec 2016
#146
As I just told someone else, we tend to ignore our mistakes instead of fixing
geek tragedy
Dec 2016
#108
We ignore our mistakes when we win, but we also tend to magnify them when we lose.
dawg
Dec 2016
#115
certainly we shouldn't discount every good thing the Clinton campaign did, or accomplished.
geek tragedy
Dec 2016
#124
in death by a thousand cuts, only the 1000th cut is worthy of prevention going forward nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2016
#112
Per CNN exit polls, only 17% of voters wanted the next president to be more liberal.
SunSeeker
Dec 2016
#156