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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: How many think votes were flipped to Trump in all the swing states? [View all]True Dough
(20,381 posts)74. From Newsweek...
There does not appear to be evidence that Russia hacked the results of the 2016 presidential election. That is, there is not evidence that they broke into voting machines and changed the vote counts.
What there is evidence of is that, during the campaign, there were consistent and repeated cyber attacks on various institutions associated with the campaign. At least two states reported intrusions into their voter registration databases. The Democratic National Committee was hacked, and damaging emails were recovered and released to Wikileaks. John Podesta, Clintons campaign manager, had his email account hacked, and damaging information was again released to Wikileaks. And Russian-sponsored actors appear to have been involved in efforts to spread anti-Clinton and pro-Trump propaganda on social media and the internet.
These things, collectively, were an attempt to influence the election, not directly change it.
What there is evidence of is that, during the campaign, there were consistent and repeated cyber attacks on various institutions associated with the campaign. At least two states reported intrusions into their voter registration databases. The Democratic National Committee was hacked, and damaging emails were recovered and released to Wikileaks. John Podesta, Clintons campaign manager, had his email account hacked, and damaging information was again released to Wikileaks. And Russian-sponsored actors appear to have been involved in efforts to spread anti-Clinton and pro-Trump propaganda on social media and the internet.
These things, collectively, were an attempt to influence the election, not directly change it.
http://www.newsweek.com/quora-question-did-russia-hack-2016-election-533995
I could continue to cite credible sources that indicate no hacking of voting machines, but your eyes are obviously closed and your mind is made up.
Of course you haven't supplied one bit of proof that the voting machines were hacked. It just sheer speculation, and it looks bad for those who engage in it.
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How many think votes were flipped to Trump in all the swing states? [View all]
Chasstev365
Dec 2016
OP
Need an end to proprietary software for elections or at least let us look at it
Angry Dragon
Dec 2016
#2
Yes! No reason we should have to prove fraud; onus is on systems to prove transparency
lostnfound
Dec 2016
#11
Can you imagine if banks gave no statements and just said, "You think I stole? Prove it!"
lostnfound
Dec 2016
#12
I believe it was the GOP themselves, a few furtive fuckers like Rove, who paid off
pnwest
Dec 2016
#5
YES!!! The meeting with Turtle McFuckLips was ... ALSO... about protecting the tab machines in some
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#7
Yeah...like they did with 8 year old emails. There is much more proof of Russian meddling
LaydeeBug
Dec 2016
#49
The Pubbies did this, the Russkies just added distraction to keep you looking the other way.
MaeScott
Dec 2016
#52
I'm happy it's mostly LPC members who are claiming it didn't happen... tells a lot
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#62
Ummm, bullshit but nice try... attempt noted too... Obama didn't say those words could care
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#72
Red Herring, I said if Obama and intel commmunity says such I'll change my mind... what you've
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#78
lol... this sounds so similar to cut and run statements made about a year ago no? sigh
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#81
WAPO story claims Obama asked for protection of the machines in states and had proof the Russians
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#61
#1. It might not have been Russians. #2. It's PROVEN the machines are hackable
KittyWampus
Dec 2016
#68
Yeap, ... Obama asked for protection of these machines too according WAPO story
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#65
True it would be in the 60-70's, but that does not mean it could not be child's play for Russia To..
JoeOtterbein
Dec 2016
#30
I don't believe he won fairly, nor all the republican wins. It was a republican coup d'etat!
Equinox Moon
Dec 2016
#31
Obama admin did blow the whistle to a bipartisan group, Turtle McFuckLips didn't want to protect the
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#63
I don't think it made too much of difference in Iowa, North Carolina, or Ohio
inwiththenew
Dec 2016
#36
Ron Baiman's analysis is a worthless piece of shit and should be treated as such
mythology
Dec 2016
#57
There's a few reasons why i don't think so. Theybwouldn't have been able to hide obtaining all the
dionysus
Dec 2016
#47
Yes, but first they made sure more Trump yard signs were planted everywhere
BeyondGeography
Dec 2016
#54
There is no doubt in my mind that the repukes stole votes in the swing states.
libtodeath
Dec 2016
#60
Though I won't absolutely rule it out, I would require objective evidence to support
LanternWaste
Dec 2016
#70
I'm sure there were some errors, but I doubt you could keep large vote tampering secret
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#82
If the GOPers had lost by a few votes they would have said the same thing, or that "illegals" voted.
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#89
But, we don't have to be just like them in this respect. We lost, nothing is going to change that
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#93
really? so you've seen the inside of these machines and know what hardware was installed? yeah, NO!!
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#100
if you look at history of electronic voting, the GOP doesn't need Russian help to do that
yurbud
Dec 2016
#102
I believe many negative factors converged in "election" 2016 all to benefit
AmericanActivist
Dec 2016
#108