Rittenhouse Poll, jury decision: guilty or not guilty???

[USALiberal]

44 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Guilty
	20 (45%)
	Not Guilty
	18 (41%)
	Hung Jury
	6 (14%)
	2 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[LakeArenal]

1. Guilty but gets off lightly.

[Goodheart]

2. I'm not clear about the question.

Is he guilty? Yes, of course.
Will he be found guilty? I don't think so.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

4. Agreed

[Takket]

22. Op is asking for the jury decision. So you'd vote not guilty.

[BlackSkimmer]

35. What you said.

Yes.

[Downtown Hound]

3. Clarification: are you asking if we think he's guilty or if he's going to be found guilty?

I think the little psycho is guilty as hell, but I'll be very pleasantly surprised if he doesn't walk.

[CincyDem]

5. I voted what I think will happen...not what I wish would happen.

I listened to a lot of the trial. Aside from the judge being in the defense's pocket for most of the trial, it felt like the prosecution waited for their close to make their most cogent argument...you can't claim self defense when you provoke the situation that might necessitate self defense.

I don't know - feels to me like he went to Kenosha loaded to do a little human hunting and that's exactly what he did. But all we need is one of twelve to be a gun owner who believes that anything ya do with a gun should be legal and above question. I know that's not the opinion of many/most gun owners but enough of them (especially in Wisconsin) that make me feel like the boy's headed home for thanksgiving with a clean slate.

argh. I so desperately want to be wrong about this.

[PTWB]

6. I think he's guilty,

I give the jury about 25% odds of convicting, 25% of acquitting and 50% of failing to reach a verdict.

[Torchlight]

7. My Guess-O-Meter is in the shop today.

Broke a few fidgets on it when I guessed Chauvin would walk free, Brexit would never happen, and Trump would never be President.

[BlackSkimmer]

36. I was sure OJ would be found guilty.

My guess-o-meter fitzed out that day.

Also thought the asshole cops who beat Rodney King to pieces would be found guilty.

I’m no good at this, obviously.

[doc03]

8. I am another that thinks he is guilty but will

get off with at most a slap on the wrist.

[Doodley]

9. He will be found not guilty and then he will be the poster-child of the right and gun-nuts.

[AngryOldDem]

16. This will justify and ignite vigilante justice.

A lot like the Arbery trial.

We are headed into some dark times, on just about every front. He already is a right-wing hero.

[brooklynite]

10. Um, guilty of what?

Which specific charge?

[USALiberal]

12. Use your imagination. nt

[Raine]

11. He will be found not guilty IMO. 🤔 nt

[AngryOldDem]

13. Rather stark wording in that poll

Not guilty on the most serious charges, whatever they now, given the judge appears to be the third defense attorney.

[Boydog]

14. Should definitely be a mistrial

[Boydog]

15. Should definitely be a mistrial for about forty reasons

[Elessar Zappa]

17. I'm gonna say hung jury.

[sarisataka]

18. Question is too vague nt

[left-of-center2012]

19. I am unclear about the question

Do I think he's guilty,
or do I think the jury will find him guilty?

I think he is guilty
but I think the jury will either let him go or will be a hung jury.

[bluecollar2]

21. I agree...

It will be hung.

[bluecollar2]

20. I don't think the little punk intended to kill anyone.

I think he wanted to play Billy badass. He took the gun because he wanted to look the part. He dressed the part, even did the whole backwards ball cap routine. I'm surprised he didn't use the camo facepaint or at least go with black grease under his eyes.

He was in over his head as soon as he showed up.

He deliberately inserted himself into a situation he could not control.

He had opportunity to preemptively kill anyone or to leave.

He chose to stay.

He chose to initiate the situations that resulted in two deaths and one serious injury.

Premeditated murder...no.

Reckless endangerment resulting in death and injury...without any doubt

No reasonable juror would let this punk walk.

My belief is he's guilty of killing two, injuring one.

I'll be surprised if they get all twelve to agree on either side of the case.

I'm guessing it will be a hung jury

[qazplm135]

23. Unfortunately

I think self defense law in WI putting the burden on the prosecution to disprove it BRD is a very high bar with the evidence presented in the trial.

[Firestorm49]

24. For all of those who had to go to "acronym finder", it's Beyond Reasonable Doubt. You're welcome.

[Hoyt]

25. Thought prosecution was very good, although defense gets its shot. Before would have voted acquit.

[Runningdawg]

26. He's as guilty as Zimmerman and will serve the same amount of time.

[TheRealNorth]

30. This

Meaning, he will walk.

[fescuerescue]

27. If found guilty, the appeal will be successful.

The prosecution really, and I mean really blew it when they questioned his right to stay silent in front of the jury.

[Socal31]

28. Leaving emotion out of it.....

The government has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was not self-defense. Nothing the ADA or witnesses presented to the court, would likely meet that standard.

[Meowmee]

29. If I were on the jury I would vote guilty

I think the jury will not convict. Lets see what happens. My summation of what I have seen of this is a bunch of nazis are doing their level best to let another nazi off the hook. Why no one has made a complaint against the judge and tried to have him removed from the case is perplexing. I guess because they have to work with him and they are afraid of the consequences. He is clearly prejudiced in favor of the defendant and he has exhibited numerous instances of unprofessional and out of control behavior.

[Chainfire]

31. What ever the jury decides is good enough for me.

Our system is not perfect, but it is the best thing going.

I have thought that he was guilty of murder from day one, and I believe that he should spend the rest of his life behind bars, (along with his Mother) but what I think doesn't matter.

What is more important than the individual on trial is that we can have incidents like that one occur and there be an open debate as to whether what he did was legal and justified. 20 years ago, the young man would have had no support except his family...

[MustLoveBeagles]

32. Not guilty

Hope I'm wrong.

[Polybius]

33. I'm shocked that the plurality think he'll be found guilty

He won't be.

[BlackSkimmer]

34. I'm not clear on the jury instructions. Hoping guilty at least on some counts.

Gah, this is hard to watch.

[USALiberal]

37. I hope he is locked up!! Nt

[Polybius]

38. Why do people vote in polls how they HOPE the results will turn out?

Just like in Virginia, the writing is on the wall.

[Hav]

39. I was pretty certain that he won't get convicted (except for the gun charge)

but as a layman, I don't know why the defense would accept allowing the lesser charges. It was explained to Rittenhouse that the lesser charges may lower the chance to get convicted for the severe charges but in exchange there's a chance to get convicted for the lesser charges that would still result in some serious prison time.
If the defense were very confident, I'd assume they wouldn't accept the lesser charges. I think they allowed provocation to be considered by the jury which to my understanding attacks the self-defense claim (at least against Rosenbaum).

I'm just confused because I thought the defense was in the driver's seat in this case.

Correction: The provocation that the jury can consider referred to Rittenhouse doing the provocation while the provocation as a factor for the lesser homicide charge would have mattered if Rittenhouse had been provoked. So that was part of my confusion. I removed that part from my post.

[Kaleva]

40. I think there's a chance Rittenhouse will be convicted on one or more of the lesser charges.

[Kaleva]

41. Of all charges? Some? Or of one or more lesser charges?