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By Dana Houle February 9 at 8:37 AM
Dana Houle has served as a congressional chief of staff and has managed legislative, congressional and statewide campaigns.
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi spoke on the House floor for eight hours Wednesday, giving the longest speech in that chamber in at least a century. She did so to pressure Speaker Paul D. Ryan to permit a vote on protecting the roughly 700,000 undocumented dreamers. Republicans expressed delight that eyes were on the polarizing Pelosi, but her marathon speech served to energize activists while highlighting that House Republicans will not commit to a vote. Despite having little leverage, she scored a tactical success.
Its not just Republicans who discount Pelosis talents. Some Democrats are unsatisfied with her leadership: They accuse her of being unable to deliver on liberal Democrats top priorities, hurting the partys brand and blocking the way for younger members. But Pelosi is one of the most underrated American politicians of the past half-century. Her media and activist critics judge her competence and leadership almost entirely based on her performance in front of a microphone. Pelosi has never tried, as Ryan did, to seduce the press, and what she says in public is occasionally convoluted. Her strength is in what she does away from the microphones.
Growing up in a political family, Pelosi learned to balance competing demands, get people enough of what they needed for them to feel satisfied, to keep track of who crossed you, who helped you, and whom to call on to return favors. And she learned to listen and ensure that people know they are heard. Pelosi draws on this experience while serving both her constituencies: San Franciscans, and the Democratic members of Congress she has led since 2003.
Pelosi is a master vote counter and more than most 20th-century congressional leaders, she has to be. Majorities are narrower, and to pass partisan legislation, or keep a unified opposition, leaders cannot afford to have many members voting against their caucus. When Democrats have been in the minority, she has kept her representatives in check, even as Ryan and his predecessors have had to pull bills from the House floor because they got the whip count wrong.
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(121,850 posts)She's really, really good at her job.
And I can't imagine speaking non-stop for eight hours. I'd have had to pee long before that.
pnwmom
(109,650 posts)and till recently they were calling for her to retire.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)If there were one simple idea I'd like to get across to those right here who've been turned by that, it'd be to take a good look at our enemies, in this case hers, and REALIZE that they believe they have to take us, and her, out in order to win.
Another big one, which applies mostly "at home," is that a big job of the party leadership is to maintain power for the large majority of Democrats against attempts to take over by special interests and fringe factions, including those leaning toward radicalism and extremism. By nature, of course, all those groups do not represent most Democrats.
Antidotes to the Kool-Aid.
WhiteTara
(30,262 posts)I think I would have. She was quite prepared.
Gothmog
(156,277 posts)OregonBlue
(7,963 posts)speaker. I mean not good at actually giving speeches. She hems and haws a lot and stutters and can be hard to listen to, which is unfortunate. When it comes to getting things done those young whipper snappers in Congress don't have a clue about what she knows and how good she is about getting things done but, I sure wish she could give a great speech. She'd be unstoppable.
Anon-C
(3,440 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)murielm99
(31,566 posts)progressives dislike her. I run into them IRL. I posted about that very thing a couple of days ago.
We need to stop the divisiveness and support our leaders. Supporting them is especially important now, if we want our democracy to survive.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)have an unacknowledged issue with women in power, esp. older women.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)When push comes to shove, they're duplicitous on issues impacting the LGBT community as well.
xmas74
(29,804 posts)She's doing what she can in a red state. When she's not in DC she's in Missouri doing town halls, open to the public.
She's not liberal enough for many here but she's as liberal as we can get and still be elected in Missouri. I'll take a person who stays with the party line 85% compared to a Republican who supports us at 12%.
And some "progressives" want to see her removed.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)They just always need some women to hate on.
She's fucking badass.
oasis
(51,845 posts)HenryWallace
(332 posts)Count me in that camp.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/08/politics/budget-deal-anger-daca/index.html]
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Others on the left are glad she's at the helm, selected by her Democratic colleagues. I think they know what they're doing when they select the leader. After all, they know who is most capable, firsthand.
A progressive who gets things done - even if she is an older woman - is a valuable asset.
It's one reason she's such a target, and unfortunately, not just from the Right.
A lot of armchair quarterbacks out there...
And here.
HenryWallace
(332 posts)The loss of 1,000 seats down-ticket and the Party at a century long low!
You may want to hang-in-there, but the rest of us out here in the trenches are getting murdered!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Response to ehrnst (Reply #46)
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You seem very uninformed about gerrymandering, the role of the minority leader, and the definition of Democrat, as defined by Democratic Underground.
Your kneejerk defense of Russia and Stein when they haven't been mentioned is cute.
Enjoy your time here. Pizza delivery is quick.
Cha
(306,135 posts)to hate media and those who sit home, not voting, to teach a lesson. Only thinking of them damn selves.
Not caring about the Planet or the Supreme Court.
Tell it like it is.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But clearly Nancy is to blame when his job isn't being done to everyone's liking, because, well you know...
the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
the official campaign arm of the Democrats in the House of Representatives
the only political committee in the country whose principal mission is to support Democratic House candidates every step of the way to victory
https://dccc.org/about/
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)consider their preferences relevant? Our educational system has faults, but this misunderstanding can't be blamed on your schooling.
Here's the reality whoever you're listening to isn't telling you: Our legislators CHOOSE AMONG THEMSELVES someone to maximize their power based on what THEY know about THEIR colleagues. Nancy's been the choice of a large majority for years now. Someday when someone else is, we'll find out afterwards.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the large center and not let incompetents, special interests, and fringe factions take over. So of course some who don't support the majority wishes of Democrats aren't going to like their choices. That doesn't need explaining.
Unfortunately, this needs explaining: Our enemies like Republicans and Russia, don't like their choices either. Our leaders are too competent for our enemies' good.
So what I'm speaking to is the astonishing notion that's been implanted by these hostile forces that we should somehow be choosing their leaders for our caucuses. We can't, so the clear purpose is to undermine our confidence in the choices of the only ones competent to make them.
Big no to going the way of the trumpsters.
Me.
(35,454 posts)As far as those who don't agree with her, theirs is a self-serving effort and included are Tim Ryan, Kathleen Rice and Crowder who thinks to be the next leader if Nancy isn't around.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Not much of a leap for most, of course. If any.
I'd just like less implacably opposed people to realize that being able to hold the ground for the vast majority of Democrats against attacks from both sides is NOT weakness and lack of principle. Very much to the contrary.
Eliot Rosewater
(32,539 posts)Mainly not understanding that if your choice is a democrat who is Satan, or a republican who is Jesus, you do still have to vote for the democrat.
Why? Math
Thanks for your posts, by the way.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)let others die on their stand for DACA alone.
600 pages leaves several hundreds of other little issues our party had to try to deal with from its minority position.
Shouldn't they be asking why whoever their leader is didn't mention the little matter of funding community medical clinics so rural people would have a place to go when sick? That's a win for us, among others. Rural clinics are funded.
to us.
Hekate
(95,574 posts)HenryWallace
(332 posts)She is an awesome fundraiser, she really knows how to sake the money loose from her rich San Franciscan constituents.
And isn't that really what leadership in today's politics is all about?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.vox.com/2018/2/16/17020776/russian-indictments-robert-mueller
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)They just misspelled her name B-e-n R-a-y L-u-j-a-n, apparently.
https://dccc.org/about/
IronLionZion
(47,308 posts)she got lots of big important liberal initiatives through unprecedented GOP obstruction: ACA, Dodd-Frank, Recovery act, 2 female Supreme Court justices, PAYGO, lobbying reform, increased port security against terrorism, raised federal minimum wage, ended idiotic large subsidies for oil companies, and so much more.
She blocked a GOP initiative to privatize parts of Social Security, and was influential in reducing troops in Iraq.
Without question, Pelosi is the leader of our party. I'd like to see her as speaker again in time to remove Trump and Pence from office. President Pelosi will really make America great again.
murielm99
(31,566 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)straight men think.
You can see right on this thread how "untrustworthy" and "unsatisfactory" that makes her among right wing and many left wing men...
IronLionZion
(47,308 posts)because she doesn't make a big show of it in front of the media like some other politicians
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and she clearly spends some money on having her hair styled....
Eliot Rosewater
(32,539 posts)peggysue2
(11,532 posts)Most effective, skilled vote wrangler in decades and yes, she has no more f*cks to give to those who hoot and holler for her resignation.
One of these days, Pelosi will retire. Maybe then, she'll get her due. Until then, she gets things done and is working every day to ensure a successful House win in 9 short months. Nothing short of a rebirth for the Republic.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)straight or not. Regardless, I certainly do. Well stated, Ehrnst.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,972 posts)Stinky The Clown
(68,481 posts)You figure out if she's one or two.
They are both VERY high on my list of favorites. They both have had flaws and shortcomings, but both got more done for Democrats, in aggregate, than anyone else you can think of. Both were brilliant at keeping their caucuses in line and in counting votes
My biggest beef with Pelosi is not going after Bushco when she had the majority.
My beef with LBJ was Viet Nam.
To be sure, both are colossal "shortcomings" but when balanced against their accomplishments . . . . well, as I said, you have to figure it out for yourself and see if you agree.
For the record, I served when LBJ was my commander in chief and in spite of that hold him still in very high regard.
Demsrule86
(71,036 posts)underrated. He got Medicare and Medicaid...and the civil rights bill through.