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5% of the US military budget has yielded the destruction of at least 50% of the Russian military
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The Ukrainian armed forces have already killed or wounded upwards of 100,000 Russian troops, half its original fighting force; there have been almost 8,000 confirmed losses of armored vehicles including thousands of tanks, thousands of APCs, artillery pieces, hundreds of fixed and rotary wing aircraft, and numerous naval vessels. US spending of 5.6% of its defense budget to destroy nearly half of Russias conventional military capability seems like an absolutely incredible investment. If we divide out the US defense budget to the threats it faces, Russia would perhaps be of the order of $100bn-150bn in spend-to-threat. So spending just $40bn a year, erodes a threat value of $100-150bn, a two-to-three time return. Actually the return is likely to be multiples of this given that defense spending, and threat are annual recurring events.
The US military might reasonably wish Russia to continue deploying military forces for Ukraine to destroy.
Meanwhile, replacing destroyed kit, and keeping up with the new arms race that it has now triggered with the West will surely end up bankrupting the Russian economy; especially an economy subject to aggressive Western sanctions. How can Russia possibly hope to win an arms race when the combined GDP of the West is $40 trillion, and its defense spending amounting to 2% of GDP totals well in excess of $1 trillion when the disproportionate US defense contribution is considered? Russias total GDP is only $1.8 trillion. Vladimir Putin will have to divert spending from consumption to defense, risking social and political unrest over the medium term, and a real and soon-to-be present danger to his regime. Just imagine how much more of a bargain Western military aid will be if it ultimately brings positive regime change in Russia.
Disaffected
(5,180 posts)for heaven's sake, it is not just the 5% of US military budget that has destroyed "half" the Russian military. IIRC, Ukraine itself and a number of NATO countries also had something to do with it.
teach1st
(5,969 posts)It's a cost/benefit analysis of U.S. monies being spent on Ukraine. I didn't get that it excluded other countries and especially Ukraine. I'll reread it.
Disaffected
(5,180 posts)It also states:
"US spending of 5.6% of its defense budget to destroy nearly half of Russias conventional military capability seems like an absolutely incredible investment."
And the title of the article was:
"Its Costing Peanuts for the US to Defeat Russia"
Anyhow, not a big deal - the bottom line is Ukraine military assistance is eminently worthwhile no matter what or where the source.
Igel
(36,240 posts)I got a dehydrator and I'm making jerky. Working on my "preferred" recipe and the fridge is filling up with dried cow.
I've spent $40 or $50 on 10 lbs of jerky. That's like 20 lbs of meat. At $6/lb (minimum), that $120 in dead bovine.
It doesn't add up. Except that I had a crapload of frozen beef in the freezer that was suitable.
That's the US. We've been drawing down stockpiles of weapons that we'll be replacing, and which will be budgeted for, for at least 2, 3 years. And much of that's been outdated, so when we replace the capability we'll be using higher-tech/spendier munitions.
I'm behind kicking the imperialist, genocidal orcs out of Ukraine. At the same time, I'm a sucky PR person. It'll cost NATO allies money to beef out their (finally honored treaty obligation-related) military spending, a long-standing issue for the last 20 years. It'll cost the US in restocking supplies. The worry is that it'll draw down stockpiles and some other imperialist country will use the perceived deficit to invade a certain island formerly recognized as an actual country.
whopis01
(3,748 posts)Just giving credit where credit is due.
Cha
(305,863 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(155,578 posts)mopinko
(71,970 posts)also, um, they did attack us.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,383 posts)to defeat Russia in Ukraine, but I dont recall them attacking us.
questionseverything
(10,299 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,383 posts)agree to disagree that that is an attack.
Hekate
(95,305 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,383 posts)Agree to disagree
Irish_Dem
(59,744 posts)Culminating with the installation of Trump into the White House.
Bought off MOC who do his bidding.
Bought off the NRA to make the US a dangerous place.
How many high level US officials work for Putin?
We find out frequently that Putin has his assets all over the US government.
Where does the media dark money funding come from.
Why is the media most usually the GOP propaganda arm?
mopinko
(71,970 posts)he had a hi level fbi agent in his camp, and he leaked the crap that cost hillary the election. cmon man.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,383 posts)IronLionZion
(47,131 posts)For US Navy electronic guidance systems I defer to this quote:
Ian Fleming 'Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action
Irish_Dem
(59,744 posts)But a very high price for Ukraine.
Hekate
(95,305 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,871 posts)is being spent right here in the USA to manufacture the equipment and ammo we are sending there. It's not like we are just handing cash over to Ukraine.
Kicking Russia's ass without any risk to American lives? That's a no-brainer.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,383 posts)Larissa
(792 posts)I'll take it. The arsenal of democracy works for me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_of_Democracy
Midnight Writer
(23,143 posts)Didn't hear the Republicans beef about that.
Does anyone remember Star Wars?
Red Mountain
(1,930 posts)is to point out how wrong the Reagan military buildup was.
At least from a cost/benefit ratio perspective.
Mopar151
(10,191 posts)Operation Northwind was an evil plot to preminently strike USSR with nuclear weapons. Collateral damage would be 60 Million ± Lives, heavy destruction on the East Coast.......It would kick off with a CIA specialty, a false flag attack!
When Kennedy got wind of it, he fired Allen Dulles, NSA, snd, IIRC Lyle Leminitzer, JCS. A few months later,
President Kennedy was dead, and Dulles is saying "Who did that little Kennedy think he was?"
LBJ was the snake of snakes, and he had several hands in the game at Dealy Plaza. But he got the generals to put the nukes down, kept Dulles on the bench, and dug into the work of desegregating his beloved South, ensuring an economic future.
paleotn
(19,539 posts)with a small fraction of our overall defense budgets. Seems for the umpteenth time, we've grossly overestimated Russian military prowess. Add the morality factor back in and outside of WWII we're hard pressed to find a more black and white, good vs. evil situation in recent geopolitics.
Skittles
(160,363 posts)they need to STFU
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,828 posts)Especially one peanut farmer in particular.
Bucky
(55,334 posts)From hot minute there I thought Charlie and Linus had volunteered to go fight the Russian incursion. I mean, obviously, Lucy Van Pelt is the modern Rambo to send in
Bucky
(55,334 posts)Russia is the way it is because of its geography and its neighborhood. You're never gonna have a real democracy in Russia. It's too big, too diverse, and too geographically vulnerable to not have a strong man in charge.
But I will say that the sooner Russia is beat out of Ukraine and able to rebuild its military, the safer that section of the world will be. A Russia capable of stomping it's neighbors, but politically disinclined to try, is currently the only workable formula for a peaceful Central Asia.
I mean, I don't want to be cynical, but the second Russia collapses politically you're gonna see at least half a dozen brushfire wars along its periphery where ethnicities cross political lines. Chechens, Georgians, Armenians, Azeris, Ingush... There's a lot of suppressed rage sitting on top of all that drillable oil and natural gas. It's actually in everyone's interest that Russia can be a bully, just a bully who never actually punches.