Rec if you think the 25th should be invoked IMMEDIATELY.

[ClusterFreak]

He is one impulsive decision away from the point of no return. I'm not wrong. You know I'm not. He has to go.

Not. One. More. Day.

[SheltieLover]

1. K&R!

[Towlie]

108. Rec #600 is mine! (Who could resist?)

 
?

[SheltieLover]

111. Lol

[sarchasm]

117. He still has the nuclear codes!

Joy Behar just now. "He doesn't have Facebook. He doesn't have Twitter. But he still has the nuclear codes."
25th Amendment NOW!!

[SheltieLover]

118. Right!

You know as well as I do, pence will not use 25th. His/their mission is to destroy the usa, so all is just swell.

[volstork]

2. Like,

4 years ago.

[mwmisses4289]

18. Agree

nt

[underpants]

3. It takes 3 weeks

[Pauldg47]

13. It would keep him preoccupied. If we need to be faster with that we can do it.

[volstork]

19. How does it take 3 weeks?

[underpants]

56. 👋🏻

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214833619

[Klaralven]

48. It's immediate as soon as Pence and the majority of the cabinet send a letter to Pelosi and McConnel

[underpants]

57. 👋🏻

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214833619

[Klaralven]

62. It Trump attempt to resume the Presidency, Pence and Cabinet majority send another letter

Pence then stays acting President until the Congress acts. They have 21 days to act, so they can run out the calendar without ever voting.

[Old Crow]

140. +1. I'm glad to see someone who understands this.

I have been frustrated with posters over the past 24 hours who are seemingly searching for excuses as to why the 25th Amendment cannot be used.

[whopis01]

85. Incorrect

Trump can be removed from power immediately under the 25th amendment.

If the House and Senate don’t vote to make it permanent within 3 weeks then he would be restored to power. But we only need two weeks. Which means this could be handled without any vote from Congress.

[underpants]

101. You are correct. I was wrong. Removal would be immediate

Pending Congresses response.

[Iwasthere]

4. Would impeachment be better?

[Gore1FL]

10. I am for putting both into operation simultaneously and race them. nt

[Rebl2]

14. Yep

Although 25th amendment might be quicker? Not sure. That way he can’t start a war.

[Gore1FL]

16. Both houses are in session now...

They could have it tied up by tomorrow.

[Renew Deal]

33. It's effective as soon as the signatures are delivered to the President Pro Tempore and the Speaker

Grassley and Pelosi. In theory, it could be done at any time. I doubt it happens before this is over.

[quakerboy]

26. Why race?

Im good with both, to completion

[lastlib]

102. AGREE--Both. TODAY!

Yesterday would be better, but today is acceptable.

[Renew Deal]

32. Takes a lot longer.

[whopis01]

86. No. Impeachment without conviction does nothing

Conviction requires a 2/3 vote by the Senate. That is unlikely to happen and in any event would take some time to happen.

The 25th amendment can remove Trump from power immediately without any vote by Congress.

Technically it takes a 2/3 vote by both the House and Senate to make it permanent. However he can be removed from power for up to 21 days in the meantime. Which is long enough to run out the clock.

[groundloop]

110. Yes. And Pence & Cabinet should have done this yesterday.....

Kind of makes me think there are still too many Cabinet member who are too chicken shit to do the right thing.

[whopis01]

123. Yes they should have - and it makes me think the same thing. n/t

[WyLoochka]

149. He should be impeached at the same time

Removed by the 25th Amendment and disqualified from ever holding office again on a simple majority vote by the Senate, under the Articles of Impeachment.

He needs to be disqualified from office so he doesn't ever again even gear up a campaign.

[whopis01]

155. I'm fine with that.

Go for what is quick and what has lasting power.

[Best_man23]

5. Rec'd

[sarchasm]

6. How much more of this can we take?

DO SOMETHING! ...fer cryin' out loud!

[OldBaldy1701E]

96. A quick bit of reality

There is a ton of profit being made from all this. What makes you think the oligarchs will allow anything to be done? They own the cheeto and they own plenty of the rethugs. Until we remove the profit, nothing is going to happen. Once we remove the money from this shiat, watch what happens.

[Chakaconcarne]

7. would it end up in a Trump Pardon?

[twodogsbarking]

93. You said the secret woid

Groucho.

[turtleblossom]

8. Maybe he should be sedated

[LoveMyCali]

9. Chris Hayes

is scaring the crap out of me.

[judesedit]

11. An emergency 25th. No waiting period. Or imprisonment in a room in the WH. No access to media of

any kind. Then impeachment, so cannot run for anyrhing again. Pence is acting President til Biden is sworn in. The Hump can squawk about it for years afterward. Who cares.

[ShazzieB]

28. This, absolutely!

[BigmanPigman]

42. I vote for that. Can I vote twice?

[StClone]

138. Chant "Twenty-five for forty Five"!

Chorus 25 for 45....25 for 45...25 for 45...25 for 45...25 for 45...25 for 45...25 for 45...25 for 45...25 for 45...25 for 45

[BigmanPigman]

153. I like it!

[dhol82]

12. I think we are better off impeaching him immediately.

That hogties him for any pardons he might want to do in the next two weeks and keeps him in the position of president.
Keep the trial going until after January 20.
I rest my case.

[benfranklin1776]

15. Recommended for the survival of We The People and this country.

It must be done. Or impeachment, one or the other, or both.

[MyMission]

17. Immediately after he took office

And throughout these 4 years they could have invoked the 25th.
Last year they could have removed him from office.
He can't leave soon enough.
If this new congress and Senate vote to impeach, they would have to rush it through, but I hope they do that.

[bucolic_frolic]

20. Maybe it's all a manufactured distraction from pending litigation post-Jan 20

It opens an insanity defense that closes off responsibility for the attempted coup.

So Orange gets a lot of mileage out of today's video rant and 25th Amendment discussions.

Because he doesn't accept responsibility for anything, right?

[cab67]

73. He didn't need to pull this shit to make that case.

A good lawyer could have gotten him declared incompetent to stand trial by mid-2017, if not sooner.

And that assumes an impartial jury can be found.

[madinmaryland]

21. RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

[Bobstandard]

22. Now! Nt

[Lock him up.]

23. THIS or how many more blatant CRIMES will they let it commit

without ever holding it accountable???

[bdamomma]

36. This is getting

too much, he's continuing dangerous crimes everyday. This is very volatile. Very volatile.

[AdamGG]

24. It would still take a 2/3 vote of the House/Senate to remove him with the 25th

And I don't believe that's doable, but would definitely like to see it proceed and place pro Trump legislators on the record.

[Liberty Belle]

29. Well 93 Senators just voted against the election challenge, so things have changed.

[AdamGG]

40. Yes, but voting to not overturn the election & voting to remove Trump are different things

I'm not hoping to be right about this, but I'm just saying that I think it would be a tough vote.

Either way, Trump is much more disgraced as a figure in history after today. Lots of people supported Sen. Joseph McCarthy in his time, but things reached a point where he was universally accepted as a negative figure. I think that today helps cement Trump moving into that category.

[whopis01]

87. No it wouldn't. It can be done without Congress voting at all.

He can be immediately removed from power under the 25th amendment.

In order to make it permanent, Congress must vote on as you described.

However, they have 21 days to make it permanent. That is enough time to run out the clock.

[AdamGG]

136. Good point. This would be the best move, so long as Pence didn't pardon him

[Chakaconcarne]

143. There better not be a possibility of a pardon for Trump if this happens...

Pence would love to pardon Trump and win back the Trumpers...

Anything that even remotely enables this possibility should not happen...

[yardwork]

25. Yes.

[bdamomma]

27. he's

our biggest threat. He's still plotting and calling Senators. I wish someone would give him a sedative or something.

[smirkymonkey]

30. K&R

[mvd]

31. K&R

Will take either that or impeachment.

[SunSeeker]

34. K & R

[jimlup]

35. And followed up with impreachment and removal

[myohmy2]

37. impeach...

...and do it quickly...

...he'll never be able to run for president again...

...but do something, we're in danger...

...

[Initech]

38. Can't happen soon enough!

[dchill]

39. K & R.

[Hamlette]

41. it only lasts 4 days

the the president can proclaim himself able to resume duties and he is back in

[whopis01]

89. No. Read the text.

Here are the steps:

1) The VP and cabinet declare the President unfit. The president is immediately removed from power.

2) If the President responds to Congress that his is fit for office, he is immediately restored to power unless the VP and cabinet declare in writing that he is unfit within 4 days.

3) Congress has 21 days to vote on it.


It seems somewhat odd because it requires the VP and cabinet to declare him unfit twice. But I believe this is designed to allow the VP and cabinet to quickly remove him with a simple statement then give him a chance to respond and give the VP and cabinet a chance to make a more detailed argument to be decided by Congress.

Also it makes it possible to happen instantly and permanently if the President doesn’t respond. Like if he was being removed because he was in a coma or some other debilitating condition.

[zaj]

43. Impeach again and force people to pick sides.

It could unite the majority of our nation.

[BobTheSubgenius]

53. I like impeachment, except for the limited time left.

I think that any pro-Drumpf faction could run out the clock pretty easily.

The upside, of course, is that it would be the end of his political life, full stop.

[uponit7771]

95. +1

[leighbythesea2]

44. Invoke 25th

They can seat a judge on SC in record time, but they can't take out a mentally unfit danger to the republic? Isnt nature of 25th designed for theoretically for speed? Like shot in a dual and developed gangrene and delirium?

[badboy67]

45. +1

He has the codes and we know he’s not done yet.

He’s been plotting this since 2016.

He must go.

[Brother Mythos]

46. And, lock him up!

[love_katz]

47. Huge kick and rec.!!!!!

[Lifelong Protester]

49. Lock him up!

Lock him up!

[Dukkha]

50. should have been invoked with COYFEFE

and the thousands of other examples that his mind simply doesn't function like a healthy adult.

[Jetheels]

51. Handcuffs and throw in gitmo already geeeeeez.

[Alex4Martinez]

52. Kickity!

[Texin]

54. I'm totally onboard.

[PatrickforO]

55. Absolutely.

The republic itself is in danger of violent uprising. We need to take care of that ASAP.

[LudwigPastorius]

58. Only if there aren't enough Republican Senators who would vote to convict Trump for abuse of power.

A swift impeachment and conviction is the better solution (if it can be done) because it means Trump is done and can't ever hold office again.

[Handler]

59. Agreed

[onecaliberal]

60. He needs to be removed right fucking now.

[D23MIURG23]

61. Or impeachment. The important thing is that he be shown the door ASAP. n/t

[TryLogic]

63. 25th immediately. Follow with impeachment - immediately.

[lees1975]

64. Yes

He has to go. Either the senate needs to press him to resign in the morning, or the cabinet needs to get him out. We can't afford two more weeks of him.

He needs to be arrested and charged with sedition along with every terrorist who can be identified in all those photos they posed for.

[Old Crow]

65. Adding an emphatic YES to give this post more visibility. (N/T)

[pazzyanne]

66. K&R

[colsohlibgal]

67. ASAP

We can’t wait till the 20th.....Pence needs to finish till Joe. Pence is Holy Roller Nuts but it would be tolerable for 12 or so Day and not as actionable nuts.

[MustLoveBeagles]

68. K&R

This is a no brainer.

[Cozmo]

69. We need to bypass pence and move on to Joe Biden

I shudder to think of pres. pence. I know, I know.

[cab67]

74. It's appealing, but not a realistic option.

No constitutional mechanism that would allow it.

I have no use for Pence, but he would probably have enough sense to just keep his mouth shut and let the transition go forward.

[ailsagirl]

70. YES

[Trueblue Texan]

71. K&R!

[PirateRo]

72. Agree. Should have been invokedmuch earlier.

[Old Crow]

75. Personally, I don't see how anyone can read this post and not recommend it.

I mean, assuming you are on this website because you care about American democracy... this is it, guys. This isn't a dress rehearsal. This is either (A) lift a finger or make a mouse-click to express a desire to protect American government or (B) roll the dice with a delusional sociopath for 14 more days.

Good God, I am stunned by today's events.

[Blue Owl]

76. K&R

[Victory at Yorktown]

77. Yes, immediately, then impeached with the new Congress so he can never hold office

[Codifer]

78. This must be done!

trump has proven that he cannot be trusted. We must not risk further violence in some ungodly worse form.

Toss his ass the fuck out.

[cheezmaka]

79. K&R

[Cha]

80. Well yeah.. Hell Yeah!

[Tommymac]

81. K & R nt

[Wawannabe]

82. And kick

Hell. Fuckin. yes. I. Do!

[mahina]

83. So long ago

But now. Now.

[yuiyoshida]

84. Pence could do it... but he won't

He is too chickenshit!

[DemocraticPatriot]

88. Removing Trump from office via the 25th amendment

would likely be the best thing to happen to the Republican party in a while (not to mention the rest of the country), and it seems that even some of his cabinet are beginning to realize that....

I hope it happens. I would sleep better for the remaining two weeks.

[whopis01]

90. I agree. Hopefully they are smart enough to see that too. n/t

[DLevine]

91. KnR.

It should happen, but it won't, because of Republican cowards and traitors. Jan 20th can't come soon enough.

[Raster]

92. Oh Hell YES!

[MichaelSoE]

94. what astounds me is that at the time of my response

there are 3624 views but only 480 recommends ... well make that 481

[jimmyzvoice]

97. K&R

[LittleGirl]

98. Wow, have never seen 500+ recs. nt

[AirmensMom]

99. I was sort of hoping

to wake up to news that MF45 has already been removed from office via the 25th and taken away in a straight jacket to an "undisclosed" location. I know it's a dream that will never come true. I just don't know how we survive 2 more weeks of this.

[RobertDevereaux]

100. MUST HAPPEN!

[WinstonSmith4740]

103. Lordy...

I need someone to reassure me that the launch codes have been changed and are being kept from him.

[The Mouth]

104. And I will say that Pence, while I disagree with him about everything

still is probably trying to do what he thinks right for the country, so he just may invoke it.

I mean I hated Reagan, and GWB more than even Reagan or Trump,. but all three of those people were trying to do what they honestly thought best for the country, regardless of how fucked up their thought processes and priorities. Trump is truly a sociopath out only for himself. I want to give the benefit of the doubt to the VP. sure, I hate what Pence believes, but there might well be at the core a person who thinks they are doing what is right for the USA. We can hope

[Billytee]

126. Pence do the right thing.....

for the country? So just where has Pence been for the last four years? Oh, that's right.....campaigning for Trump.....help raising money for Trump....turning a blind eye to all the atrocities Trump committed.
What are you smokin' and why aren't you sharing?

[mtnsnake]

105. Absolutely. That or impeachment or both.

[zentrum]

106. KR

[Iggo]

107. Unrec.

[The Wielding Truth]

109. Yes! He is a clear and present danger!

[SlogginThroughIt]

112. I mean of course but that has been everyday for 4 years

[BusyBeingBest]

113. We are in danger--not just because of a madman and his ability to further harm us, but

the lack of immediate consequences will lead to further sedition amongst the zombies.

[Heartstrings]

114. Wish I could rec this 1,000 times!!

[Different Drummer]

115. I am #627. n/t

[ancianita]

116. ONLY if Pence cannot pardon someone declared disabled. Otherwise, we can deal with him.

He's the one who's at the point of no return, not the rest of the democratic republic.
We just proved that.

[OxQQme]

119. Yes

[NHvet]

120. Rec'd

I seem to remember this from along time ago and I hold the same truths today......."to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same".... hopefully others who recited this hold true too.

[dhill926]

121. K & R....

I'm in...

[Gothmog]

122. I support this action

[whopis01]

124. I am rec'ing again because they haven't done it yet. n/t

[Montauk6]

125. Yesterday, actually, let alone immediately...

When he started dog whistling attacks on the Michigan capitol and Gov. Whitmer.

[robertpaulsen]

127. 25th immediately. Then House impeach. Then Senate remove. Then indict. Then convict. Then imprison.

Then let him rot.

And never forget.

[dreamland]

128. ASAP!

[chia]

129. This is the highest-rec'd thread I've seen, wow

I don't know what number, but I'm in there somewhere

[burrowowl]

130. Impeach NOW!

[Old Crow]

131. I'd love to see the rec's reach 1000.

If you are a long-time lurker who's never made an account, and think Trump needs to be removed from office ASAP, please make a DU account now and recommend this thread. Thanks.

[secondwind]

132. Absofuckinglutely!!

[dogknob]

133. I called both of my Rep's numbers this morning inquiring about 25th

Katie Porter: (OC) 949-668-6600 (DC) 202-225-5611

I also called Gavin Newsom: 916-445-2841

[Uncle Joe]

134. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread ClusterFreak.

[PirateRo]

135. Agree

We act far too little and far too late.

He must leave today.

[Happy Hoosier]

137. Of course it should, but....

He is in office for less than 2 weeks from today.

[kirby]

139. Biased?

I imagine the results on this site would be like a Faux News poll asking if Biden is engineering a socialist/communist takeover.

[Dopers_Greed]

141. K&R

Get the Douchebag out of office NOW

[sdfernando]

142. Req'd

Its the fastest way to get him out. At this point I think every second counts!

[ClusterFreak]

144. Hey everybody...

I gotta say I am humbled... 719 recs and counting!

It ain't about me though... I just tapped into the DU zeitgeist I guess lol. If I didn't post this myself, I would've (and have actually) supported others' threads about invoking the 25th.

Now it's up to the politicians... up to Pence and company.... stop talking about it and just do it.

Losing hope but clinging to it at the same time.

Benedict Donald can do a lot more damage in 13 days.

He can't post on Facebook but he's still got the nuclear codes?

God help and God bless us all!!

[Evolve Dammit]

145. K&R. NOW

[ADK]

146. I don't think it's possible to remove him immediately.

The process is set forth in Section 4 of the 25th Amendment:

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

As much as he should be removed, the reality is he will be out of office before the process can be completed. The only way he leaves early is if he gets a quid pro quo from Pence, i.e., pardons for Trump and his family. I’d rather he stay if that is the price. I want him locked up.

[broiles]

147. I want him impeached cause I think that could be faster.

Then charged with sedition. But any way we can get rid of him now and forever is fine with me.

[Daddy J]

148. I second the motion.

K & R! Mother: "Now, goddammit, Michael Richard, you do the right thing and 25th that son-of-a-bitch!"

[smirkymonkey]

150. K&R

[BobTheSubgenius]

151. I'd much prefer impeachment, but the 25th can be virtually instantaneous.

Every second his biometrics are part of the nuclear football is another second we face annihilation.

Honestly, I don't think I'm being melodramatic. I don't think he would just snap in a given moment and launch an instant later, but I'm not sure the runup would come with a lot of warning, either. I don't think of this as a likely scenario, but I am sure not thrilled with living with the possibility for another 2 weeks.

[Vogon_Glory]

152. Donald Trump is mentally unbalanced and is

a threat to the Constitution of the United States of America.He’s every bit as incapacitated in his own way as Woodrow Wilson was in his last few months in office. He should be removed.

[mdbl]

154. four years ago