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Most of you know I rarely swear on the DU. I received some feedback on our DU Ukraine page. I have a salute to the Ukrainians that told the Russians to F off. Should I replace that graphic on our "OFFICIAL" DU page?
Here is the page: https://secure.actblue.com/donate/duforukraine
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Keep it as is | |
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We can do without the F word on a DU OFFICIAL page | |
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mahatmakanejeeves
(63,988 posts)If it means more money, do what the networks do, and hide the word with asterisks.
I'm voting to leave it out, but I have to say that it's a memorable rejoinder. I'm not adamant about my view.
underpants
(189,686 posts)Keep it. It’s one of the only things keeping them going.
True Dough
(22,511 posts)It's an exception to the rule in exceptional circumstances. Let it stand.
MLAA
(19,053 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)And in the past I took a lot of heat for complaining about the amount of cussing on DU.
But in this case I think it is appropriate, so leave it as is IMHO.
Walleye
(39,229 posts)It seems like it’s sort of their battle cry
niyad
(122,982 posts)appropriate.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)Should ask themselves which is more offensive: the word "fuck" or the war itself?
Keep it.
NewHendoLib
(61,059 posts)LakeArenal
(29,941 posts)I would like members to stop using it.
If it’s a quote or a protest sign I’m fine.
By using it so often everywhere, it’s really lost it’s punch.
To me, it’s a bully that shouts that at people. Oooo that hurts….not.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)TheBlackAdder
(29,426 posts).
The shock of the word is actually removed, which removes the writer's power when citing someone.
This is something that one of my African American Studies English professors taught. News articles cite people saying bad words, and those bad words are masked with *** and that causes a slight decoding process to occur and the display of how that word was used is diminished. People are not offended by it. This is similar to the Frank Luntz peer group forums that takes words and finds ways to either make them more palatable or more striking to audiences for the GOP to mainstream.
Racists are the ones who benefit most from this practice as it provides them cover.
He is a staunch believer that if someone says a racist term or hate speech, news agencies must cite those words verbatim to draw the full power of them to the readers. He does not condone casual use of those unfiltered words by anybody else but just by news agencies to call out the offender.
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planetc
(8,475 posts)Omaha Steve
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Omaha Steve
(105,000 posts)A wide majority indicate leave it as is so far.

Omaha Steve
(105,000 posts)I wonder if the Monday crowd will reply on this?
obamanut2012
(28,364 posts)Fucking love it.
Keep it.
muriel_volestrangler
(103,371 posts)I think the graphic is OK. Warning for stronger language still:

Translating swear words is never simple. In this video of a Ukrainian soldier warning and threatening Russian troops, the words blayd (‘slut’ or ‘whore’), pizdetz (‘a messed-up situation’, deriving from pizda, or ‘cunt’), and khuy – three of the four words that form the basis of mat – are all translated as ‘fuck’, while ebat (which really does mean ‘fuck’, and is the root of the word Boris Nemtsov once used to describe Putin’s mental state) is never used. If that matters, it’s because in Russian khuy is stronger, by far, than the word for ‘fuck’. Tell a Russian acquaintance to fuck off, and he’s likely to laugh it off. But even among old friends, khuy and pizda are no laughing matter. (Pizdetz, on the other hand, is rather mild.)
‘Иди наxуй is the worst thing you can say,’ my sister Mariana tells me. She lives in Europe, and my Russian’s OK but hers is still fluent. ‘You can’t say it in jest, unlike pizdets or ebat. You can play with those two words. You can’t play with idi nakhuy. It’s a really aggressive, serious swear word.’
In that sense, ‘go fuck yourself’ isn’t wrong. (Mariana: ‘Pick the worst thing you can say in English.’) ‘Go the fuck, you fucks’ gets us closer, but only a bit. The truth is, there’s nothing in English that goes quite so far. (In Spinal Tap terms, our curses go up to ten, but Russian words go to eleven.) There’s no elegant solution, just as there is no way to convey the historically specific sense of resignation – of weariness and resolve – that I hear in that ‘nu, vsyo’ from Snake Island. As a Soviet-born man with Ukrainian grandparents, it’s something I feel in my bones, but can’t capture in English, even though ‘that’s it, then’ is close on a literal level.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2022/february/idi-haxuj