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(2,112 posts)Now stop amplifying his lies by repeating what said/tweeted verbatim.
Id like to see/hear something like Trump told 12 lies in the last week about a caravan of people walking across Southern Mexico.
Trump repeatedly exaggerated the number of people, made unsubstantiated claims that Middle Eastern terrorists were included in in the group.
Trump also claimed that he would order the military to stop the invasion. However calling it an invasion is not accurate when talking about unarmed civilians and it isnt clear that the military could be used this way legally, due to the Posse Comitatus Act, that limits using the military for domestic law enforcement.
NewJeffCT
(56,842 posts)would Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell start standing up to him and reject his use of the military?
Pretty sure we all know the answer to that question.
YessirAtsaFact
(2,112 posts)And they dont have to run in primaries to keep their jobs.
Trumps blowing smoke about using the military. They arent likely to follow illegal orders.
NewJeffCT
(56,842 posts)they may know it's illegal, but if Trump uses a Republican diehard general, it may take somebody stepping up to stop them.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)...was a General and he's a Trump enabler an cover guy every day.
Colin Powell who helped lie us into the Iraq war and who lied to the world at the UN----was a 4 start General.
Generals have been all in to fight wars to protect American corporations whenever needed, at least since Viet Nam.
The only reliable honor in the armed forces is in the common soldier, who has no power and is just fodder.
montanacowboy
(6,369 posts)Westmoreland and his sterling reputation in Viet Nam
NoMoreRepugs
(10,707 posts)I truly believe that.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)The UCMJ (the Uniformed Code of Military Justice) governs all actions by those in uniform from the newest E-1 to the longest serving general or admiral. It is our obligation and responsibility to refuse to follow any unlawful order. And that starts defending the Constitution of the United States, not the platform/doctrine/ideology of the GOP.
NoMoreRepugs
(10,707 posts)You defend the COUNTRY and do what is RIGHT. PERIOD.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)From this SEMPER FORTIS Sailor.
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)to remove generals at any point?
llmart
(16,331 posts)Really? How about Colin Powell who went to the UN and did Bush/Cheney's lying for them?
YessirAtsaFact
(2,112 posts)I dont think Trumps going to try using the military this. There will be pushback.
Most of these guys are patriots.
summer_in_TX
(3,354 posts)Cheney and the neocons (and probably Bush) knew Colin Powell would be persuasive if he testified, and they knew he would not lie. So they spent a lot of time and energy pulling "evidence" together to convince him that he was telling the truth then.
There's plenty of evidence he eventually realized he'd been lied to. Not sure he should be held culpable, or only somewhat.
Remember Cheney set up rogue intelligence operatives to go around the CIA and use cherry-picked facts to persuade Americans that Sadaam Hussein was rebuilding WMD and that he was behind 9-11.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)cut" scrolling on MSNBC ...WTH.
They are abetting him to a tee.
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)joy reid was more or less bashing every single potential dem nominee besides Harris.
I've turned off msnbc a LONG time ago.
onetexan
(13,913 posts)which is why after the election they've finally had the gumption to stand up to this Idiot and the chaotic environment he's created.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)that CNN actually sent grovelers to the White House to get pointers on how they could be more like fix, er... FOX.
They helped create this fiasco.
The stench of the turd must have become unbearable. Will wonders never cease? (rhetorical question...)
I appreciate them regaining some modicum of fairness.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Its about time.
uponit7771
(92,119 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)all the Trump lies and crimes -- accumulating them.
Trump gets away with this is by:
1. Never truly facing the Press in a real question and answer session without helicopter noise drowning out the question.
2. Throwing a new ball up in the air to make people forget the one thrown an hour ago.
By scrolling constantly people won't forget.
watoos
(7,142 posts)CNN and MSNBC are no different than Fox in airing right wing talking points. CNN and MSNBC may very well put a progressive slant on the talking points or even refute them, but they are still airing them.
I don't have to watch Fox to see Trump's rallies, CNN and MSNBC show the highlights.
With that said, at times there are cable news hosts who stray from the right wing narratives, Nicole Wallace, Chris Hayes, Rachel, Don Lemon, and yes even Shep Smith at times.
It's going to get worse leading up to the election.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Was trying to evoke sympathy for carivan.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I exercise my Fast Forward Rights. Never watch live. I'm being weaned off my political junkie fixes.
George II
(67,782 posts)..of the day.
Cooper's, Tweety's, Wolf's IQs and you won't hit triple digits.
I like Anderson but he is lost, like the other 2, asking follow up questions.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Definitely not Tweety. Love his knowledge of history. Yet, he doesn't seem to keep up with current events well. Too bad.
Mike Rows His Boat
(389 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Who doesn't bore me except for Lawrence. Rachel's repetitive, drawn out shows are painful. Sure it's me...not enough patience
Mike Rows His Boat
(389 posts)I just dont like the way Tweety cuts off his women guests. Constantly.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Who he deems uninformed. If you are on his show you need to know what you are talking about and spit it out with lightning speed. So few Dems can do that.
Guess we are too thoughtful and look at all angles. I tell ya, Gillum impressed me the other night. Refreshing to see a quick-witted Dem.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)republicans are lying all the time. Need to be busted for their lies.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)No one to call them out. Not like they go on a show where they're drilled.
RussBLib
(9,742 posts)nobody will call him a liar to his face, so why should he change?
Sure, you might lose your job, but I am sure other networks/systems will hire them for their truthtelling.
LudwigPastorius
(11,259 posts)That should have been the crawl under every Trump appearance in 2016.
elleng
(137,251 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)now done weekly. There was a period between August 2017 and February 2018 when he posted his highest disapproval. Since then he has trended that down. Must have been a tipping point. And now posting best numbers. How can that be? Maybe he's savvy enough to know if he piled on the crap more and more that people would eventually believe he is the victim.
LudwigPastorius
(11,259 posts)Trump may have read this, from the mind of a genocidal maniac...or, maybe he's just cut from the same cloth and happened upon the principle himself.
It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
world wide wally
(21,835 posts)niyad
(121,060 posts)elleng
(137,251 posts)sorry to see the pained look on his face.
wryter2000
(47,640 posts)Remember when they refused to use the L word?
Grasswire2
(13,739 posts)dalton99a
(85,176 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(22,046 posts)to begin to make up for all the misinformation they have given the public over the past 18 years.
Nitram
(24,805 posts)Blue Owl
(55,009 posts)n/t
mahina
(19,195 posts)Jesus.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)This is particularly good. No mincing words here....full out calling things for what they are. Bravo, CNN!
IncaRoads
(97 posts)"We'll be there to tie 'er up!"
-James Lahey
John Fante
(3,479 posts)I'm seeing ("Trump approval bump", "crucial house races within margin of error", "key republican: we'll push tax cuts if GOP keeps congress" ) would make Fox proud. I so wish I could change the channel.
calimary
(84,811 posts)Sorry
calimary
(84,811 posts)We need to call it what it is.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I'm on a trip and CNN is my immediate choice every night when I return from sightseeing. At home in Miami I click back and forth but during this trip I never give MSNBC a second thought. CNN methodically defines and destroys Trump every hour.
Similarly, I have to laugh at anyone who condemns NPR. It took me 1900+ miles to drive up here to Boston due to some weaving around. I don't know how I would have made it without NPR. It is great that they are always on the same narrow range on the FM dial...the 88 to 91.5 area. As soon as one NPR station fades I can quickly find the next one. The other day they had a lengthy segment with the New York Times reporters who spent a full year secluded in a separate room working on the Trump financial history. Great segment, better than any version I've heard elsewhere.
BTW, the local Massachusetts debates are terrific. Extremely feisty. I listen to them on local NPR while returning to Cape Cod every evening. That secretary of state debate was fantastic, other than limited to only a half hour. Great name calling from both sides.