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In reply to the discussion: Why mocking belief IS an attack on the person [View all]el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)26. There was a good article at Salon this last weekend about what religion provides
And how many Anti Theists refuse to grapple with it. Here's the article.
The problem is that the New Atheists think of God only in epistemological terms. Consequently, they have nothing to say to those who affirm God for existential reasons. New Atheist writers tend to approach religion from the perspective of science: They argue that a particular religion isnt true or that the empirical claims of religious texts are false. Thats easy to do. The more interesting question is why religions endure in spite of being empirically untrue. There are, of course, millions of fundamentalists for whom God is a literal proposition. Their claims concerning God are empirical and should be treated as such. For many, though, God is an existential impulse, a transcendent idea with no referent in reality. This conception of God is untouched and untouchable by positivist science; asking if God is true in this sense is like asking how much the number 12 weighs its nonsensical.
These sorts of questions pervade literature and philosophy. The existentialist authors, most of whom were atheists, took seriously the problem of meaning and truth. Dostoevsky, for instance, although a Christian, refused to defend Christianity on positivist grounds. He considered God a motive force, not an empirical claim about reality or history. For his part, God was a bridge to self-transcendence, a way of linking the individual to a tradition and a community. The truth of Christ was therefore less important than the living faith made possible by belief in Christ.
Richard Dawkins may find this distinction trivial, but I dont think it is.
Bryant
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Lol. well i find most atheists to be live and let live but there are a few that are rather dogmatic
hrmjustin
May 2015
#9
There was a good article at Salon this last weekend about what religion provides
el_bryanto
May 2015
#26
Agreed! I think some of them realize they hurt people with their mocking and just don't care
hrmjustin
May 2015
#14
I can take a good natured joke or two but I must admit irl i never experience
hrmjustin
May 2015
#16
Well put. Something is missing in their lives so they need to inflict it on us.
hrmjustin
May 2015
#18