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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDemocrats should not delay Amy Coney Barrett's nomination. Let it proceed.
They should attend the hearings and make sure that the public hears her views. Make her answer her writings on everything from the ACA to choice to labor to her hypocrisy on nominating a justice in the last year of the presidency.
Make Sens. Gardner, McSally, Collins, and Tillis defend this selection in their races.
Mossfern
(3,249 posts)Unfortunately it doesn't look like we can stop it, so we need to use it to our advantage.
Nederland
(9,976 posts)...that because we can't stop it we should get it over with before the election so the Republicans can't use as an issue to bring out their base.
Lucky Luciano
(11,486 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,183 posts)TheFarseer
(9,522 posts)Wouldnt make much difference for that I dont think.
Lucky Luciano
(11,486 posts)4-4 depends on how a case is stated, but Ill leave that to the legal eagles.
CurtEastPoint
(19,227 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,688 posts)Make comparisons of Ginsburg's accomplishments in view of what this 40-year old handwife is capable of.
Raven
(14,132 posts)about the cult she belongs to.
Yavin4
(36,613 posts)Air it out. Air it all out.
progressive nobody
(816 posts)Yavin4
(36,613 posts)This isn't AAA ball. This is the majors.
DarthDem
(5,369 posts)Not "about a year ago." A lot has changed since then in terms of what we can see that this administration is willing to do, and this nominee can legitimately be asked about those changes.
And circuit court nominees are not - with good reason - subjected to the same scrutiny as SCOTUS nominees.
icymist
(15,888 posts)These people believe they can do any evil and get away with it by 'being forgiven' from their god and then, instant clean slate.
OnDoutside
(20,672 posts)lame54
(37,206 posts)She has the green light to lie and will use it
OnDoutside
(20,672 posts)DeminPennswoods
(16,347 posts)eternity in you know where.
klook
(12,909 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)She is a Republican, Christian, Trump supporter.
Sorry, I broke the sarcasm meter, again. My bad. Now I have to go throw up.
Horse with no Name
(34,076 posts)TryLogic
(1,908 posts)get the proof.
icymist
(15,888 posts)And the GOP is planning on her vote to win that election. It all kind of like a 'Catch 22' scenario.
notinkansas
(1,113 posts)How could anybody with that background be confirmed without lying? If 45 and Barr can do it without repercussions, that seems to legitimize lies as a means to whatever in repub politicians' eyes.
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Senator Harris is the PERFECT person to take on the Handmaid. We will NOT win this fight, but we (through Kamala and the others supporting her) can score MAJOR points to make November 3 even better than it is right now.
We will be avenged on and after January 2021.
fierywoman
(8,131 posts)WheelWalker
(9,207 posts)MontanaMama
(24,087 posts)Hope thats the case.
WheelWalker
(9,207 posts)that goal. Just the other day I learned that to "lie in state" applies only to a public official and that private citizens, on the other hand, can be said to "lie in honor".
Beartracks
(13,618 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)MontanaMama
(24,087 posts)Im glad Im not the only one..
certainot
(9,090 posts)chriscan64
(1,789 posts)A Justice before the election is what they wanted, the price is hearings before the election. Point out all the hypocrisy, if there is time to get to it all.
Livluvgrow
(379 posts)Best way of looking at it that I have heard. Also, since the repugs like to exercise power so often and so hypocritically the dems should repay in kind.
Article III of the Constitution establishes the federal judiciary. Article III, Section I states that "The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish." Although the Constitution establishes the Supreme Court, it permits Congress to decide how to organize it. Congress first exercised this power in the Judiciary Act of 1789. This Act created a Supreme Court with six justices. It also established the lower federal court system.
Yavin4
(36,613 posts)well, we have no choice but to expand the courts. The election has given us a mandate to do so.
Captain Zero
(7,577 posts)That are loaded with Republicans by McConnell.
lastlib
(24,987 posts)...with jurisdiction over ALL appeals from lower courts. And it can strip SCOTUS of all appellate jurisdiction.
Result? Supreme Court gets only cases where it has constitutional original jurisdiction, and we get a court, packed with good young progressive judges, that makes all the decisions of consequence to us. Clarence PubicHair gets his nap-time, and Beer-Boy can get hung-over every day.
pecosbob
(7,904 posts)We can take care of cleaning out the cesspool later via Senate hearings and impeachment.
BComplex
(9,154 posts)Game. Serve. Match.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)MoonlitKnight
(1,585 posts)Like, will you vow to recuse yourself from any cases involving the presidential election since you have been nominated so close to that election?
And fight it tooth and nail. But the more extreme measures are probably not going to work well pre-election. No unanimous consent, war powers, and other tactics on the table. Impeachment not.
hamsterjill
(15,525 posts)I think she should be asked that basic question based on her freaking submissive doctrine. God, I HATE that shit!
MoonlitKnight
(1,585 posts)But we should be asking questions that set up the possibility of impeachment down the road.
Whether we make it to that road to even begin to journey down it is a different matter.
So, yes we highlight the nuttiness of the nominee and put her in position to lie under oath.
We dont just need a Biden victory at this point. Without the Senate we cant do much. Without state legislatures we will struggle to hold the House for another ten years.
FM123
(10,134 posts)No matter what the topic, repugs want to push their own twisted agenda and perform on camera with soundbites they can use later like they did with fake stories about migrant caravans trying to invade our southern borders....
What our senators can do is to ask a quick 30 second question then pound them facts like the 200,000 covid deaths, Russian bounties on our servicemembers, calling them suckers and losers, taking away healthcare in the middle of the pandemic, defunding social security by 2023 etc etc etc. everything bit of dirty trumpy repug laundry. Use the spotlight to clobber and stop trump from a second term if we can't stop Barrett from being seated on the bench.
Fiendish Thingy
(18,801 posts)Congress must expand SCOTUS to 15 seats, so Biden can appoint 6 young, new RBGs.
There will be blowback, but it will be worth it. Damn the torpedos full steam ahead.
If Schumer isnt up to the challenge, I know Warren is...
Yavin4
(36,613 posts)Barret is a nut case. Put her on front street.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(18,801 posts)former9thward
(33,424 posts)They don't care what people on the internet think.
Fiendish Thingy
(18,801 posts)Sticking with the good ol boys status quo club is not what we need to get the country back on track to recover from this nightmare.
we aren't going to be able to stop this. They have made a decision and will push it through no matter what. They would be happy to have the government shutdown this close to the election, for example.
The best thing we can do here is to make public everything that is wrong with her and the process. Make her very unpopular and let the Republicans wear her and Trumps flags in November.
Yavin4
(36,613 posts)on the court. Colorado and Maine are not Alabama and Mississippi.
FloridaBlues
(4,391 posts)She will be prepped to not answer but to uphold what is law. Even on woman's right to choose, ACA by the end of her hearings you will think she's a moderate when we know full well she is ultra right wing.
Trumps legacy will be the Ultra right Supreme Court for generations.
And these republicans don't care if it cost them their elections.
Yavin4
(36,613 posts)Get her on the record.
Hstch05
(225 posts)There isn't a whole lot to go on. She's been a judge for a few short years. She's clerked, she's taught, and then she got her judgeship. There isn't a lot of there there. There isn't decades of rulings to go through.
The Dems should play up her incredible lack of experience. It will play better than attacks on her religious background.
bdamomma
(66,720 posts)Justice Ginsburg's last request, and picked a conservative judge. These appts should not be lifetime.
Justice Ginsburg is not even in her resting place.
Boogiemack
(1,406 posts)Make it quick and let us get on with our messages on Trump's mishandling of pandemic and seize back the narrative. Let it go.
Yavin4
(36,613 posts)The nation needs to know who she is.
avebury
(11,083 posts)it into an advantage. The last leg of the race becomes all about everything that the Republicans want to take away from the people.
It you vote for the you should have no right to vote.
They put babies into cages.
Trump knew how bad Coronavirus and yet he let your Grandmother, Father, Sister, Child, Doctor, Teacher and so on die. Knowing how bad Coronavirus was he lied on a daily basis to the American people. How many people died due to his negligence?
They want to kill the ACA which includes pre-existing conditions. Coronavirus, which has impacted over 7.0 million people is a pre-existing condition. Who among your family might be denied insurance when the Republicans kill the ACA?
Trump called the military losers and suckers. He trashes Gold Star Families. Told Russia has bounties on the lives of our military - he does nothing.
Russia meddles in our elections. Not only does he do nothing but he accepts their help in 2020.
Trump cites violence on a regular basis.
Trump has turned the top lawyer of the land, the AG, into his personal lawyer.
Trump is under more criminal and civil investigations then any other President.
Trump picture is next to the definition of nepotism in the dictionary. There is no job that he will not give to a member of his family.
Republican Senators refuse to consider a Obama SC nominee months before the 2016 election but have no problem pushing a Trump nominee less than 40 days before an election people are already voting in. Why - needs a SC in his pocket to throw the election to him when he loses. That is why he wants his nominee, not because he/she would have Conservative values.
Women's Rights, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, medical insurance are all on the chopping block because Trump and the Republicans in the Senate do not care about the common people.
Security - Saudi Arabia's MBS claims to have Kushner in his back pocket. What role did Kushner play in the assignation of Kashoggi? What is Trump talking about when he meets with his master, Putin?
What is the hold that Putin has on Trump and so many Republicans? Did Russia buy off McConnell by putting a $200 million plant in Kentucky?
Trump consistently installs people with conflicts of interests in agencies for the purpose of tearing down said agencies. Look at the Post Office for example.
Republicans in the Senate have sat there and done minimal work while the House passed hundreds of bills that gather dust on McConnell's desk.
Republicans passed a massive giveaway to millionaires and billionaires and do virtually nothing to help the masses. They don't care that you can't pay your rent, put food on your table, pay your utility bills, and so on. They act like the pittance they handed out initially would encourage to not work.
Look at so many of the corporations and how they handle bailouts. They use them to buy back stock and pay bonuses instead of dealing with the crisis and preparing for the next one. When the next one comes they have to be bailed out again. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different results.
The message that Democrats need to pound incessantly is - Vote like the lives of you, your family, and future generations depend on it because it does.
If think shows/books like The Handmaid's Tale might never happen here? Are you really sure?
When you hear Trump talking about getting rid of ballots so there won't be a transition there will be a continuation do you really think that we cannot have our version of Mussolini or Hitler in our Country?
.
Democrats need to have one faction putting the fear of God into the American People while Biden and Harris can talk about what the future could be with Democrats taking back the WH and the Senate and picking up more seats in the House. This is a battle for the Soul of this Country.
old guy
(3,296 posts)The hearings will be a farce, same as Kavanaugh's (sp) and she will be on the bench for life. As a matter of fact by being nominated she is already there. Sad, but a fact never the less.
AlexSFCA
(6,275 posts)She already head hearings and was confirmed to federal bench, some dems voted to confirm her too.
DeminPennswoods
(16,347 posts)best police interrogators get confessions. They never come in all fire and brimstone, they start friendly and get the suspect to feel comfortable, then they slowly bore in until the suspect reveals the truth.
OhioTim
(306 posts)Be polite and professional. It's a done deal. No reason to jack up Trump supporters more than they are. More important things to do, like hammering Trump every day about his handling of the pandemic. Keep on track.
mucifer
(24,931 posts)PAMod
(937 posts)Itll be a rubber stamp anyway.
Buckeyeblue
(5,720 posts)I still like the number 21...Especially given that the country is 10 times bigger than it was in 1869 when we settled on 9 justices. I know the argument is that the Republicans will undo or further expand when they get the chance. To that I say, so what. Let them try.
I think the argument for 21 is that a couple of extremist can't push their agenda. And with 21 justices, we can attempt to get a gender and racial balance that represents the country.
And federal appeals courts should be expanded. The goal should be to speed up access to the courts. In too many instances, the process to go through the courts takes years.
shanti
(21,720 posts)Because if he can, he will.
sprinkleeninow
(20,593 posts)SKKY
(12,295 posts)...Trump is playing to the suburban women with this selection. Her views of Roe and the ACA will undoubtedly give them pause.
Captain Zero
(7,577 posts)His Catholic vote, which is sliding. They are playing up her Notre Dame connections to see if they can entice back some of the Catholic vote that is deserting him.
calguy
(5,783 posts)That pick is said to have boosted his support among Cubans and Latinos in Florida. So either he thinks Florida is in the bag or he thinks it's already slipped away. Hard to say from my point of view.
Takket
(22,659 posts)a lot of grandstanding and "talking at her" is just going to feed both-sides-er-ism. let her hang herself with her words and if we respect the process but also show how unqualified she is, we have that much more mandate to expand the court in 2021
Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)Just make sure to ask her questions that refer to how extreme she is
LymphocyteLover
(6,978 posts)this has got to help mobilize us
bucolic_frolic
(47,588 posts)and trying to tweak black voters with Juneteenth Day. I think these are minor tweaks, he might get 4% more turnout from his base, and 2% from AA voters. But Biden's campaign would be wise to monitor what's going on and keep shoring up our base, and any voting block they can manage. Fortunately voting's already started so fewer to change their minds, and this is a very polarized electorate where most people have made up their minds; undecideds are running 4-5-7-8%. Trump has not a lot of room to maneuver there. But cheating will happen! So beware!
iluvtennis
(20,948 posts)let voters know that the ACA and Row vs Wade will be in jeopardy with the Barrett appointment, so voted blue up and and down the ballot cause our future well being depends on it.
MiniMe
(21,831 posts)Telling you so you know where it came from.
Amy Coney Barrett belongs to People of Praise, a Christian sect that believes a woman is subserviant to her husband and should obey him in all things.
If this is true, they should be interviewing her husband.
MiniMe
(21,831 posts)Democracy Now with Amy Goodwin had this story, I think Amy Goodwin is her name
speaknow
(321 posts)take the Senate and the WH they can pass
a new Roe v Wade they can pass a new ACA.
That Pro Life POS and his Pro life boot lickers
have already killed over 200 thousand and still
counting, so we have to vote them out, all of them.
Then it doesn't matter who they choose for theSCOTUS.
We can make new laws.
pansypoo53219
(21,789 posts)pressure on mitch et all. STOP PLAYING DEAD! FIGHT!
Yavin4
(36,613 posts)We can do something about it if we win this election and take back the congress and the presidency. That's where our focus should be.
TryLogic
(1,908 posts)and I think we do have to choose. Them putting her on the court (after some very revealing questions) softens the radical rights' need to vote for Trump and the senate. It seems to me that although the court can be pretty far off, there surely is a limit because we have a constitution. And surely some of the justices actually believe in the value and importance of democracy as the basic nature of our nation.
DallasNE
(7,589 posts)Democrats need to take on the gibberish called original intent and strict construction. Neither can ever be established so they are garbage concepts. Example: Citizens United.
But let's examine the 4th Amendment.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized."
Point 1, the meaning of words change over time. What did "papers, and effects" mean back then. Today we use the wording "documents, and belongings" and we don't differentiate between physical and electronic documents. Indeed, we now use electronic signatures. But the courts have ruled that papers means on paper. That means that a hard copy document is protected but the identical electronic document is not. Talk about dancing on a pin head. Now if the original intent is that persons are to be secure from having their privacy violated by the government unless there is a probable cause then that would today cover electronic documents and phone calls over the airwaves but "originalist" deny the clear meaning of the 4th Amendment. Part of this is because they look elsewhere in the Constitution and erode the clear meaning. The same is happening today with the establishment clause where Judges actually believe we are not a secular nation - something that cannot be squared with original intent. Do I need to mention a "well regulated militia". No, the law is no longer what the Constitution says but what 9 justices say it says. It is time to call bullshit bullshit, not cave and be saddled with this garbage for the next 30 years. Ben Franklin would be distraught by what America has become and so should each of us.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,046 posts)OMG. That is ridiculous. I mean, come on, "papers" has a meaning we understand and it isn't just "things made of paper." Obviously, the term "papers" comes from the fact that most documents were printed on paper. But it's idiotic to pretend the 4th was meant to apply only to paper documents.
It would be interesting to see a case where a powerful someone had there privacy violated regarding a document that was printed on some sort of fabric or other non-paper medium.
DallasNE
(7,589 posts)Providing protection to electronic documents and cell phones. When the 4th Amendment was written there was no telephone yet land lines were protected. Cell phones were not according to the Supreme Court, until this law was passed. They said people waived their right to privacy when speaking on the public airwaves.
Warpy
(113,131 posts)Kavanaugh was rammed through with very little vetting and that's what they want to do with this twit.
If Democrats have to play dirty to delay this until January, let them play dirty. They've certainly earned the right.
Yavin4
(36,613 posts)Nothing. Use these hearings to rally support, gain power, and then use that power to rectify the situation.
Warpy
(113,131 posts)all the GOP had to do was threaten a filibuster and a nominee was withdrawn. Democrats need to follow McConnell's playbook of dirty procedural tricks to run out the clock. They need to put holds on, stall, demand paperwork, and pull every one of his rotten tricks until he screams "uncle!" and holds everything while he tries to get the Senate to change their rules to make all his rubbish illegal.
The House needs to start investigating his dirty deals that benefit his wife. Tie him up there.
Exploratory committees into impeaching USSC justices who have failed to recuse themselves even when the conflict of interest was egregious (Thomas with cases brought by his wife's organization, for instance).
Since McConnell won't allow real Senate hearings on this twit, try her in the press, pointing out her unsuitability for the job because of her age and lack of experience, not to mention that she's a Christian doormat who won't wipe her ass without her husband's permission and her rulings would therefore be extremely suspect unless they vet him for the job.
I don't care what they do, they just need to fight this. I don't know if people have noticed, but our country is being stolen out from under us. It's time to fight back. Hard.
ecstatic
(34,515 posts)I'm praying that we get a huge mandate and can add multiple seats to the court next year.
Maraya1969
(23,024 posts)it for him as it says in her religion?
Cha
(305,853 posts)Maggot.
Mike Niendorff
(3,561 posts)Seriously, the process has been corrupted. Everyone sees this. It's time to correct it.
MDN
Yavin4
(36,613 posts)Use it is as context for court expansion.
radius777
(3,814 posts)We need to expose her views and the danger they pose to the lives of the everyday American - while also stressing the the illegitmacy of the process and the damage it causes to the institution itself (it is a lifetime appointment being rammed through a month before an election).
The angle of the questioning needs to be about appealing to moderates and swing voters while also turning out our base. We need the subtext of our attacks to be that this stepford tool is not worthy of sitting in the great RBG's seat ... ie offer a contrast that will help us make our case.
colsohlibgal
(5,276 posts)If we take all 3 branches solidly, as is increasingly probable....we go Nuclear.
Again, add 4 Supremes. Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. Repeal Citizens United. Grant Statehood to Puerto Rico and the District Of Columbia. Go after the Electoral College. Raise the top marginal tax rate back around where it was from FDR to Reagan.
And prosecute the Hell out of Trump, his whole grifter family, and others who deserve it.
A New Deal for the 21st Century.
SallyHemmings
(1,895 posts)OregonBlue
(7,947 posts)to recuse from a case. And many questions about election law. I suspect she know little about it and it will be clear that she should not be judging elections.
LudwigPastorius
(11,072 posts)McConnell, and the rest of the Senate GOPers, have given the country a giant, collective "fuck you".
Sure, they'll have their theocrat on the bench in the end, but they don't get a nice, smooth confirmation. Throw every available monkey wrench into the system. Oppose the Republicans with every procedural trick available, ideally delaying the confirmation until after the election.
The spectacle of a lame duck President, and hopefully, lame duck Senate Majority Leader, ramming through their judicial stooge against the just-expressed wishes of the American voters will leave a rotting stench over the anti-democratic GOP for years.
ancianita
(38,871 posts)best of all possibilities, get her impeached.
Fresh_Start
(11,343 posts)so its the nomination for her husband and not her
Andy Canuck
(290 posts)You, the American people and the Democratic Party should do everything, short of violence, to stop Trump's pick for SCOTUS. Delay, delay, delay. It will be lost generations of women, of LGBTQ friends and loved ones, loss of the environment, loss of healthcare to a new patriarchy more virulent than today, if Trump places another justice. It will be a quasi-theocracy. It isn't just the US you know, it's the world that will shake. Fight this FFS. What are you going to roll over on next?
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,931 posts)she is great at deflecting and not answering, like her Boofing FED brother KAV. She will be hard to pin down on anything. All her soft spoken privilege will play much better then brother Brett on TV. I don't really see Repubs even having hearing just Vet and Vote simple and easy for them.
F'ing Traitors all of them
Initech
(102,511 posts)If they were upset because we made boofing Brett Kavanaugh cry, well, they ain't seen nothing yet!
Alpeduez21
(1,874 posts)Clearly you're willing to give up women's rights. You're willing to give up the separation of church and state. You're willing to let LBGTQs be discriminated against.
FUCK THE REPUKES!!! Don't give them a fucking thing. Fight with everything you've got. Even if you lose the press will broadcast what you want and what you're against because the media loves a fight. Fight, fight, fight. It may not help with this particular issue but keep doing and eventually everything we want will be attained.
It is poor strategy to give repukes anything. That has NEVER worked for us in the end. That only works for repukes. Hell, don't even give them the respect of a decent name. They're filthy lying stinking repukes. Make them earn respect.
58Sunliner
(5,003 posts)TruckFump
(5,815 posts)...makes me all the more anti-organized religion.
COL Mustard
(6,984 posts)Put the vulnerable Republics on the hot seat. And don't forget Linseed Graham while you're at it.
markpkessinger
(8,587 posts). . . Look, every Republican nominee since Robert Bork has been carefully coached on how to avoid providing straightforward answers to difficult questions about their views. And they've been quite successful in those refusals. What makes you think it will be any different this time?
And sure, allowing her to confirmed might provide a basis to attack Gardner, McSally,Collins and Tillis. But here's the thing, if she is seated on the Court -- EVEN IF BIDEN WINS THE ELECTION -- all of the things people are worried about will still be at stake. Republicans aren't going to stop challenging the ACA, for example, nor will they stop bringing abortion rights cases to the court, if they think the Court is likely to rule in their favor. So abortion rights, the ACA, and God knows what else will all be at stake if this woman is seated on the court.
Think it through, folks!
Yavin4
(36,613 posts)There's no way to stop her from being on the court. None.
The solution is to set up the pretext for expanding the court once the Dems get the power to do so. That's the ONLY way forward.
Engaging in delay tactics won't work and makes the Dems look desperate and weak.