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ellisonz

(27,739 posts)
48. That's a 42.5% ban rate.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 11:35 PM
Aug 2013

I'll take that to the bank.

I would also like to point out my favorite part of our well-crafted SOP:

Discuss how to enact progressive gun control reform in a supportive environment. The group serves as a safe haven in which to mobilize supporters in support of measures reducing gun violence by changing laws, culture and practice at the municipal, state, and federal levels. While there is no single solution to the tragic epidemic of gun violence, members agree that more guns are not the solution to gun violence, and are expected to be supportive of the policies of progressive gun control reform organizations.


I think this is the critical part of the debate. The belief of the NRA-types is that the problem with gun violence is that the problem with society is too many bad people having too many guns and not enough good people not having enough guns everywhere all the time. We reject this viewpoint that encourages the endless and reckless infusion of guns into society. That's not pacifism, that's practicality and an honest view of history. The basic reality is that more and more lethal weapons are present in society, the more and more devastating violence is to occur, and as our SOP aptly describes, this can be posited to be a "tragic epidemic of gun violence." If I have to accept gun ownership as a fundamental right, I want to accept it in the most responsible and safe manner possible, and that means fewer guns as a guiding principal and not more.

This is the future, gun folks. Get used to the new normal for you. CTyankee Jul 2013 #1
Gabby Giffords and her husband billh58 Jul 2013 #2
I will gladly admit I am one who thinks the Second Amendment IS the problem and needs to be CTyankee Aug 2013 #3
absolutely outdated jimmy the one Aug 2013 #4
sadly, we get the "pesky 2nd Amendment" song and dance from gun lovers here, which is why I am CTyankee Aug 2013 #5
I totally agree billh58 Aug 2013 #6
It is really evil when you remember how it used to be. CTyankee Aug 2013 #7
gun hoarding jimmy the one Aug 2013 #8
You and CTYankee have accurate memories as to gun ownership in years past. Paladin Aug 2013 #9
Honestly, I was going through my old photos, growing up in Texas...picture after picture CTyankee Aug 2013 #27
Again, that's how I tend to remember things. Better times. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #55
What is healthier is the mindset and fantasies involving such changes. Paladin Aug 2013 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #59
This user recognizes willful obtuseness when he sees it. Bye-bye. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #61
And yet another one billh58 Aug 2013 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #68
I'm not sure billh58 Aug 2013 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #73
Never mind, it's not worth being contentious Marengo Aug 2013 #74
I agree. n/t billh58 Aug 2013 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #69
I grew up in billh58 Aug 2013 #71
The 2nd needs to be stripped from the constitution mwrguy Aug 2013 #31
Sounds like a good cause for Christmas and Holiday donations BainsBane Aug 2013 #10
Notice how there are NO "reasonable" gun owners here at DU who claim to be in favor of gun safety CTyankee Aug 2013 #11
Actually, a few of them billh58 Aug 2013 #12
Talking about me again huh? tumtum Aug 2013 #13
I also love the way they "reject" the NRA, often saying they were once members but no more. CTyankee Aug 2013 #14
I reject the NRA, tumtum Aug 2013 #15
What is the Liberal Gun Club? CTyankee Aug 2013 #16
Here ya go. tumtum Aug 2013 #17
Its position on universal background checks? CTyankee Aug 2013 #19
In favor of. tumtum Aug 2013 #20
does it have a position on Gabby Giffords efforts for gun safety regulation? CTyankee Aug 2013 #25
We are favorable to the firearms safety regulations the tumtum Aug 2013 #29
Thank you. That sounds encouraging... CTyankee Aug 2013 #30
The "Liberal" billh58 Aug 2013 #23
Your wrong about the Liberal Gun Club. tumtum Aug 2013 #24
Aw, and just billh58 Aug 2013 #26
See what I mean? billh58 Aug 2013 #18
I'm not stalking, tumtum Aug 2013 #21
And, it seems that billh58 Aug 2013 #22
How can Gun Owners post here? MicaelS Aug 2013 #32
Read the SOP Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #33
I have read it, and I stand by my statement. n/t MicaelS Aug 2013 #34
Didn't see anything about debate in the SOP. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #35
Yes, that is why I don't post here. MicaelS Aug 2013 #37
Well those last 2 sentences were NRA talking points Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #38
Really? Then you're not reading this thread. MicaelS Aug 2013 #39
Modifying is not overturning. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #40
This isn't modifying, tumtum Aug 2013 #41
Then don't post here. ellisonz Aug 2013 #49
There are reasons for the divide. A major reason is the belief I hold and several others here hold, CTyankee Aug 2013 #36
Yes, we WILL always be deeply divided. MicaelS Aug 2013 #46
Wow! billh58 Aug 2013 #54
Nope, not angry, nor looking for a fight. MicaelS Aug 2013 #58
Your post 46 is a lot more convincing. Unfortunately. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #62
Yet you are so billh58 Aug 2013 #63
+1000. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #64
Incorrect. The current count of people blocked is 40. Robb Aug 2013 #42
This is what some of us billh58 Aug 2013 #43
Yeah, but he never posts here. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #44
We did ask for a protected pro-gun group. MicaelS Aug 2013 #45
You don't like this group? DU? Take it up with Skinner. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #47
You asked for a gun porn group. ellisonz Aug 2013 #50
Unreal BainsBane Aug 2013 #56
That's a 42.5% ban rate. ellisonz Aug 2013 #48
I'm a gun owner, and I post here. Paladin Aug 2013 #52
Exactly. They continually pretend they represent all gun owners BainsBane Aug 2013 #65
Gun OWNERS vs. Pro-Gun ACTIVISTS Paladin Aug 2013 #67
It's an important billh58 Aug 2013 #72
I own an "arsenal" that would make you blanch and I'm quite in favor of new laws thx. sir pball Aug 2013 #53
chump change to paranoid gun humpers Skittles Aug 2013 #51
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