Ketchup must be flying at mara lago tonight

[Beachnutt]

with news of Pence subpoena, what is trump thinking now ?
Oh Shit...

[oldtime dfl_er]

1. Pence subpoenaed??

by Jack Smith?

[Beachnutt]

2. Yes

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/09/us/politics/pence-subpoena-trump.html

[oldtime dfl_er]

4. well that makes me tingle!

will he plead the 5th 400 times?

[Kid Berwyn]

5. First the facts.

Scoop up all underlings and what and who they know.

Then Pisswig meets the RICO.

[GoodRaisin]

10. May was well subpoena Trump at the same time. It will take extra long

for his to make it through the court rulings and appeals.

[GoodRaisin]

17. Yep, sorry we were posting about the same time.

[FoxNewsSucks]

7. Deep down inside,

Mullah Pence still thinks that MF45 likes him.

Mother told him so.

[napi21]

16. I'm not sure I believe that. He might believe he;ps Mr. Squeaky Clean but he's not stupid, nor

is his wife. If given the opportunity I think they both would bury DT alive and help shovel the dirt in on him! If he has to testify under oath, he won't lie. He does have his eyes on the WH so he won't voluntarily say anything he thinks would jeopardize his shot.

[viva la]

8. They should subpoena his wife

She was there and in danger too, and if she's any kind of loving wife, she'd be furious at Trump.

[Pobeka]

12. This ain't Jack Smith's first time a high profile govt case.

You can be sure he has a good reason for the Pence subpeona. This is not a J6 subpeona, the SC has "motivating" tools to use to get witnesses to talk, where the J6 commitee could only ask questions and hope for the best.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. "Did mueller subpoena trmp?"

Mueller's mandate was to determine if there was "Russian interference" in the 2016 campaign/election and possible "obstruction of justice".

But something associated with "insurrection" with a couple "seditious conspiracy" convictions already under DOJ's belt (let alone upwards of 1000 people charged with various crimes associated with the breach of the Capitol in an attempt to disrupt the certification of the Presidential election), takes it to a whole other level.

And note that Mueller had been assigned to be under the purview of Bill Barr, who replaced the very publicly removed elf Jeff Sessions as AG.

Barr was the fixer just as he was under Poppy (below from 31 years ago with Mueller) -

[SheltieLover]

22. I hope this prick rots in prison.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. LOL

You and millions of others.

[SheltieLover]

24. Well...

This mofo is a disgrace to Droopy. 😉

[Pobeka]

26. If you have time, I really encourage a listen to the podcast "Jack".

Allison Gill and Andrew McCabe. They cover a lot of this stuff in depth.

There are now 11 episodes, about an hour in length each. Well explained for us layfolks to get a better handle on the reality of a DOJ investigation vs media 5 second sound bytes over and over.

[SheltieLover]

21. SC Smith will stick it to him if he lies.

Can't wait!

I'll bet stock in Depends skyrocketed!

[Lucinda]

25. The more they work their way up the list

The more they will know how things happened. That gives them leverage with the lower levels and it also makes Trump unnerved. And Trump always tattles on himself - especially as the investigations tighten up...

[70sEraVet]

6. He's not going to talk. He STILL imagines that having been tfg's VP, will give him the keys ...

to the White House.
Delusional.

Reality: "I was Trump's VP, and all i got was this lousy noose"

[Beachnutt]

13. But his Oath with his hand on Gods Word

He is such a christian man he wouldn't lie would he ?
Swear before God to tell the truth Mike Matthew 7:15 Pence

[wnylib]

18. I also think that he won't say much, but

not because of hopes to run for president. I think that he has been threatened long ago by Trump.

Considering Trump's paranoia and need to control others, I don't think that Trump would have chosen Pence as VP unless he had something on Pence to enforce absolute loyalty. Most people are not as squeaky clean religious Boy Scout as Pence projects himself to be. In fact, that kind of image projection often covers up behavior that is less than squeaky clean.

I think that Trump has something on Pence to ensure that Pence will plead the 5th or have serious lapses of memory.

[Pobeka]

27. My understanding, in a grand jury, they could grant Pence immunity and he *has* to testify.

Immunity pulls the 5th defense off the table. Can be used to get testimonial evidence for the bigger fish.

[wnylib]

29. Then the fall back for Pence could be

"I don't remember."

"I'm not very clear about that."

Or recalling only things that he's sure are verifiable from other sources.

Or, if the threats from Trump or Trump's Russian allies include death threats, Pence might be willing to take prison over talking.

I am just skeptical that Pence will be very cooperative because be was still sucking up to Trump even after J6 when Trump set him up as a target of the insurrectionists.

[Pobeka]

30. That only works if he doesn't commit perjury.

That's part of the strategy -- assuming the SC already has solid evidence that could be used to get a perjury conviction if Pence claims he doesn't remember (but other sources are on the record of Pence having a good memory of the event), so Pence would be forced into a guessing game at best if he could commit perjury and get away with it.

With Trump failing in the polls, I think Pence's best strategy is now to cooperate. He's not loyal to anyone but himself, like his old boss.

[spanone]

15. Pence has a spine of angel hair

[Silent3]

31. Perhaps some momentary irritation before more weeks and months slip by

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How many times over the past two plus years have people oohed and aahed about how this or that piece of news must have Trump quaking in his boots?

Hopefully, eventually, this all adds up to some serious legal consequences, but unless Trump is a long-term worrier he's had no reason to lose much sleep over any of this yet.

Hell, even if an indictment lands tomorrow, any subsequent court battle will dragged out for a long, long time before there's any serious music to possibly face. A long stretch that Trump will monetize the hell out of.