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HeartlandProgressive

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125. It is never "whataboutism" to point out hypocrisy

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:40 AM

Sep 2019

Call it what you will: whataboutism, moral equivalence, two-wrongs. There are a thousand names for it, but one idea: my side is not subject to the same moral laws as the other guy. There are excusing factors. The gigantic scale of the other guy’s mistakes make mine irrelevant.

But this is nonsense. “Whataboutism” is a propaganda term. There’s not one law for the goose and one for the gander. Moral rules apply across the board. That’s what makes them rules. Crime is crime. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, wherever it applies.

Rational people understand this, at least on the domestic front. If it’s wrong when Trump does it, it’s wrong when Obama does it. If Trump’s sexual predations are wrong, then Bill Clinton’s predations are wrong. If it’s wrong when Sheldon Adelson uses money to buy an election, then it is wrong when George Soros buys an election.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/08/theres-no-such-thing-as-whataboutism.html

So, again, hypocrisy?

Seems readily apparent in this thread.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Bernie Sanders weighs in on the reason he thinks Kavanaugh should not have been nominated [View all] ehrnst Sep 2019 OP

I believe you did as well ehrnst. Uncle Joe Sep 2019 #1

Still no mention of Kavanaugh being a sexual predator - if you saw those tweets... George II Sep 2019 #8

Might want to check the timestamps ... mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #15

Not here... George II Sep 2019 #19

+1000 HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #9

Thank you for the kick! ehrnst Sep 2019 #62

You're welcome and Uncle Joe Sep 2019 #74

Well then. That TOTALLY validates your rebuttal, doesn't it? ehrnst Sep 2019 #76

+1 betsuni Sep 2019 #83

Bernie Sanders was correct, can't argue with him here. Bluepinky Sep 2019 #2

This was a tweet from yesterday. ehrnst Sep 2019 #17

You know that wheel on the middle of your mouse? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #3

?? ehrnst Sep 2019 #18

You don't understand what the scroll wheel is for? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #20

No problem understanding that. It's the point of why you're talking about the scroll wheel ehrnst Sep 2019 #21

Twitter is a feed. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #23

You're unhappy about the OP. ehrnst Sep 2019 #24

Not so much unhappy as concerned. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #28

Your concern is noted. ehrnst Sep 2019 #30

Sorry. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #31

Neither do I. ehrnst Sep 2019 #32

They know melman Sep 2019 #25

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Considering who I responded to ehrnst Sep 2019 #46

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- --- --- / -.-. .-.. . ...- . .-. ehrnst Sep 2019 #49

Translation. sheshe2 Sep 2019 #57

IKR? ehrnst Sep 2019 #63

Lol! sheshe2 Sep 2019 #69

.... ehrnst Sep 2019 #70

In other words that was a coded personal attack. George II Sep 2019 #72

Yes. ehrnst Sep 2019 #73

Yes it was George. sheshe2 Sep 2019 #78

Excelling at not having the courage to come out and say what one means. ehrnst Sep 2019 #84

Eisegesis Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #88

Somebody is still very unhappy, aren't they? Took to the thesaurus again! ehrnst Sep 2019 #89

On the contrary, I am extremely happy. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #90

Thanks for kicking the thread yet again. Clearly the result of a confident, happy state of mind. ehrnst Sep 2019 #91

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People use screen shots because tweets that get as much push back as that one did.... George II Sep 2019 #40

And it's not like I haven't done this before. ehrnst Sep 2019 #41

Actually, if you look at the very top at the left... ehrnst Sep 2019 #43

Ture, he never should have been nominated because of his opinions siding with the administration question everything Sep 2019 #4

He's taking a beating on twitter as a result of that tweet. The biggest black mark against... George II Sep 2019 #5

At the time he was NOMINATED, all that was known about was ... what Bernie said mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #7

His attacks on women were well known at the time he was nominated and more details... George II Sep 2019 #11

See post 1 to see that Bernie made reference to what you're claiming he left out mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #14

"Siding with corporate power and Wall Street" is exactly why Trump nominates anyone. ehrnst Sep 2019 #26

Meh. sheshe2 Sep 2019 #71

Cheap shot (nt) mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #6

Yep, some posters like the cheap shots, can't reason with 'em. Bluepinky Sep 2019 #13

What case opinions does he mean treestar Sep 2019 #10

As Joe Biden would say, "A noun, a verb, and...." (fill in the blank) George II Sep 2019 #12

Sanders on Kavanaugh melman Sep 2019 #16

Well then... ehrnst Sep 2019 #39

That post is too long BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #68

You made your case with your post. sheshe2 Sep 2019 #80

Did you say that to those who said Sanders ignored the sexual assault? Hold on, I'll scroll & check. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #102

Whataboutery. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #104

I don't think that word means what you think it means. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #105

It means what I think it means. ehrnst Sep 2019 #107

Not what happened, though, Humpty Dumpty. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #111

Not what happened. I was correcting your statement that the word didn't mean what I think it meant. ehrnst Sep 2019 #114

Yeah, but that's not what I was doing. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #116

No, I didn't apply it incorrectly. ehrnst Sep 2019 #118

OK. If that makes you happy. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #119

OK. If that makes you happy. ehrnst Sep 2019 #120

So what was wrong about my recap. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #121

Read my replies. It's all there. ehrnst Sep 2019 #122

Actually I was saying that you reduced yourself to rebutting with whataboutism. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #123

No, you're just wrong about this, and I pointed that out. ehrnst Sep 2019 #124

I don't care whether you do or not. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #127

Apparently you care enough to keep on scolding me ehrnst Sep 2019 #128

You WIN! Cha Sep 2019 #112

LOL bahrbearian Sep 2019 #22

LOL. ehrnst Sep 2019 #36

LOL bahrbearian Sep 2019 #42

Thanks for kicking the OP! ehrnst Sep 2019 #44

LOL George II Sep 2019 #52

Here's Another For You Me. Sep 2019 #58

... ehrnst Sep 2019 #75

This shows the tone-deafness glaringly BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #48

Lol! This! What he cares about is class warfare and "universal" Hortensis Sep 2019 #51

Yes, no mention at all of the fact he sexually assaulted women!!!! redstatebluegirl Sep 2019 #54

Twitter drama's a hell of a drug... TCJ70 Sep 2019 #50

"But whatever you have to do to cast Sanders in a bad light, yeah?" ehrnst Sep 2019 #55

Don't bother Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #59

I was wondering when you would finally join in! ehrnst Sep 2019 #66

This is actually disqualifying. BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #79

Concerning, even. ehrnst Sep 2019 #86

... mcar Sep 2019 #53

Its a tweet. You can't write a whole article guys. Bernie is certainly correct. Joe941 Sep 2019 #56

I think that Bernie has some bridges to build with certain demographics ehrnst Sep 2019 #60

lol BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #61

I have to wonder who he trusts for their political accumen, ehrnst Sep 2019 #64

It's all a Jill Stein monolithic existence BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #65

There are those that don't want advice. ehrnst Sep 2019 #67

We need another alert heading JackInGreen Sep 2019 #77

What could you possibly title your "new alert heading?" ehrnst Sep 2019 #87

That's so Bernie. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #81

I think you left a few things out too. aidbo Sep 2019 #82

That was Uncle Joe's post up top. ehrnst Sep 2019 #85

Well i just wanted to reiterate your wrongness. aidbo Sep 2019 #92

See my responses, along with others, that dispute your claim. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #93

I am making no claim except that you are misleading by omission. aidbo Sep 2019 #94

No, I'm not. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #95

Yes, You did. aidbo Sep 2019 #96

No, I didn't omit anything. ehrnst Sep 2019 #97

Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #98

No. Not at all. ehrnst Sep 2019 #99

"bro"? George II Sep 2019 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author lark Sep 2019 #101

Did you see the responses above? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #103

I saw those and was going to delete it and got distracted. Will do it now. lark Sep 2019 #106

Biden's sister and Campaign Co-Chair is dismissing calls to impeach Kavanaugh. HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #108

Whataboutery? ehrnst Sep 2019 #109

Hypocrisy? HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #110

Here's the definition of Whataboutery: ehrnst Sep 2019 #115

It is never "whataboutism" to point out hypocrisy HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #125

You failed to identify the actual hypocrisy you claim to have shone a light on. ehrnst Sep 2019 #126

"Joe Biden's sister dismisses calls for Justice Kavanaugh's impeachment" HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #130

So what does that have to do with this thread? Who here is even talking about Biden? ehrnst Sep 2019 #131

Hypocrisy and selective outrage confirmed? HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #132

So, whataboutism for divisive political ends is confirmed? ehrnst Sep 2019 #133

why don't you post something positive about your own candidate? HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #135

You've been here barely a month and you're telling longtime members what/how to post? George II Sep 2019 #136

just returning the favor HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #138

Nice pivot there. ehrnst Sep 2019 #137

if you say so... HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #139

You seem to be the expert. ehrnst Sep 2019 #140

you are too modest, you know best HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #141

Just shining a light on a double standard. ehrnst Sep 2019 #142

Be careful, do not let that bright light hurt your eyes. HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #145

That really stung didn't it? ehrnst Sep 2019 #146

Ouch! I was called "new" again. lol HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #147

Like I said, you'll be fine. ehrnst Sep 2019 #148

resorting to name calling? "Being thin skinned won't do you any favors, though." HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #149

Needling: ehrnst Sep 2019 #150

Hypocrisy? ehrnst Sep 2019 #129

I think kavanaugh should be impeached. Cha Sep 2019 #113

Yes, once we have a Dem Senate and POTUS who will nominate Garland. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #117

So? What's your point? George II Sep 2019 #134

I saw this unfold on twitter, and it was not a fair take on what Sanders said Sapient Donkey Sep 2019 #143

This is what his post would like in non-twitter form. Sapient Donkey Sep 2019 #144