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NCDem47

(2,593 posts)
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 12:21 PM Apr 2023

SC Mifepristone decision today

I know there are several potential outcomes for this, but my money is on a 4:58 pm ET annoucement with every Republican heading for the hills for the weekend.

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SC Mifepristone decision today (Original Post) NCDem47 Apr 2023 OP
I thought the decision was to be released at 11:59PM EDT Zorro Apr 2023 #1
Even WORSE! NCDem47 Apr 2023 #2
If they uphold the MAGA judge Bettie Apr 2023 #3
Yes. It will open the door to chaos, and every unscientific, conspiracy nutcase JohnSJ Apr 2023 #4
I am concerned that there are deep pocketed Bettie Apr 2023 #5
I agree JohnSJ Apr 2023 #17
Pharma companies could also start bribing judges to knock out the competition. tinrobot Apr 2023 #9
I had thought of that as well Bettie Apr 2023 #10
yup, and if a judge can remove approval, it stands to reason they could force approval too Takket Apr 2023 #16
We all know how this is going to be decided budkin Apr 2023 #6
The later in the day they choose to release it Bettie Apr 2023 #8
Yep. I'll be shocked if it's otherwise. Oneironaut Apr 2023 #15
Then I guess "we all" were wrong? onenote Apr 2023 #23
I'm shocked, tbh budkin Apr 2023 #25
They're going to uphold the insane Texas Judge's ruling Marius25 Apr 2023 #7
Guess again. onenote Apr 2023 #22
Yeah, glad to be wrong. Marius25 Apr 2023 #24
There always was going to be more litigation. onenote Apr 2023 #26
So the issue is, the Court still has to rule on the merits Marius25 Apr 2023 #27
Yup. The Friday Afternoon News Dump, as it is known. CTyankee Apr 2023 #11
Long after everyone has conveniently left for the weekend Freethinker65 Apr 2023 #12
Is this the final ruling (on merits) Mad_Machine76 Apr 2023 #13
Excellent question. I THINK it's on the injunction, but.... LAS14 Apr 2023 #14
It's a ruling on whether the partial stay granted by the 5th Circuit should be expanded onenote Apr 2023 #18
If i'm understanding what you're saying, then maybe only deciding one of two ways? bluestarone Apr 2023 #19
It's a bit more complicated because the Fifth Circuit decision wasn't all or nothing onenote Apr 2023 #20
A lot of wrong guesses in this thread. onenote Apr 2023 #21

NCDem47

(2,593 posts)
2. Even WORSE!
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 12:33 PM
Apr 2023

But you're right. Just reread they have until midnight to release decision. What a farce it would be to wait that late and agree with the Texas judge.

Bettie

(17,390 posts)
3. If they uphold the MAGA judge
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 12:39 PM
Apr 2023

doesn't that mean that any drug approved by the FDA can be taken out of circulation by anyone who can get a judge to rule for them?

Does it also mean that a judge can force the FDA to approve drugs that aren't safe or haven't been fully tested?

Will they be able to outlaw Covid vaccines, via one judge with an agenda?

Sounds impossible, right? But, if they agree with the "arguments" of this judge, all bets are off.

Bettie

(17,390 posts)
5. I am concerned that there are deep pocketed
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 12:57 PM
Apr 2023

anti-vaxxers who will unleash old diseases back on our society.

Oh, and they'll ensure that other basic medications become illegal.

tinrobot

(11,474 posts)
9. Pharma companies could also start bribing judges to knock out the competition.
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 01:38 PM
Apr 2023

Really opens up some nightmare scenarios.

Bettie

(17,390 posts)
10. I had thought of that as well
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 01:40 PM
Apr 2023

in any of these scenarios, we...the ordinary people, lose.

First, the big pharma companies will go after generic versions of drugs, so that we have to pay whatever they want.

OR...and this is a long shot, but possible, Big Pharma will not want to be fucked with and may start supporting sane people in elections.

Takket

(22,664 posts)
16. yup, and if a judge can remove approval, it stands to reason they could force approval too
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 02:43 PM
Apr 2023

get ready for your government mandated Ivermectin treatment

This is honestly a far fetched slippery slope argument, but it is highly unlikely that if the courts open the door beyond judicial review into how government agencies execute the powers granted to them by Congress, that it will stop at this one drug. Now... lawsuits against government agencies are nothing new, but usually they have to do with whether some underlying law is not being observed, or something is unconstitutional... but challenging the FDA on how it issues approvals on the science, that's new.....

Bettie

(17,390 posts)
8. The later in the day they choose to release it
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 01:24 PM
Apr 2023

the worse it is for our nation.

So, the question is this: What will they go after next? My guess is hormonal birth control.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
7. They're going to uphold the insane Texas Judge's ruling
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 01:12 PM
Apr 2023

All the conservatives on the court are Christian extremists and they won't stop until America is a theocracy.

onenote

(44,805 posts)
22. Guess again.
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 05:47 PM
Apr 2023

7-2 to grant a complete stay while the fifth circuit appeal is pending.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
24. Yeah, glad to be wrong.
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 05:58 PM
Apr 2023

Although MSNBC saying this is "for now" so I guess there may be more litigation over it.

Of course, Alito and Thomas dissented. Freaking fascists.

onenote

(44,805 posts)
26. There always was going to be more litigation.
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 06:11 PM
Apr 2023

All that was before the court was whether the district court's injunction against the drug was going to be completely stayed while FDA's Fifth Circuit appeal of that decision was pending (the FDA request) or whether the partial stay of the injunction granted by the Fifth Circuit pending the appeal would be left in place.

Either way, the case would go forward at the Fifth Circuit (and to the Supreme Court after than no doubt).

Some commentators seemed to think that there was another option -- that the SCOTUS would actually roll back the partial stay and leave the district court decision fully intact. But even the plaintiffs in this case told the Supreme Court they weren't seeking to challenge the partial stay. Indeed, they described the Fifth Circuit's partial stay as "reasonable."
It seems like a lot of folks (including many in the media) speculating about possible outcomes hadn't bothered to actually read the briefs.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
27. So the issue is, the Court still has to rule on the merits
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 06:14 PM
Apr 2023

This was just a ruling on the stay of the 5th Circuit. They could still rule the FDA mishandled their approval process.

Freethinker65

(11,165 posts)
12. Long after everyone has conveniently left for the weekend
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 01:54 PM
Apr 2023

the decision is set to automatically release which will affect the lives of all Americans that have depended on modern reproductive healthcare.

LAS14

(14,789 posts)
14. Excellent question. I THINK it's on the injunction, but....
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 02:09 PM
Apr 2023

... I'm not sure. I hope someone responds that knows.

onenote

(44,805 posts)
18. It's a ruling on whether the partial stay granted by the 5th Circuit should be expanded
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 04:21 PM
Apr 2023

or left as is.

The FDA has asked that the Fifth Circuit decision that only stayed the district court ruling in part be reversed so that the entire district court ruling would be stayed.

The plaintiffs have opposed expanding the stay but haven't asked that the partial stay be lifted.

Whatever the Court does, it will not be a ruling on the merits. The appeal of the district court's decision brought by the FDA in the Fifth Circuit would still move forward.

bluestarone

(18,405 posts)
19. If i'm understanding what you're saying, then maybe only deciding one of two ways?
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 05:04 PM
Apr 2023

1( access to the pill is allowed until the District court rules on it. or 2) no access to the pill until District rules on it. correct?

onenote

(44,805 posts)
20. It's a bit more complicated because the Fifth Circuit decision wasn't all or nothing
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 05:29 PM
Apr 2023

The Fifth Circuit would let most of the district court's injunction go into effect pending appeal, but not all.

This article explains it better than I can:

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/13/1169217172/abortion-pill-mifepristone-ruling-texas-judge

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