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If/When the Senate fails to impeach, would Double Jeopardy clause prohibit indictment? (Original Post) StTimofEdenRoc Aug 2019 OP
No elleng Aug 2019 #1
No. It doesn't even prevent him being impeached again unblock Aug 2019 #2
That would be too perfect! BigmanPigman Aug 2019 #4
Indictment and impeachment are two separate processes. customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #3
Precisely Sherman A1 Aug 2019 #5
Trump's reportedly terrified of indictment and prosecution Hortensis Aug 2019 #9
Nope. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #6
I predict... Mike Nelson Aug 2019 #7
He'll give himself a blanket pardon tirebiter Aug 2019 #8

elleng

(136,833 posts)
1. No
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:49 PM
Aug 2019

Double jeopardy is a procedural defense that prevents an accused person from being tried again on the same (or similar) charges and on the same facts, following a valid acquittal or conviction.

BigmanPigman

(52,357 posts)
4. That would be too perfect!
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 12:42 AM
Aug 2019

I didn't know he (or anyone) could be impeached twice. That would be a cherry on the narcissistic sundae of his entire faux presidency.

customerserviceguy

(25,188 posts)
3. Indictment and impeachment are two separate processes.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 12:19 AM
Aug 2019

But, as a practical matter, it might be difficult to indict when an impeachment fails.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
5. Precisely
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 03:13 AM
Aug 2019

However, as they are two separate processes I do not believe the failure to convict in the Senate would have much affect on a criminal trial.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Trump's reportedly terrified of indictment and prosecution
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 06:07 AM
Aug 2019

if he loses the protection of the presidency (presumably in those moments when he admits the reality of the huge legal threats facing him that interrupt happier delusions of invincibility).

Legally, from what's been explained, a failed impeachment trial -- guaranteed by McConnell & Co -- would be irrelevant. The senate acts as a court but isn't one. The judicial system is entirely separate.

Politically? The evidence produced in the senate -- and a president smirking and bragging after the McConnell protected him -- might lead to majority support among the people for prosecution. Or not. But courts are supposed to be independent of that and usually are.

Btw, with events in mind, he's often spoken of the people rising and protecting him, and he's been increasingly encouraging violence in his base and across the far right, including conspiracy and hate groups. So it seems very possible that he could imagine rescue via a glorious uprising that would free him of all legal threats, and constraints? Politically, I'm thinking that might just backfire among voters, of whom currently less than 40% favor beginning impeachment proceedings.

Mike Nelson

(10,370 posts)
7. I predict...
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 04:09 AM
Aug 2019

Democrats will not promote indictment, following a Trump loss in 2020. Unfortunately, they will say it's time to "move on." I don't agree. Crimes unpunished will repeat. While not likely, if Trump is impeached and convicted, Pence will pardon him for everything - then it's cases closed.


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