2016 Postmortem

Fiendish Thingy

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21. You're over simplifying

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 01:21 PM

Dec 2016

Certainly, bigotry and racism played a role, and are a strong component of Trump's voting base, but the hatred for HRC was perhaps as strong a factor, perhaps stronger. That hatred worked both ways, firing up Trump voters, and dis enchanting some progressives, who simply stayed home.

Jobs were still a factor; despite low unemployment, a lot of folks are underemployed, or afraid of losing their jobs (see Pennsylvania coal miners). There were enough low-information Hillary haters in the rust belt who believed Trump would bring better paying manufacturing jobs back to put him over the top.

To ignore income inequality and focus on racism will doom the Democrats to more years of losing elections.

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Please stop saying Trump turnout is because of jobs or economy. [View all] Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 OP

The Michael Moore meme has been debunked. duffyduff Dec 2016 #1

Trump was, quite simply thejoker123 Dec 2016 #23

Not true in my county Kilgore Dec 2016 #2

It is accurate there is a small number of people who are Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #3

Yeah 200 counties full who voted for obama twice and now trump yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #41

Obama didn't run against an overt and openly racist person either, this leaves out that small fact uponit7771 Dec 2016 #45

Let's get real. duffyduff Dec 2016 #7

I meant to be inclusive of those as well. Thanks for pointing them out. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #9

Why action are you suggesting in Syria? oberliner Dec 2016 #14

Obama is still president. former9thward Dec 2016 #37

THANK YOU ! That's what the ........ FACTS.......... show, but fuck facts on DU peoples "opinions" uponit7771 Dec 2016 #46

no, it wasn't about jobs. we've got near-full employment. at most, it was about lies about jobs. unblock Dec 2016 #8

Trump voters believe unemployment increased under Obama. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #52

In a nutshell unblock Dec 2016 #62

and in your part of the country what is the make up of the Senators and Representatives, the still_one Dec 2016 #17

And the anti-TPP fight for the 99% ers lost big time. Was not the TPP either. bettyellen Dec 2016 #25

Many Americans don't know what is in the TPP.. JHan Dec 2016 #35

+1, nah... couldn't be because Comey etc... nah, Russia didn't have SHIT to do with it /sarcasm uponit7771 Dec 2016 #47

So they voted for a billionaire insider and the thejoker123 Dec 2016 #24

they voted for a billionaire trust funder who cheats his employees and certainot Dec 2016 #32

Which is idiocy J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #39

That's why the OP used the word "most"... we all need to pay attention to what is said uponit7771 Dec 2016 #44

Fact: Hillary won w voters concerned about economy. Trump won w voters on immigration, emulatorloo Dec 2016 #69

Exactly. the far loony racist whites came out to vote while more moderate R's stayed home -tired of Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2016 #4

Your 4th paragraph nails it for many of them mtnsnake Dec 2016 #5

I know a few Trump supporters. LisaM Dec 2016 #11

This! They didn't compare the tax plans and assumed Dems would raise theirs and give the $ to brown bettyellen Dec 2016 #27

Most voters support lower taxes for themselves oberliner Dec 2016 #40

There was a lot of that BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #6

To make that vote you had to ignore that he is a racist, sexual assaulter, liar and Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #13

And they did BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #16

And a former member of my church was defending Trump's words as "locker room talk" 47of74 Dec 2016 #31

+1, they continue to rationalize their dick-ishness in their vote for Twitler uponit7771 Dec 2016 #48

Or just gullible. When confronted by things like this, a lot of cons dionysus Dec 2016 #43

Except why in the swing states did every Democrat running for Senate lose against the establishment still_one Dec 2016 #18

... ahem "... were going to ignore this little factoid and beat on Hillary .... " ahem.. cough uponit7771 Dec 2016 #49

If it was about jobs and the economy how the hell did Obama get re-elected doc03 Dec 2016 #10

+1, Obama wasn't running against an overt bigot uponit7771 Dec 2016 #50

True. It was racist and sexist backlash against first black President and potentially CousinIT Dec 2016 #12

And Hillary was gonna let women and children from war torn middle east come to our country Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #15

Can't rec this enough kcr Dec 2016 #19

racism was an essential part of his victory AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #20

I think 95% of the opposition to President Obama was racial. 47of74 Dec 2016 #34

You're over simplifying Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #21

You are absolutely right! True Dough Dec 2016 #29

This progressoid Dec 2016 #33

"a lot of folks are underemployed" this is false on its face the LFPR has been rising for a year and uponit7771 Dec 2016 #51

Tell that to the middle aged professionals, assembly line and tech workers Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #64

Bingo TaterBake Dec 2016 #22

Deplorables jumped at the opportunity to crawl out from their oasis Dec 2016 #26

And even with them crawling out from under rocks, HRC still got millions of more votes Rex Dec 2016 #28

Republicans will lie, cheat , steal elmac Dec 2016 #30

West Virginia's Results: Trump, 68.7%, Clinton, 26.5% mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2016 #36

It's a mistake to assign all Trump voters to bigotry/racism. KPN Dec 2016 #38

More RWTP, the LFPR and U6 rate are at near full employment levels and the "low wage" recovery uponit7771 Dec 2016 #53

Maybe you have to come from a blue collar family TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2016 #60

Thank you TexasMomma KPN Dec 2016 #70

People voted for Trump for a slew of reasons, but the fundamental one is a corrupt corporate media. JCanete Dec 2016 #42

I know IT workers TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2016 #54

In rural Western Colorado the Trump signs did not come out until randr Dec 2016 #55

Here in eastern Iowa I didn't really see too many Agent Orange signs out 47of74 Dec 2016 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #56

Before the midterms crazycatlady Dec 2016 #58

It was racism and xenophobia and sexism treestar Dec 2016 #57

It's not an either/or situation though Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #59

true times 1000 heaven05 Dec 2016 #61

Are you here to Correct the Record? aikoaiko Dec 2016 #65

Or it could be we have a shit load of ignorant racists and bigots Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #71

No, I'm saying the HRC economic message failed to connect with enough voters in the rust belt. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #72

Those who voted for maggot MFM008 Dec 2016 #66

His base... bigots and the "keep gov't out of my medicare" idiots. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #67

It doesn't have to have been all about one thing. Orsino Dec 2016 #68

Both are true BainsBane Dec 2016 #73

Kick Cha Dec 2016 #74