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Yavin4

(36,613 posts)
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:23 PM Sep 2020

Democrats should not delay Amy Coney Barrett's nomination. Let it proceed.

They should attend the hearings and make sure that the public hears her views. Make her answer her writings on everything from the ACA to choice to labor to her hypocrisy on nominating a justice in the last year of the presidency.

Make Sens. Gardner, McSally, Collins, and Tillis defend this selection in their races.

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Democrats should not delay Amy Coney Barrett's nomination. Let it proceed. (Original Post) Yavin4 Sep 2020 OP
Agreed Mossfern Sep 2020 #1
I would also argue... Nederland Sep 2020 #45
She could be a deciding vote for the election if it goes to SCOTUS. Lucky Luciano Sep 2020 #50
Make that "will" be a deciding vote.... Jakes Progress Sep 2020 #77
Don't they already have a 5-3 advantage? TheFarseer Sep 2020 #89
Not clear. Roberts can sometimes not be crazy. Lucky Luciano Sep 2020 #93
Excellent points. I agree. Face it head on. CurtEastPoint Sep 2020 #2
Yes. Use the time to show what exactly the Rs think can fill RBGs shoes. forgotmylogin Sep 2020 #79
I agree. I think they should be extremely polite to her and let the press dig up the ugly truth Raven Sep 2020 #3
Don't rely on the press. The Dems should dig up the dirt. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #7
But all these view came out about a year ago when she came up for the federal bench. progressive nobody Sep 2020 #4
People dont pay attention to lower court nominees. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #9
It Was Three Years Ago DarthDem Sep 2020 #17
What if she lies? icymist Sep 2020 #5
She won't lie, she'll deflect because she can, knowing the sheep will vote her through anyway. OnDoutside Sep 2020 #15
Kavanaugh lied his ass off and got voted in... lame54 Sep 2020 #85
Exactly. OnDoutside Sep 2020 #91
Then she's going to spend DeminPennswoods Sep 2020 #32
H-E- double hockey sticks! klook Sep 2020 #56
She can't lie. That is silly. warmfeet Sep 2020 #49
If she lies we will impeach her. N/t Horse with no Name Sep 2020 #87
Lying under oath would make her the second impeachable justice, if dems are in control and they TryLogic Sep 2020 #94
We have to win the election first. icymist Sep 2020 #95
What if? notinkansas Sep 2020 #104
And let Kamala Harris shine in the process DonaldsRump Sep 2020 #6
Let other Dem senators give their time to Kamala to eviscerate her. fierywoman Sep 2020 #31
We will not win the battle, but theirs will be a Pyrrhic victory. WheelWalker Sep 2020 #54
I had to go look that up. MontanaMama Sep 2020 #78
I strive to learn something new every day I'm alive. DU helps enormously in achieving WheelWalker Sep 2020 #81
Thanks, I did not know that! Beartracks Sep 2020 #106
i learn tons everyday. the next day i forget where i put it. certainot Sep 2020 #107
Yes! MontanaMama Sep 2020 #111
glad i'm not the only one too certainot Sep 2020 #112
You take what the defense gives you. chriscan64 Sep 2020 #8
Excellent Point Livluvgrow Sep 2020 #10
Exactly. Once the Republicans push her through... Yavin4 Sep 2020 #11
If a Dem Congress wanted it could close lower courts Captain Zero Sep 2020 #44
Or it can establish new courts--like a National Court of Appeals..... lastlib Sep 2020 #61
Get her on the record perjuring herself like Kavanaugh did pecosbob Sep 2020 #12
THIS!!! This is what I've been waiting for. Catch this woman lying, and we'll impeach both of them. BComplex Sep 2020 #73
democrats have no way delay, bottom line all attempts will end with same outcome beachbumbob Sep 2020 #13
Tough questions MoonlitKnight Sep 2020 #14
And "do you believe men and women are equal"? hamsterjill Sep 2020 #62
Sure MoonlitKnight Sep 2020 #64
If it happens before election day, fight dirty like the repugs do. FM123 Sep 2020 #16
Yup- this guarantees we take the Senate- then we must push to expand SCOTUS Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #18
I was afraid that it would be Logoa. That would have been a better political move. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #20
It goes to Durbin after Schumer. former9thward Sep 2020 #27
To hell with seniority- we need the best nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #43
Senators respect seniority. former9thward Sep 2020 #58
America deserves the best person for the job - to hell with seniority Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #65
Yes BGBD Sep 2020 #19
Make Collins and Gardner explain to their constituents why they're putting an extremist Yavin4 Sep 2020 #21
She will not say anything truthful about how she will rule her decisions FloridaBlues Sep 2020 #22
You don't ask her how she will rule. You ask about her opinions and past writings. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #26
The problem is Hstch05 Sep 2020 #92
K&R BlueJac Sep 2020 #23
he's going against bdamomma Sep 2020 #24
I agree. Don't waste time and give the GOP a forum to spew more of their gaslighting. Boogiemack Sep 2020 #25
Not quite. Give her a thorough vetting first. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #28
Take a disadvantage (Trump putting a bat shit crazy conservative) and turn avebury Sep 2020 #29
She is measuring the drapes for her new office as we speak. old guy Sep 2020 #30
she won't comment on any pending or future litigations AlexSFCA Sep 2020 #33
Dems should study how the DeminPennswoods Sep 2020 #34
Let It Go OhioTim Sep 2020 #35
I wouldn't be surprised if there is are no hearings and mcconnell just brings her to a vote mucifer Sep 2020 #36
That's my feeling too. PAMod Sep 2020 #40
If he sets that precedent he'll make it easier for the Democrats to expand the court Buckeyeblue Sep 2020 #71
Can he do that? shanti Sep 2020 #88
Affirmative. eom sprinkleeninow Sep 2020 #37
Yep. That's really their only play at this point... SKKY Sep 2020 #38
I think with this selection he is attempting to shore up Captain Zero Sep 2020 #48
In doing so he passed over Lagoa calguy Sep 2020 #82
i agree. we can be tough but grown up too. Takket Sep 2020 #39
I agree. Let them hang themselves Rice4VP Sep 2020 #41
yeah, agree LymphocyteLover Sep 2020 #42
Trump is motivating Bible Thumpers here bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #46
Agree with you points Yavin4. We also need to have every democrat running on the Nov 3rd ballot iluvtennis Sep 2020 #47
Seen on Facebook MiniMe Sep 2020 #51
Bingo! TryLogic Sep 2020 #97
Have seen it other places than Facebook MiniMe Sep 2020 #103
If the Democratics speaknow Sep 2020 #52
NO FUCKING WAY. the media needs to blue dress this since mitch stole obama's JC pick. pansypoo53219 Sep 2020 #53
There's no way to stop it. We don't have the votes. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #55
I say the senate and the WH are more important than the court - assuming we have to choose, TryLogic Sep 2020 #99
I Don't Believe In Giving Up Without A Fight DallasNE Sep 2020 #57
"But the courts have ruled that papers means on paper." Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2020 #86
Actually, Congress Passed A Law DallasNE Sep 2020 #110
WRONG. Democrats need to fight with everything they've got Warpy Sep 2020 #59
There is nothing that they can do without the votes in the Senate. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #60
Last time we held a slim majority Warpy Sep 2020 #67
I agree. Please proceed. ecstatic Sep 2020 #63
I want them to ask her if she makes a ruling and her husband disagrees with it will she change Maraya1969 Sep 2020 #66
That's assuming she does LIE like a Kavenaugh Cha Sep 2020 #68
And then: 28 USC 1 -- EXPAND. THE. COURT. Mike Niendorff Sep 2020 #69
Exactly. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #74
She's a far-right theocrat and corporatist. radius777 Sep 2020 #70
Make Them Pay Dearly For This Hypocrisy colsohlibgal Sep 2020 #72
Shove her up their collective backsides SallyHemmings Sep 2020 #75
They also need to make her answer over and over about when it is appropriate OregonBlue Sep 2020 #76
Disagree LudwigPastorius Sep 2020 #80
Get in there with her, get her comfortable, get intel that can force her later recusals, or ancianita Sep 2020 #83
Make her explain she is supposed to do as her husband instructs Fresh_Start Sep 2020 #84
WRONG!!! Andy Canuck Sep 2020 #90
I watched some of her 2017 comformation RANDYWILDMAN Sep 2020 #96
Yes, let Kamala do her thing. Initech Sep 2020 #98
What else do you think we should just give to republicans? Alpeduez21 Sep 2020 #100
Defend who??? They have no problem defending a rapist/racist/sociopath. Loser strategy. Fight back. 58Sunliner Sep 2020 #101
Religious cultist on SCOTUS... TruckFump Sep 2020 #102
I Like That Idea COL Mustard Sep 2020 #105
Democrats Can't "Make" the Nominee answer anything . . . markpkessinger Sep 2020 #108
I have thought it through. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #109

Mossfern

(3,249 posts)
1. Agreed
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:25 PM
Sep 2020

Unfortunately it doesn't look like we can stop it, so we need to use it to our advantage.

Nederland

(9,976 posts)
45. I would also argue...
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 07:17 PM
Sep 2020

...that because we can't stop it we should get it over with before the election so the Republicans can't use as an issue to bring out their base.

TheFarseer

(9,522 posts)
89. Don't they already have a 5-3 advantage?
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 02:45 PM
Sep 2020

Wouldn’t make much difference for that I don’t think.

Lucky Luciano

(11,486 posts)
93. Not clear. Roberts can sometimes not be crazy.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:13 PM
Sep 2020

4-4 depends on how a case is stated, but I’ll leave that to the legal eagles.

forgotmylogin

(7,688 posts)
79. Yes. Use the time to show what exactly the Rs think can fill RBGs shoes.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 11:26 AM
Sep 2020

Make comparisons of Ginsburg's accomplishments in view of what this 40-year old handwife is capable of.

Raven

(14,132 posts)
3. I agree. I think they should be extremely polite to her and let the press dig up the ugly truth
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:26 PM
Sep 2020

about the cult she belongs to.

Yavin4

(36,613 posts)
7. Don't rely on the press. The Dems should dig up the dirt.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:28 PM
Sep 2020

Air it out. Air it all out.

Yavin4

(36,613 posts)
9. People dont pay attention to lower court nominees.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:29 PM
Sep 2020

This isn't AAA ball. This is the majors.

DarthDem

(5,369 posts)
17. It Was Three Years Ago
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:42 PM
Sep 2020

Not "about a year ago." A lot has changed since then in terms of what we can see that this administration is willing to do, and this nominee can legitimately be asked about those changes.

And circuit court nominees are not - with good reason - subjected to the same scrutiny as SCOTUS nominees.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
5. What if she lies?
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:28 PM
Sep 2020

These people believe they can do any evil and get away with it by 'being forgiven' from their god and then, instant clean slate.

OnDoutside

(20,672 posts)
15. She won't lie, she'll deflect because she can, knowing the sheep will vote her through anyway.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:36 PM
Sep 2020

lame54

(37,206 posts)
85. Kavanaugh lied his ass off and got voted in...
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 01:41 PM
Sep 2020

She has the green light to lie and will use it

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
49. She can't lie. That is silly.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 07:37 PM
Sep 2020

She is a Republican, Christian, Trump supporter.



Sorry, I broke the sarcasm meter, again. My bad. Now I have to go throw up.

TryLogic

(1,908 posts)
94. Lying under oath would make her the second impeachable justice, if dems are in control and they
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:24 PM
Sep 2020

get the proof.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
95. We have to win the election first.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:35 PM
Sep 2020

And the GOP is planning on her vote to win that election. It all kind of like a 'Catch 22' scenario.

notinkansas

(1,113 posts)
104. What if?
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 04:28 PM
Sep 2020

How could anybody with that background be confirmed without lying? If 45 and Barr can do it without repercussions, that seems to legitimize lies as a means to whatever in repub politicians' eyes.











DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
6. And let Kamala Harris shine in the process
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:28 PM
Sep 2020

Senator Harris is the PERFECT person to take on the Handmaid. We will NOT win this fight, but we (through Kamala and the others supporting her) can score MAJOR points to make November 3 even better than it is right now.

We will be avenged on and after January 2021.

WheelWalker

(9,207 posts)
81. I strive to learn something new every day I'm alive. DU helps enormously in achieving
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 11:34 AM
Sep 2020

that goal. Just the other day I learned that to "lie in state" applies only to a public official and that private citizens, on the other hand, can be said to "lie in honor".

chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
8. You take what the defense gives you.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:29 PM
Sep 2020

A Justice before the election is what they wanted, the price is hearings before the election. Point out all the hypocrisy, if there is time to get to it all.

Livluvgrow

(379 posts)
10. Excellent Point
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:29 PM
Sep 2020

Best way of looking at it that I have heard. Also, since the repugs like to exercise power so often and so hypocritically the dems should repay in kind.

Article III of the Constitution establishes the federal judiciary. Article III, Section I states that "The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish." Although the Constitution establishes the Supreme Court, it permits Congress to decide how to organize it. Congress first exercised this power in the Judiciary Act of 1789. This Act created a Supreme Court with six justices. It also established the lower federal court system.

Yavin4

(36,613 posts)
11. Exactly. Once the Republicans push her through...
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:31 PM
Sep 2020

well, we have no choice but to expand the courts. The election has given us a mandate to do so.

Captain Zero

(7,577 posts)
44. If a Dem Congress wanted it could close lower courts
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 07:17 PM
Sep 2020

That are loaded with Republicans by McConnell.

lastlib

(24,987 posts)
61. Or it can establish new courts--like a National Court of Appeals.....
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 10:58 PM
Sep 2020

...with jurisdiction over ALL appeals from lower courts. And it can strip SCOTUS of all appellate jurisdiction.

Result? Supreme Court gets only cases where it has constitutional original jurisdiction, and we get a court, packed with good young progressive judges, that makes all the decisions of consequence to us. Clarence PubicHair gets his nap-time, and Beer-Boy can get hung-over every day.

pecosbob

(7,904 posts)
12. Get her on the record perjuring herself like Kavanaugh did
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:31 PM
Sep 2020

We can take care of cleaning out the cesspool later via Senate hearings and impeachment.

BComplex

(9,154 posts)
73. THIS!!! This is what I've been waiting for. Catch this woman lying, and we'll impeach both of them.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:30 AM
Sep 2020

Game. Serve. Match.

MoonlitKnight

(1,585 posts)
14. Tough questions
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:33 PM
Sep 2020

Like, “will you vow to recuse yourself from any cases involving the presidential election since you have been nominated so close to that election?”

And fight it tooth and nail. But the more extreme measures are probably not going to work well pre-election. No unanimous consent, war powers, and other tactics on the table. Impeachment not.

hamsterjill

(15,525 posts)
62. And "do you believe men and women are equal"?
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 11:27 PM
Sep 2020

I think she should be asked that basic question based on her freaking submissive doctrine. God, I HATE that shit!

MoonlitKnight

(1,585 posts)
64. Sure
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 12:12 AM
Sep 2020

But we should be asking questions that set up the possibility of impeachment down the road.

Whether we make it to that road to even begin to journey down it is a different matter.

So, yes we highlight the nuttiness of the nominee and put her in position to lie under oath.

We don’t just need a Biden victory at this point. Without the Senate we can’t do much. Without state legislatures we will struggle to hold the House for another ten years.

FM123

(10,134 posts)
16. If it happens before election day, fight dirty like the repugs do.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:37 PM
Sep 2020

No matter what the topic, repugs want to push their own twisted agenda and perform on camera with soundbites they can use later like they did with fake stories about migrant caravans trying to invade our southern borders....

What our senators can do is to ask a quick 30 second question then pound them facts like the 200,000 covid deaths, Russian bounties on our servicemembers, calling them suckers and losers, taking away healthcare in the middle of the pandemic, defunding social security by 2023 etc etc etc. everything bit of dirty trumpy repug laundry. Use the spotlight to clobber and stop trump from a second term if we can't stop Barrett from being seated on the bench.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,801 posts)
18. Yup- this guarantees we take the Senate- then we must push to expand SCOTUS
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:45 PM
Sep 2020

Congress must expand SCOTUS to 15 seats, so Biden can appoint 6 young, new RBG’s.

There will be blowback, but it will be worth it. Damn the torpedos full steam ahead.

If Schumer isn’t up to the challenge, I know Warren is...

Yavin4

(36,613 posts)
20. I was afraid that it would be Logoa. That would have been a better political move.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:48 PM
Sep 2020

Barret is a nut case. Put her on front street.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,801 posts)
65. America deserves the best person for the job - to hell with seniority
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 12:13 AM
Sep 2020

Sticking with the good ol boys status quo club is not what we need to get the country back on track to recover from this nightmare.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
19. Yes
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:48 PM
Sep 2020

we aren't going to be able to stop this. They have made a decision and will push it through no matter what. They would be happy to have the government shutdown this close to the election, for example.

The best thing we can do here is to make public everything that is wrong with her and the process. Make her very unpopular and let the Republicans wear her and Trumps flags in November.

Yavin4

(36,613 posts)
21. Make Collins and Gardner explain to their constituents why they're putting an extremist
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:50 PM
Sep 2020

on the court. Colorado and Maine are not Alabama and Mississippi.

FloridaBlues

(4,391 posts)
22. She will not say anything truthful about how she will rule her decisions
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:52 PM
Sep 2020

She will be prepped to not answer but to uphold what is law. Even on woman's right to choose, ACA by the end of her hearings you will think she's a moderate when we know full well she is ultra right wing.
Trumps legacy will be the Ultra right Supreme Court for generations.
And these republicans don't care if it cost them their elections.

Yavin4

(36,613 posts)
26. You don't ask her how she will rule. You ask about her opinions and past writings.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 06:09 PM
Sep 2020

Get her on the record.

Hstch05

(225 posts)
92. The problem is
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:04 PM
Sep 2020

There isn't a whole lot to go on. She's been a judge for a few short years. She's clerked, she's taught, and then she got her judgeship. There isn't a lot of there there. There isn't decades of rulings to go through.
The Dems should play up her incredible lack of experience. It will play better than attacks on her religious background.

bdamomma

(66,720 posts)
24. he's going against
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 06:00 PM
Sep 2020

Justice Ginsburg's last request, and picked a conservative judge. These appts should not be lifetime.

Justice Ginsburg is not even in her resting place.

 

Boogiemack

(1,406 posts)
25. I agree. Don't waste time and give the GOP a forum to spew more of their gaslighting.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 06:00 PM
Sep 2020

Make it quick and let us get on with our messages on Trump's mishandling of pandemic and seize back the narrative. Let it go.

avebury

(11,083 posts)
29. Take a disadvantage (Trump putting a bat shit crazy conservative) and turn
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 06:16 PM
Sep 2020

it into an advantage. The last leg of the race becomes all about everything that the Republicans want to take away from the people.

It you vote for the you should have no right to vote.

They put babies into cages.

Trump knew how bad Coronavirus and yet he let your Grandmother, Father, Sister, Child, Doctor, Teacher and so on die. Knowing how bad Coronavirus was he lied on a daily basis to the American people. How many people died due to his negligence?

They want to kill the ACA which includes pre-existing conditions. Coronavirus, which has impacted over 7.0 million people is a pre-existing condition. Who among your family might be denied insurance when the Republicans kill the ACA?

Trump called the military losers and suckers. He trashes Gold Star Families. Told Russia has bounties on the lives of our military - he does nothing.

Russia meddles in our elections. Not only does he do nothing but he accepts their help in 2020.

Trump cites violence on a regular basis.

Trump has turned the top lawyer of the land, the AG, into his personal lawyer.

Trump is under more criminal and civil investigations then any other President.

Trump picture is next to the definition of nepotism in the dictionary. There is no job that he will not give to a member of his family.

Republican Senators refuse to consider a Obama SC nominee months before the 2016 election but have no problem pushing a Trump nominee less than 40 days before an election people are already voting in. Why - needs a SC in his pocket to throw the election to him when he loses. That is why he wants his nominee, not because he/she would have Conservative values.

Women's Rights, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, medical insurance are all on the chopping block because Trump and the Republicans in the Senate do not care about the common people.

Security - Saudi Arabia's MBS claims to have Kushner in his back pocket. What role did Kushner play in the assignation of Kashoggi? What is Trump talking about when he meets with his master, Putin?

What is the hold that Putin has on Trump and so many Republicans? Did Russia buy off McConnell by putting a $200 million plant in Kentucky?

Trump consistently installs people with conflicts of interests in agencies for the purpose of tearing down said agencies. Look at the Post Office for example.

Republicans in the Senate have sat there and done minimal work while the House passed hundreds of bills that gather dust on McConnell's desk.

Republicans passed a massive giveaway to millionaires and billionaires and do virtually nothing to help the masses. They don't care that you can't pay your rent, put food on your table, pay your utility bills, and so on. They act like the pittance they handed out initially would encourage to not work.

Look at so many of the corporations and how they handle bailouts. They use them to buy back stock and pay bonuses instead of dealing with the crisis and preparing for the next one. When the next one comes they have to be bailed out again. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different results.

The message that Democrats need to pound incessantly is - Vote like the lives of you, your family, and future generations depend on it because it does.

If think shows/books like The Handmaid's Tale might never happen here? Are you really sure?

When you hear Trump talking about getting rid of ballots so there won't be a transition there will be a continuation do you really think that we cannot have our version of Mussolini or Hitler in our Country?
.

Democrats need to have one faction putting the fear of God into the American People while Biden and Harris can talk about what the future could be with Democrats taking back the WH and the Senate and picking up more seats in the House. This is a battle for the Soul of this Country.

old guy

(3,296 posts)
30. She is measuring the drapes for her new office as we speak.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 06:36 PM
Sep 2020

The hearings will be a farce, same as Kavanaugh's (sp) and she will be on the bench for life. As a matter of fact by being nominated she is already there. Sad, but a fact never the less.

AlexSFCA

(6,275 posts)
33. she won't comment on any pending or future litigations
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 06:47 PM
Sep 2020

She already head hearings and was confirmed to federal bench, some dems voted to confirm her too.

DeminPennswoods

(16,347 posts)
34. Dems should study how the
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 06:51 PM
Sep 2020

best police interrogators get confessions. They never come in all fire and brimstone, they start friendly and get the suspect to feel comfortable, then they slowly bore in until the suspect reveals the truth.

OhioTim

(306 posts)
35. Let It Go
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 06:54 PM
Sep 2020

Be polite and professional. It's a done deal. No reason to jack up Trump supporters more than they are. More important things to do, like hammering Trump every day about his handling of the pandemic. Keep on track.

mucifer

(24,931 posts)
36. I wouldn't be surprised if there is are no hearings and mcconnell just brings her to a vote
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 06:57 PM
Sep 2020

Buckeyeblue

(5,720 posts)
71. If he sets that precedent he'll make it easier for the Democrats to expand the court
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 07:41 AM
Sep 2020

I still like the number 21...Especially given that the country is 10 times bigger than it was in 1869 when we settled on 9 justices. I know the argument is that the Republicans will undo or further expand when they get the chance. To that I say, so what. Let them try.

I think the argument for 21 is that a couple of extremist can't push their agenda. And with 21 justices, we can attempt to get a gender and racial balance that represents the country.

And federal appeals courts should be expanded. The goal should be to speed up access to the courts. In too many instances, the process to go through the courts takes years.

SKKY

(12,295 posts)
38. Yep. That's really their only play at this point...
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 07:07 PM
Sep 2020

...Trump is playing to the suburban women with this selection. Her views of Roe and the ACA will undoubtedly give them pause.

Captain Zero

(7,577 posts)
48. I think with this selection he is attempting to shore up
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 07:32 PM
Sep 2020

His Catholic vote, which is sliding. They are playing up her Notre Dame connections to see if they can entice back some of the Catholic vote that is deserting him.

calguy

(5,783 posts)
82. In doing so he passed over Lagoa
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 12:08 PM
Sep 2020

That pick is said to have boosted his support among Cubans and Latinos in Florida. So either he thinks Florida is in the bag or he thinks it's already slipped away. Hard to say from my point of view.

Takket

(22,659 posts)
39. i agree. we can be tough but grown up too.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 07:08 PM
Sep 2020

a lot of grandstanding and "talking at her" is just going to feed both-sides-er-ism. let her hang herself with her words and if we respect the process but also show how unqualified she is, we have that much more mandate to expand the court in 2021

Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)
41. I agree. Let them hang themselves
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 07:10 PM
Sep 2020

Just make sure to ask her questions that refer to how extreme she is

bucolic_frolic

(47,588 posts)
46. Trump is motivating Bible Thumpers here
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 07:21 PM
Sep 2020

and trying to tweak black voters with Juneteenth Day. I think these are minor tweaks, he might get 4% more turnout from his base, and 2% from AA voters. But Biden's campaign would be wise to monitor what's going on and keep shoring up our base, and any voting block they can manage. Fortunately voting's already started so fewer to change their minds, and this is a very polarized electorate where most people have made up their minds; undecideds are running 4-5-7-8%. Trump has not a lot of room to maneuver there. But cheating will happen! So beware!

iluvtennis

(20,948 posts)
47. Agree with you points Yavin4. We also need to have every democrat running on the Nov 3rd ballot
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 07:31 PM
Sep 2020

let voters know that the ACA and Row vs Wade will be in jeopardy with the Barrett appointment, so voted blue up and and down the ballot cause our future well being depends on it.

MiniMe

(21,831 posts)
51. Seen on Facebook
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 08:13 PM
Sep 2020

Telling you so you know where it came from.

Amy Coney Barrett belongs to People of Praise, a Christian sect that believes a woman is subserviant to her husband and should obey him in all things.


If this is true, they should be interviewing her husband.

MiniMe

(21,831 posts)
103. Have seen it other places than Facebook
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 04:22 PM
Sep 2020

Democracy Now with Amy Goodwin had this story, I think Amy Goodwin is her name

speaknow

(321 posts)
52. If the Democratics
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 08:14 PM
Sep 2020

take the Senate and the WH they can pass
a new Roe v Wade they can pass a new ACA.
That Pro Life POS and his Pro life boot lickers
have already killed over 200 thousand and still
counting, so we have to vote them out, all of them.
Then it doesn't matter who they choose for theSCOTUS.
We can make new laws.

pansypoo53219

(21,789 posts)
53. NO FUCKING WAY. the media needs to blue dress this since mitch stole obama's JC pick.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 08:24 PM
Sep 2020

pressure on mitch et all. STOP PLAYING DEAD! FIGHT!

Yavin4

(36,613 posts)
55. There's no way to stop it. We don't have the votes.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 08:30 PM
Sep 2020

We can do something about it if we win this election and take back the congress and the presidency. That's where our focus should be.

TryLogic

(1,908 posts)
99. I say the senate and the WH are more important than the court - assuming we have to choose,
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:53 PM
Sep 2020

and I think we do have to choose. Them putting her on the court (after some very revealing questions) softens the radical rights' need to vote for Trump and the senate. It seems to me that although the court can be pretty far off, there surely is a limit because we have a constitution. And surely some of the justices actually believe in the value and importance of democracy as the basic nature of our nation.

DallasNE

(7,589 posts)
57. I Don't Believe In Giving Up Without A Fight
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 08:43 PM
Sep 2020

Democrats need to take on the gibberish called original intent and strict construction. Neither can ever be established so they are garbage concepts. Example: Citizens United.

But let's examine the 4th Amendment.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized."

Point 1, the meaning of words change over time. What did "papers, and effects" mean back then. Today we use the wording "documents, and belongings" and we don't differentiate between physical and electronic documents. Indeed, we now use electronic signatures. But the courts have ruled that papers means on paper. That means that a hard copy document is protected but the identical electronic document is not. Talk about dancing on a pin head. Now if the original intent is that persons are to be secure from having their privacy violated by the government unless there is a probable cause then that would today cover electronic documents and phone calls over the airwaves but "originalist" deny the clear meaning of the 4th Amendment. Part of this is because they look elsewhere in the Constitution and erode the clear meaning. The same is happening today with the establishment clause where Judges actually believe we are not a secular nation - something that cannot be squared with original intent. Do I need to mention a "well regulated militia". No, the law is no longer what the Constitution says but what 9 justices say it says. It is time to call bullshit bullshit, not cave and be saddled with this garbage for the next 30 years. Ben Franklin would be distraught by what America has become and so should each of us.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,046 posts)
86. "But the courts have ruled that papers means on paper."
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 02:36 PM
Sep 2020

OMG. That is ridiculous. I mean, come on, "papers" has a meaning we understand and it isn't just "things made of paper." Obviously, the term "papers" comes from the fact that most documents were printed on paper. But it's idiotic to pretend the 4th was meant to apply only to paper documents.

It would be interesting to see a case where a powerful someone had there privacy violated regarding a document that was printed on some sort of fabric or other non-paper medium.

DallasNE

(7,589 posts)
110. Actually, Congress Passed A Law
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:38 PM
Sep 2020

Providing protection to electronic documents and cell phones. When the 4th Amendment was written there was no telephone yet land lines were protected. Cell phones were not according to the Supreme Court, until this law was passed. They said people waived their right to privacy when speaking on the public airwaves.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
59. WRONG. Democrats need to fight with everything they've got
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 10:22 PM
Sep 2020

Kavanaugh was rammed through with very little vetting and that's what they want to do with this twit.

If Democrats have to play dirty to delay this until January, let them play dirty. They've certainly earned the right.

Yavin4

(36,613 posts)
60. There is nothing that they can do without the votes in the Senate.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 10:23 PM
Sep 2020

Nothing. Use these hearings to rally support, gain power, and then use that power to rectify the situation.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
67. Last time we held a slim majority
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 12:27 AM
Sep 2020

all the GOP had to do was threaten a filibuster and a nominee was withdrawn. Democrats need to follow McConnell's playbook of dirty procedural tricks to run out the clock. They need to put holds on, stall, demand paperwork, and pull every one of his rotten tricks until he screams "uncle!" and holds everything while he tries to get the Senate to change their rules to make all his rubbish illegal.

The House needs to start investigating his dirty deals that benefit his wife. Tie him up there.

Exploratory committees into impeaching USSC justices who have failed to recuse themselves even when the conflict of interest was egregious (Thomas with cases brought by his wife's organization, for instance).

Since McConnell won't allow real Senate hearings on this twit, try her in the press, pointing out her unsuitability for the job because of her age and lack of experience, not to mention that she's a Christian doormat who won't wipe her ass without her husband's permission and her rulings would therefore be extremely suspect unless they vet him for the job.

I don't care what they do, they just need to fight this. I don't know if people have noticed, but our country is being stolen out from under us. It's time to fight back. Hard.

ecstatic

(34,515 posts)
63. I agree. Please proceed.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 11:51 PM
Sep 2020

I'm praying that we get a huge mandate and can add multiple seats to the court next year.

Maraya1969

(23,024 posts)
66. I want them to ask her if she makes a ruling and her husband disagrees with it will she change
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 12:14 AM
Sep 2020

it for him as it says in her religion?

Mike Niendorff

(3,561 posts)
69. And then: 28 USC 1 -- EXPAND. THE. COURT.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 04:44 AM
Sep 2020

Seriously, the process has been corrupted. Everyone sees this. It's time to correct it.


MDN

radius777

(3,814 posts)
70. She's a far-right theocrat and corporatist.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 05:37 AM
Sep 2020

We need to expose her views and the danger they pose to the lives of the everyday American - while also stressing the the illegitmacy of the process and the damage it causes to the institution itself (it is a lifetime appointment being rammed through a month before an election).

The angle of the questioning needs to be about appealing to moderates and swing voters while also turning out our base. We need the subtext of our attacks to be that this stepford tool is not worthy of sitting in the great RBG's seat ... ie offer a contrast that will help us make our case.

colsohlibgal

(5,276 posts)
72. Make Them Pay Dearly For This Hypocrisy
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 08:09 AM
Sep 2020

If we take all 3 branches solidly, as is increasingly probable....we go Nuclear.

Again, add 4 Supremes. Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. Repeal Citizen’s United. Grant Statehood to Puerto Rico and the District Of Columbia. Go after the Electoral College. Raise the top marginal tax rate back around where it was from FDR to Reagan.

And prosecute the Hell out of Trump, his whole grifter family, and others who deserve it.

A New Deal for the 21st Century.

OregonBlue

(7,947 posts)
76. They also need to make her answer over and over about when it is appropriate
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:12 AM
Sep 2020

to recuse from a case. And many questions about election law. I suspect she know little about it and it will be clear that she should not be judging elections.

LudwigPastorius

(11,072 posts)
80. Disagree
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 11:30 AM
Sep 2020

McConnell, and the rest of the Senate GOPers, have given the country a giant, collective "fuck you".

Sure, they'll have their theocrat on the bench in the end, but they don't get a nice, smooth confirmation. Throw every available monkey wrench into the system. Oppose the Republicans with every procedural trick available, ideally delaying the confirmation until after the election.

The spectacle of a lame duck President, and hopefully, lame duck Senate Majority Leader, ramming through their judicial stooge against the just-expressed wishes of the American voters will leave a rotting stench over the anti-democratic GOP for years.

ancianita

(38,871 posts)
83. Get in there with her, get her comfortable, get intel that can force her later recusals, or
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 12:40 PM
Sep 2020

best of all possibilities, get her impeached.

Fresh_Start

(11,343 posts)
84. Make her explain she is supposed to do as her husband instructs
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 12:51 PM
Sep 2020

so its the nomination for her husband and not her

Andy Canuck

(290 posts)
90. WRONG!!!
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 02:46 PM
Sep 2020

You, the American people and the Democratic Party should do everything, short of violence, to stop Trump's pick for SCOTUS. Delay, delay, delay. It will be lost generations of women, of LGBTQ friends and loved ones, loss of the environment, loss of healthcare to a new patriarchy more virulent than today, if Trump places another justice. It will be a quasi-theocracy. It isn't just the US you know, it's the world that will shake. Fight this FFS. What are you going to roll over on next?

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,931 posts)
96. I watched some of her 2017 comformation
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:35 PM
Sep 2020

she is great at deflecting and not answering, like her Boofing FED brother KAV. She will be hard to pin down on anything. All her soft spoken privilege will play much better then brother Brett on TV. I don't really see Repubs even having hearing just Vet and Vote simple and easy for them.



F'ing Traitors all of them

Initech

(102,511 posts)
98. Yes, let Kamala do her thing.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:43 PM
Sep 2020

If they were upset because we made boofing Brett Kavanaugh cry, well, they ain't seen nothing yet!

Alpeduez21

(1,874 posts)
100. What else do you think we should just give to republicans?
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:54 PM
Sep 2020

Clearly you're willing to give up women's rights. You're willing to give up the separation of church and state. You're willing to let LBGTQs be discriminated against.

FUCK THE REPUKES!!! Don't give them a fucking thing. Fight with everything you've got. Even if you lose the press will broadcast what you want and what you're against because the media loves a fight. Fight, fight, fight. It may not help with this particular issue but keep doing and eventually everything we want will be attained.

It is poor strategy to give repukes anything. That has NEVER worked for us in the end. That only works for repukes. Hell, don't even give them the respect of a decent name. They're filthy lying stinking repukes. Make them earn respect.

58Sunliner

(5,003 posts)
101. Defend who??? They have no problem defending a rapist/racist/sociopath. Loser strategy. Fight back.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 04:06 PM
Sep 2020

COL Mustard

(6,984 posts)
105. I Like That Idea
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 04:38 PM
Sep 2020

Put the vulnerable Republics on the hot seat. And don't forget Linseed Graham while you're at it.

markpkessinger

(8,587 posts)
108. Democrats Can't "Make" the Nominee answer anything . . .
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 05:10 PM
Sep 2020

. . . Look, every Republican nominee since Robert Bork has been carefully coached on how to avoid providing straightforward answers to difficult questions about their views. And they've been quite successful in those refusals. What makes you think it will be any different this time?

And sure, allowing her to confirmed might provide a basis to attack Gardner, McSally,Collins and Tillis. But here's the thing, if she is seated on the Court -- EVEN IF BIDEN WINS THE ELECTION -- all of the things people are worried about will still be at stake. Republicans aren't going to stop challenging the ACA, for example, nor will they stop bringing abortion rights cases to the court, if they think the Court is likely to rule in their favor. So abortion rights, the ACA, and God knows what else will all be at stake if this woman is seated on the court.

Think it through, folks!

Yavin4

(36,613 posts)
109. I have thought it through.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 05:24 PM
Sep 2020

There's no way to stop her from being on the court. None.

The solution is to set up the pretext for expanding the court once the Dems get the power to do so. That's the ONLY way forward.

Engaging in delay tactics won't work and makes the Dems look desperate and weak.

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