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LuckyCharms

(19,730 posts)
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 03:38 PM Jul 2023

Balance Of Nature fruit and vegetable capsules.

I keep the TV on for background noise while I'm working at my desk.

Commercials for this product are on many times per day.

How is this not a complete and obvious scam?

I can't find a picture of the label for these capsules that is large enough to be readable on DU, but here's an amazon link in which you can zoom in on the labels. Go to the second picture and hover over it to zoom in:

https://www.amazon.com/Balance-Nature-Vegetable-Supplement-Tablets/dp/B07KQWXRGM

The red bottle is fruit. let's take a look at that.

It appears that these capsules are loaded with dried and powdered fruit of all types, listed as different types of "blends".

A serving size is THREE capsules that gives you two whole grams of carbs, that's all...2 grams (less than 1% of the recommended daily value).

3 capsules gives you the following:

Maintain blend 731 mg
Protect blend 719 mg
Repair blend 561 mg

Total mg of powdered fruit is 2,011 mg or just over 2 grams of fruit.

An apple weighs between 150 grams 250 grams Let's call it 200 grams.

So an apple is giving you about 100 times more fruit than 3 of these capsules are.

So eat an apple, a banana, maybe a few grapes everyday, and you are getting many many more times the amount of fruit than three of these expensive capsules are giving you.

There are no other ingredients (beneficial or otherwise) listed on the bottle of capsules.

So, this soft spoken "doctor" in these commercials, with his vague references to "perfect balance of ingredients" is full of shit in my opinion.

Take a little nibble from an apple or banana with your front teeth, and you're getting about as much fruit that is in these capsules.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong.












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Balance Of Nature fruit and vegetable capsules. (Original Post) LuckyCharms Jul 2023 OP
I think you're forgetting about water... WarGamer Jul 2023 #1
OK, let's be conservative and say an apple is 75% water. LuckyCharms Jul 2023 #3
It depends... as a Engineer and Chemist I'd need to know WarGamer Jul 2023 #4
See FDA Warning letter below OhNo-Really Jul 2023 #12
I'm not a proponent of BoN WarGamer Jul 2023 #13
Ingredients: Psychological Decoration. OhNo-Really Jul 2023 #16
Yes. I'm not promoting this product as I agree that FRESH or Frozen fruits and veggies are far hlthe2b Jul 2023 #5
+1 LuckyCharms Jul 2023 #6
price sure is silly WarGamer Jul 2023 #7
$70 For 28 Days Supply ProfessorGAC Jul 2023 #14
Most of the folks in ads are "on fixed income"' ages OhNo-Really Jul 2023 #18
Agreed! ProfessorGAC Jul 2023 #26
I'm not going to say your wrong because I don't know precisely Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #2
Scientology connection chowder66 Jul 2023 #8
Tony Ortega has my utmost respect. Scientology is constantly "fair gaming" him for his AnotherMother4Peace Jul 2023 #20
Mine too. chowder66 Jul 2023 #28
We rate this product a nonsensical waste of money, based on: chowder66 Jul 2023 #9
Pavlov makes sense... PCIntern Jul 2023 #19
Yeah, I caught that too. Probably not unintentional but certainly cynical. hlthe2b Jul 2023 #21
2019 FDA Letter of Warning to Balance of Nature OhNo-Really Jul 2023 #10
I see those commercials constantly along with Lume deodorants. BigmanPigman Jul 2023 #36
If I ever see that OB/GYN at a medical or health conference of any kind, I will not be able to hlthe2b Jul 2023 #43
I have written to that company BigmanPigman Jul 2023 #44
same old snake oil if you ask me eShirl Jul 2023 #11
It is a scam. True Blue American Jul 2023 #15
Has Oprah endorsed it yet doc03 Jul 2023 #17
Ha! BigmanPigman Jul 2023 #34
I don't know, but Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil probably did! madinmaryland Jul 2023 #35
If it is advertised, I tend to not believe it. NewHendoLib Jul 2023 #22
Everything about it seems deceptive. Not only is it not FDA approved, but has issued them a warning. AnotherMother4Peace Jul 2023 #23
Gimme a pill to fix my ills... Wounded Bear Jul 2023 #24
polypharmacy is as American as apple pie Celerity Jul 2023 #38
Reminds me of a product I used to use in the 1990's called "Juice Plus" Mr. Ected Jul 2023 #25
Loaded with caffeine, no doubt peppertree Jul 2023 #31
Sister and husband both with myriad health issues rate the stuff as expensive bullshit. IA8IT Jul 2023 #27
Beware of anything advertised that often on cable television. Period. ashredux Jul 2023 #29
That explains a few things. n/t Harker Jul 2023 #30
What really gets me in the ad is it saying it's so cheap ... ificandream Jul 2023 #32
It's like the my pillow guys woes has left a giant hole in this type of marketing ToxMarz Jul 2023 #33
But obviously you can't expect a tiny capsule to weigh senseandsensibility Jul 2023 #37
See reply #3 above concerning the water content. LuckyCharms Jul 2023 #42
I eat fresh fruit every single day malaise Jul 2023 #39
Barnum was right ironflange Jul 2023 #40
thanks for this vapor2 Jul 2023 #41
I regard this product's advertising GoodRaisin Jul 2023 #45

WarGamer

(16,579 posts)
1. I think you're forgetting about water...
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 03:39 PM
Jul 2023

ONE large fresh strawberry and a FULL CUP of dried strawberries weigh the same.

Apples are 86% water

LuckyCharms

(19,730 posts)
3. OK, let's be conservative and say an apple is 75% water.
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 03:42 PM
Jul 2023

Now the apple is down to 50 grams of actual fruit, as compared to 2 grams for three capsules.

Still 25 times more fruit in one apple than in 3 capsules.

WarGamer

(16,579 posts)
4. It depends... as a Engineer and Chemist I'd need to know
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 03:45 PM
Jul 2023

What exactly are they adding?

Just an entire blueberry, dried? Or a more concentrated blend of anti-oxidants FROM the blueberry?

BTW the ad you're talking about clearly says "If you won't, don't or can't eat fruit"...

WarGamer

(16,579 posts)
13. I'm not a proponent of BoN
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:06 PM
Jul 2023

I'm just saying you need to know WHAT is in the capsules to know if there is nutritional value.

OhNo-Really

(3,996 posts)
16. Ingredients: Psychological Decoration.
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:16 PM
Jul 2023

Your point is exactly why FDA is on BoN’s case.

No records to substantiate claims and “serious violations of the FDA & Cosmetic Act”

See link below.

hlthe2b

(108,317 posts)
5. Yes. I'm not promoting this product as I agree that FRESH or Frozen fruits and veggies are far
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 03:45 PM
Jul 2023

superior to any kind of supplement. But you can't compare a whole apple in grams with dehydrated fruit based on weight. The latter is always going to be more concentrated without the natural water.

As to whether or not this is a scam, well, it is not inexpensive and again, hardly a substitute for all your fruit/vegetable servings. But it might be useful as a supplement for some who try but do not always get the full servings recommended. But, the $$$ is what bugs me.

ProfessorGAC

(71,843 posts)
14. $70 For 28 Days Supply
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:11 PM
Jul 2023

That's both fruits and veggies. But, $2.50 a day. That's if you set it up for every 28 days.
A bottle of 200 Centrum caplets is $13.
One could take 2 Centrum each day and spend 13 CENTS per day.
You said "price sure is silly". You're a master of understatement.

ProfessorGAC

(71,843 posts)
26. Agreed!
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:54 PM
Jul 2023

It's way overpriced & makes highly dubious claims as to the benefits. Targeting oldsters.
Don't like it.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. I'm not going to say your wrong because I don't know precisely
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 03:40 PM
Jul 2023

But you're counting water weight when you talk about fresh fruits.

Water is pretty inert stuff

chowder66

(10,220 posts)
8. Scientology connection
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 03:47 PM
Jul 2023

Last year in February we revealed that an employee at the dietary supplement company Balance of Nature had contacted us, wanting to expose that the company has a cozy relationship with the Church of Scientology.

How cozy? As in, the Balance of Nature headquarters in St. George, Utah actually has a “Hubbard College of Administration” housed inside the building, and employees are encouraged to take courses there, which are given by Scientology instructors flown out regularly by Balance of Nature.

We learned this not only from the employee, but also in a series of photographs of the offices and even an excerpt from the employee manual. As a result of the story, the company had its VP of public relations, Dennis Leavitt, try to lean on us and get us to retract some of the article. But the photos and the employee manual spoke for themselves, we figured, and we didn’t change the story. (We did, however, gladly include Leavitt’s statement as the final word in the story.)

Balance of Nature promises all sorts of health benefits if you consume their capsules containing ingredients from fruits and veggies. The company is all over the place, particularly on conservative talk radio, and its Internet ads pop up all over. Before our story in February, some of our readers had spotted a set of Scientology manuals in one television ad for the product.

Video at link....

https://tonyortega.org/2022/05/02/a-balance-of-nature-employee-wanted-to-prove-scientologys-influence-so-they-sent-video/

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,701 posts)
20. Tony Ortega has my utmost respect. Scientology is constantly "fair gaming" him for his
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:37 PM
Jul 2023

journalistic investigations. It's no surprise that they tried "to lean on us and get us to retract some of the article."

chowder66

(10,220 posts)
9. We rate this product a nonsensical waste of money, based on:
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 03:54 PM
Jul 2023

GROSSLY exaggerated CLAIMS - The testimonial claims are subjective, exaggerated and not verifiable
Expensive, grossly over-priced for freeze-dried vegetables and fruit
Fresh fruit and vegetables are better
The FDA sent them a letter demanding they cease making medical claims;
The Better Business Bureau has numerous complaints from customers (see below)

snip....

Who is "Dr. Howard"
The first thing that comes to our mind, is the "Three Stooges" (Moe Howard, Shemp Howard, Curly Howard, Larry Fine). Remember the hospital episode, where they posed as doctors in a hospital? "Paging Dr. Howard! Paging Dr. Fine. Dr. Howard". Humor aside,
Dr. Howard is a chiropractor.

That's right, a chiropractor. Not a research epidemiologist, dietitian or even a U.S. medical doctor.

The Balance of Nature Twitter account tells us:
"Dr. Howard earned his Doctor of Chiropractic degree at Cleveland Chiropractic College and had a very successful practice. He was invited to study medicine at Pavlov first Medical Institute in Saint Petersburg, Russia."

https://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/Balance-of-Nature.php

OhNo-Really

(3,996 posts)
10. 2019 FDA Letter of Warning to Balance of Nature
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 03:58 PM
Jul 2023

Home based St George, Utah

Sometimes Utah is referred to as the “Multi-Level Marketing Capital of the World”

https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/evig-llc-dba-balance-nature-580888-08202019

FDA response to all the MSNBC advertising was “they use professional actors”

Btw, multi-level marketing is milostly one of 3 things

A Lotion

A Notion

Or a

Potion

And in this case, a flat out misrepresentation.

As if a few capsules could replace real food.

One born every day

A man and his money are easily parted

Etc

Great post

From FDA link

“ August 20, 2019

WARNING LETTER



Ref: # HAF4W (DEN)-19-09-WL

Dear Mr. Howard:

On February 4 – 8, 2019, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA or we) inspected your facility located at 785 E. Venture Dr., St. George, UT. During the inspection, our investigator collected product labels and written material accompanying your products. In addition, we reviewed labeling on your firm’s website at www.balanceofnature.com and your YouTube channel at www.youtube.com/user/balanceofnature1. The inspection and our review of your product labeling revealed serious violations of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act) and applicable regulations. You can find the Act and its implementing regulations through links on FDA’s home page at www.fda.gov.”

YOU ARE CORRECT 👍🏼

And shame on MSNBC. Do they get a $cut?

BigmanPigman

(52,670 posts)
36. I see those commercials constantly along with Lume deodorants.
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 06:18 PM
Jul 2023

Running ads like these non-stop and sometimes twice in a row is so annoying that I turn the channel or hit the "mute" button. Don't these companies see that their ads are not drawing in new buyers but are actually repelling people, the opposite of their desired effect? They piss me off so much that I run for my remote control so I do not have to hear one more word of their crap.

hlthe2b

(108,317 posts)
43. If I ever see that OB/GYN at a medical or health conference of any kind, I will not be able to
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 07:04 PM
Jul 2023

contain myself from confronting her ( "Dr" Shannon Klingman) over her abject lack of professionalism and apparent desire to promote her product like a porn movie--"buttcrack," indeed. I'm no prude, but this is beyond the pale for any physician or other medical professional to produce/promote in this manner. One can speak to a general or lay audience of dramatically varying backgrounds and education without using such crude terminology. I'd love to "smack" some sense into her, but I would only give her a verbal equivalent. But, I can assure you she'd be anxious to remove herself from my presence.

BTW, if rumor has it right, some of her colleagues have already confronted her as I describe. Good.

BigmanPigman

(52,670 posts)
44. I have written to that company
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 10:21 PM
Jul 2023

complaining about their not stop commercials and it turned out that I am in the majority. Many, many people are "put off" by their terminology which is clearly marketed to cause people to take notice. It is gross to hear once, let alone 15 times in 2 hours.

True Blue American

(18,430 posts)
15. It is a scam.
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:13 PM
Jul 2023

There have been many complaints about how much it costs and how impossible to get off the plan once you sign up. They say there is no place to end it.

But if Was dumb enough to sign I would simply call my credit card and stop them.

NewHendoLib

(60,978 posts)
22. If it is advertised, I tend to not believe it.
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:40 PM
Jul 2023

You did good analysis in your post - and came up with the proper answer.

It is snake oil - but there is a strong, unexplainable placebo effect, so many who take it will perceive improvement.

I don't want to get on my pseudoscience rant (such as with homeopathy)...so we'll leave it at that.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,701 posts)
23. Everything about it seems deceptive. Not only is it not FDA approved, but has issued them a warning.
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:45 PM
Jul 2023

BofN has refused to say where it sources it's ingredients from, could be China, could be Mexico, could be Thailand......

Mr. Ected

(9,689 posts)
25. Reminds me of a product I used to use in the 1990's called "Juice Plus"
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:53 PM
Jul 2023

And IIRC, a pre-murder spree OJ Simpson was one of its chief spokespersons.

Same freeze-dried fruit and vegetable capsules. First couple times I took them I felt like I was on speed or something.

Took them to a friend of mine in Germany and he laughed and threw them in the trash. "Why eat these when I have a kitchen full of fresh fruits for you?"

Later that year I bought a Vitamix and started making fruit and veggie smoothies, whole food. And I've had one daily ever since.

Many people would allow themselves to be fed by the capsule-full if it was possible. For supplementation, sure. For the main course? Pass me the apples, please.

ashredux

(2,705 posts)
29. Beware of anything advertised that often on cable television. Period.
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 05:56 PM
Jul 2023

If it was as great as they say it is, they wouldn’t have to have an ad every 10 minutes to sell it

And you would not have to sign up for multiple monthly deliveries. It’s a scam.

ificandream

(11,057 posts)
32. What really gets me in the ad is it saying it's so cheap ...
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 06:03 PM
Jul 2023

Well, as shown in this thread, it's not. Not to mention that fresh fruits and vegetables at the market are way way way cheaper than this crap. It is a royal scam. Not to mention the guy's explanation about how he "started" it.

ToxMarz

(2,277 posts)
33. It's like the my pillow guys woes has left a giant hole in this type of marketing
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 06:05 PM
Jul 2023

and these guys are rushing to fill the void.

senseandsensibility

(21,205 posts)
37. But obviously you can't expect a tiny capsule to weigh
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 06:26 PM
Jul 2023

the same as a whole piece of fruit. They've obviously taken out the water, which is a huge part of the weight. It's condensed. Now I have no idea if the vitamins remain intact. Does it give the vitamin content on the label?

LuckyCharms

(19,730 posts)
42. See reply #3 above concerning the water content.
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 07:04 PM
Jul 2023

Also, no nutritional or vitamin information at all is included on the label.

malaise

(281,661 posts)
39. I eat fresh fruit every single day
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 06:40 PM
Jul 2023

at least twice a day and then sometimes I snack on raisins, nuts or chick peas before going to bed.
Other times I snack on chocolates, ice-cream or home made pastries 😀

vapor2

(1,875 posts)
41. thanks for this
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 07:03 PM
Jul 2023

My dad emailed me the other day and said how annoyed he is with this commercial and that "soft spoken nurse" who claims she now has more energy couldn't give me a free bottle. I actually wrote the company saying how she has NO energy and is surely NOT a good choice to sell their product.

GoodRaisin

(9,989 posts)
45. I regard this product's advertising
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 10:36 PM
Jul 2023

as a crock of shit. Like most advertising, full of lies.


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