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867-5309.

(1,189 posts)
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:08 AM May 2022

Turkey may block Finland, Sweden from joining NATO

"President Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday it was not possible for NATO-member Turkey to support plans by Sweden and Finland to join the pact, saying the Nordic countries were "home to many terrorist organisations".

Though Turkey has officially supported enlargement since it joined NATO 70 years ago, its opposition could pose a problem for Sweden and Finland given new members need unanimous agreement..."

https://www.reuters.com/world/erdogan-says-turkey-not-positive-finland-sweden-joining-nato-2022-05-13/

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Turkey may block Finland, Sweden from joining NATO (Original Post) 867-5309. May 2022 OP
Consensus politics are interesting. David__77 May 2022 #1
OK Tayyip Erdogan . . . . . how much ???? no_hypocrisy May 2022 #2
1+ Deb May 2022 #4
ding ding ding! harumph May 2022 #6
He wants our F15s Arazi May 2022 #24
Can he identify these terrorist groups? nt Samrob May 2022 #3
That's what I was thinking. Who are these mad skiing terrorists? Buckeyeblue May 2022 #7
Kurds. Marcuse May 2022 #8
Hmm Faux pas May 2022 #5
Any day. We should tell Turkey that those jets they wanted, they can forget about now JohnSJ May 2022 #9
We Faux pas May 2022 #17
If only NATO didn't need Turkey so badly. Mister Ed May 2022 #10
Yep DetroitLegalBeagle May 2022 #12
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Especially now. They know that obviously. LiberalLovinLug May 2022 #29
Can we now go after the countries that blocked Ukraine's membership? nt ripcord May 2022 #11
Turkey: The Joe Manchin of NATO. Marcuse May 2022 #13
Ha! I like it Fullduplexxx May 2022 #15
White people can't be terrorists. Every white person knows that IronLionZion May 2022 #14
Doesn't a member siding with the hostile power (NATO vs Russia/ex-USSR) negate membership? UTUSN May 2022 #16
The pot calling the kettle black Wicked Blue May 2022 #18
start a nato 2 moonshinegnomie May 2022 #20
That occurred to me also. Trust_Reality May 2022 #21
The EU. roamer65 May 2022 #28
Meh. Just do it anyway. He is of no consequence. BannonsLiver May 2022 #23
K & R keeping eye on N/T w0nderer May 2022 #25
Kick BlueWavePsych May 2022 #26
There is nothing stopping NATO members individually signing defense pacts with them. roamer65 May 2022 #27
I find it difficult to understand WHY in the 21st century Haggis 4 Breakfast May 2022 #30

David__77

(23,892 posts)
1. Consensus politics are interesting.
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:11 AM
May 2022

It’s certainly an opportunity for Turkey or other NATO states to try to get what they want including in non-security realms.

Deb

(3,744 posts)
4. 1+
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:30 AM
May 2022

Could be cheaper to pay everyone else to vote Turkey out. What a disgusting show of poor faith this is.

JohnSJ

(97,074 posts)
9. Any day. We should tell Turkey that those jets they wanted, they can forget about now
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:46 AM
May 2022

Mister Ed

(6,427 posts)
10. If only NATO didn't need Turkey so badly.
Fri May 13, 2022, 09:15 AM
May 2022

Turkey's geographical location has made it a bulwark against Russian expansion all these years, but it's still a very troublesome NATO member.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,246 posts)
12. Yep
Fri May 13, 2022, 09:29 AM
May 2022

There is a greater likelihood of Turkey withdrawing from NATO than NATO kicking Turkey out.

Response to Mister Ed (Reply #10)

Response to Mister Ed (Reply #10)

LiberalLovinLug

(14,389 posts)
29. Especially now. They know that obviously.
Sun May 15, 2022, 02:04 PM
May 2022

Using their geographical position in this war to squeeze out concessions.

IronLionZion

(47,315 posts)
14. White people can't be terrorists. Every white person knows that
Fri May 13, 2022, 10:10 AM
May 2022

the problem is both countries have supported Kurdish political parties and groups in Turkey. Erdogan would like to murder such people without consequence.

Long term I would like to see an independent Kurdistan and we can build a new air base there when we get thrown out of Incirlik. There's no easy solution for access to the Black Sea though.

UTUSN

(73,067 posts)
16. Doesn't a member siding with the hostile power (NATO vs Russia/ex-USSR) negate membership?
Fri May 13, 2022, 11:19 AM
May 2022

The whole raison d'etre for NATO is to combine against Russia (ex-USSR). Seems like a member negating the whole raison d'etre signs it out of the outfit.






Trust_Reality

(1,944 posts)
21. That occurred to me also.
Fri May 13, 2022, 01:14 PM
May 2022

Turkey seems like a really big nuisance, at best. Would we want to go to war to defend Turkey? Not me!

roamer65

(37,272 posts)
28. The EU.
Sun May 15, 2022, 11:26 AM
May 2022

Finland and Sweden are already members.

The EU needs to start taking on a larger military defense role.

roamer65

(37,272 posts)
27. There is nothing stopping NATO members individually signing defense pacts with them.
Sun May 15, 2022, 11:24 AM
May 2022

The UK has already done it.

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,456 posts)
30. I find it difficult to understand WHY in the 21st century
Sun May 15, 2022, 04:33 PM
May 2022

That ONE person can stand in the way of an overwhelming majority.

Erdogan has NO authority over the vote of NATO nations. Give Finland and Sweden their membership. Let him have his temper tantrum, and reveal to the world what his true agenda is for all to see.

I remember his trip to the WH, when he brought with him a number of street thugs who proceeded to beat American citizens protesting Turkish policy nearby. He had NO respect for American citizens, American Laws and the Constitution's First Amendment right to free speech. He is nothing but a thug himself. I am tired of thugs pushing people and countries around.
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