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LuckyCharms
(19,192 posts)
James48
(4,614 posts)And see if I can get used to it.
Sometimes things just take getting used to.
Ocelot II
(121,497 posts)You don't have to participate in DU if you don't like it, but maybe you could at least explain what it is that you don't like, and why? Or maybe spend some time getting used to and familiar with it? But nothing is keeping you here.
Think. Again.
(19,096 posts)...you could try the "Skinner Mode" option, maybe that would be more comfortable?
edisdead
(3,359 posts)
me of something from the nineties. Difficult to navigate
NBachers
(18,195 posts)
Emile
(30,798 posts)
burrowowl
(18,061 posts)
William769
(55,876 posts)
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,192 posts)and then "Account Settings" and you have the option to pick "Classic Skinner" or something like that that will make it look like it did a decade ago?
Or, just keep going off, I guess.
NutmegYankee
(16,336 posts)I used to have this:
The Skinner mode still wastes the sides.
krawhitham
(4,907 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 19, 2023, 12:37 AM - Edit history (1)
For Chrome use stylebot
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha
For Firefox you can use CSS Override or use userContent.css (2nd it more detailed)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/css-override
css code
.left-col {
display: none !important;
}
.main-container {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.reply {
max-width: 100% !important;
}
.reply-box {
max-width: 100% !important;
}
.location-trail-container {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.header-inner {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.center-col {
padding: 15px 0px 0px 0px !important;
}
.nav-sitesearch-button-container {
left: 93% !important;
}
.location-trail-bottom {
max-width: 90% !important;
text-align: left !important;
}
.removed-box {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.reply-button-bottom-container {
width: 90% !important;
}
.op-notes-container {
display: none !important;
}
.video-embed {
padding-bottom: 25% !important;
max-width: 50% !important;
}
.removed-box {
min-width: 100% !important;
}
enough
(13,466 posts)
OAITW r.2.0
(28,667 posts)It's built into Windows.
phylny
(8,608 posts)DearMusic
(10 posts)Ctrl +/- is processed by the browser you are using. OS not so much.
OAITW r.2.0
(28,667 posts)Welcome to DU4!
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)I didn't like this either, but mostly I just don't like when a website completely changes its look..... now I'm good!
Rorey
(8,513 posts)I found the old version easy for my AMD eyes to read.
2naSalit
(93,485 posts)A few web sites revamping their look and format. A weather site I really liked has transformed to something I can't use anymore.
This format change at DU was not my favorite during the trials but now that some of the thing I didn't like have been addressed, I can live it and will probably be fine with it in a month or two.
Take some time and look through the tips and help pages that EarlG has posted with some guidance to find things and it won't be so bad in a few days.
MorbidButterflyTat
(2,636 posts)You're my first post rec!
CentralMass
(15,598 posts)Those three button up top, Navigate, DU, and MyStuff will take you anywhere you need to go..
Iggo
(48,532 posts)I’m coming in cold on this format and those buttons are making it real easy.
Just gotta let my brain rewire itself. Shouldn’t take too long.
JI7
(90,892 posts)but I end up getting used to it most of the time.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)In a week, it will be old shoe.
Xavier Breath
(5,173 posts)I much preferred the old version and used it until it was finally taken away today. But, membership here is a privilege and not a right, so I'll muddle through. I'm sure a year from now it will be distant memory.
mahina
(19,047 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 19, 2023, 07:51 AM - Edit history (1)
With backend upgrades we dont need to know or understand.
CentralMass
(15,598 posts)Those three button up top, Navigate, DU, and MyStuff will take you anywhere you need to go..
Srkdqltr
(7,775 posts)
jcmaine72
(1,783 posts)Like many new things,, it'll just take some getting used to.
bucolic_frolic
(47,605 posts)Makes no sense. Recycles yesterday's news when they get replies.
On the other hand glad to see news sorted by category. I was a little tired of dog and cat videos being 24% of the latest posts.
littlemissmartypants
(25,906 posts)...with latest news first.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/index.php
"Recycles yesterday's news when they get replies."
This was always a thing, nothing new.
I have no idea what this is a reference to...?
"...news sorted by category..." Share a link so I can check it out, please. TIA
Elessar Zappa
(16,082 posts)And if you don’t, then you’re free to leave. Posting here isn’t a right, it’s a privilege.
Emile
(30,798 posts)
senseandsensibility
(20,398 posts)by selecting Skinner Mode. I'm going to give this a try for a couple of days.
NCWilm
(67 posts)You can only use skinner mode if you're a star member.....ie......you pay for it. I'm unable to pay for a star membership because I can't get the pay screen to rotate so I can see to pay. Have checked my phone settings and those are set to rotate to landscape.
totodeinhere
(13,355 posts)I know that the admins were well intentioned and meant well when they adopted this new version. But I wish they would consider dumping it and going back to the previous version.
NCWilm
(67 posts)Completely agree
dpibel
(3,439 posts)I mean, it must be a real adjustment for someone who'd been here (checks notes) starting today.
Guess you didn't fully read. Have been viewing this site since 2007 or so "lurking" but sarcasm is SO useful.
dpibel
(3,439 posts)Your post is a subject line.
No big lurker reveal.
So you don't know what you didn't read?
Well obviously.
dpibel
(3,439 posts)Seems to be a small flock who just signed up to be sad about the new format.
Weird.
I found it!
You did the "I've been reading here for YEARS" in a different thread.
And you want to chide me for not keeping up with your every word?
You really don't know how this works, do you?
William769
(55,876 posts)dpibel
(3,439 posts)I do appreciate your appeal to kindness.
But in this case, we've got a couple of brand spanking new members who seem to have signed up for the sole purpose of complaining about the new format.
Don't you find that a little odd?
How can you be devastated by the format change, when you've been a member for a matter of days?
William769
(55,876 posts)Be assured, we are on the job.
KS Toronado
(19,703 posts)Odd, unusual & surprised at the number of new members we got today all saying basically the same thing, been reading DU for years and on account of the change over decided to join and put their 2 cents worth in finally.
So yes all these newbies are well aware of the DU3 format and now have opinions about DU4, simple human nature.
As a member of the MIR Team I have never seen this amount of new sign-ups ever, over a hundred, might be a new record. So lets all be adults and be nice to every Democrat on this Forum. 
edisdead
(3,359 posts)Why be a jerk to them? Just because they don’t post doesn’t mean they aren’t contributing.
Bad take.
sheshe2
(88,150 posts) You found it?! That's awesome, so happy for you!
Gonna keep replying?
Maybe don't be a sarcastic twit
dpibel
(3,439 posts)This is such a productive conversation.
Do enjoy your stay here!
Hey I can do this all day and night. Happy to annoy you in perpetuity.
You started this because you couldn't resist being a smartass.
Enjoy, Einstein
Iggo
(48,532 posts) krawhitham
(4,907 posts)Does it carry more weight now?
murielm99
(31,522 posts)
Marthe48
(19,336 posts) Finally a nice person!
Renew Deal
(83,068 posts)krawhitham
(4,907 posts)For Chrome use stylebot
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha
For Firefox you can use CSS Override or use userContent.css (2nd it more detailed)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/css-override
css code
.left-col {
display: none !important;
}
.main-container {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.reply {
max-width: 100% !important;
}
.reply-box {
max-width: 100% !important;
}
.location-trail-container {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.header-inner {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.center-col {
padding: 15px 0px 0px 0px !important;
}
.nav-sitesearch-button-container {
left: 93% !important;
}
.location-trail-bottom {
max-width: 90% !important;
text-align: left !important;
}
.removed-box {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.reply-button-bottom-container {
width: 90% !important;
}
.op-notes-container {
display: none !important;
}
.video-embed {
padding-bottom: 25% !important;
max-width: 50% !important;
}
.removed-box {
min-width: 100% !important;
}
senseandsensibility
(20,398 posts)Everything else works, but when I click on the start a discussion button I just get a blank white box. Very frustrating, so I now know what some of the rest of you are going through.
Yonnie3
(18,197 posts)Emile
(30,798 posts)plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance.” — Alan Watts
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,195 posts)Mickju
(1,812 posts)Biophilic
(4,988 posts)Raine
(30,633 posts)
tavernier
(13,284 posts)It’s easier on my old eyes. The new stuff looks interesting and pretty jazzy. kind of like going out after dark, L O L. But I think the black on white suits me better.
calimary
(84,609 posts)I find the new format strange and confusing too, but the Skinner mode makes it easier.
To whoever thought that up: Thank You!
LakeArenal
(29,855 posts)But everything changes.
Most changes are to better something. So go with the flow. Change is inevitable.
calimary
(84,609 posts)LakeArenal
(29,855 posts)Every year the buttons you were used to pushing changed. Functions were moved.
Everyone hated the changes. Or rather they having to change.
But had to keep your job so you go with the flow.
Aepps22
(330 posts)Just give it time. This thread comes off as very entitled. Not cool because the mods don't owe us anything.
masmdu
(2,583 posts)
Prof. P.E. Name
(63 posts)Agree
Mossfern
(3,250 posts)I know that I wanted something that would let me know which posts I already read when I open a thread, but it says that the mark as read is for the forum, not a particular post.
I do remember a long long time ago that there was a feature on some message boards that change the color of the font when you clicked on an individual post. There is the " 5 latest" feature that kind of helps, but what if it's a very active thread and there are 20 posts that you haven't read?
Am I making sense here? I'm not known for my clarity in communication.
consider_this
(2,833 posts)would hope someone could clarify.
I never understood it on 3 and not on 4 either. I don't want to mark an entire forum as read.
Can anyone explain how to use this feature? - Thanks!
LymphocyteLover
(6,980 posts)littlemissmartypants
(25,906 posts)LymphocyteLover
(6,980 posts)
tinrobot
(11,474 posts)I think the visceral negative reaction is that I have two decades of DU habits burned into my brain.
It'll be good to exercise those neurons with the new format.
If I still hate it after a week, I'll turn on Skinner mode.
TxGuitar
(4,282 posts)There was the same resistance to DU3, probably even more vociferous. A month from now nobody will remember what old DU looked like and will be loving the new features.
I say this as an old IT guy who has done (and is in the middle right now of) my share of user-resisted software upgrades. GUI upgrades are the worst to have to deal with. Good luck to the admins, it looks and works great.
Working at a university for 34 years I experienced many innovations and introductions to new tech. GREAT...BUT....The IT department was CONSTANTLY introducing "improvements" to various platforms and formats many of which made using the software more cumbersome. AND believe me after a month or even a year I DID NOT get used to some of the "improvements. IT guys get caught up in the wiz bang of some format that they understand but forget that their function is to serve the end user with tech that the end user can understand and easily use. IF IT AINT BROKEN, DONT FIX IT.
TxGuitar
(4,282 posts)Most improvements and upgrades are down to either compliance to new regulations (in banking, etc) or due to the software being out of support. Maybe because I've only worked in large companies, but my experience has been that upgrades involving changing the UI and/or the whole way a program works are implemented after a lot of testing involving super users in the user population, and the whole process takes from many months to a year or more. I'm currently working on such an upgrade that so far has lasted 4 years (migrating data took forever!) and is going live this year finally.
I guess it comes down to local IT dept policies!
anti stupid
(84 posts)What the old site had and competing web sites lacked, was a layout that allowed a quick visit multiple time a day. All sections were on one page to reference and easy to see. This site is not convenient at all AND is cumbersome to use. I won't visit as often. GO BACK
LudwigPastorius
(11,082 posts)The whole site is "new" to you.
Surely, you can adapt to the earth-shattering radical change.
Tarzanrock
(490 posts)I've been here since they first started this platform 20 years ago. I never felt the need to engage in mindless colloquy with the mindless nonsense most people feel compelled to write about.
ZZenith
(4,328 posts)either monetarily or materially, and now, after months and months of toil, the creators of this place roll out a new version that incorporates YEARS of user-requested features - and your response is “this new format SUCKS!”
Am I reading the situation correctly?
Tarzanrock
(490 posts)That's correct. Since Netscape was in vogue as the browser of choice. I've been reading the Washington Post and the NY Times even longer and never felt any compelling need to "donate" to them either -- monetarily nor materially. Feel free to "donate" to this site and maybe they'll correct the flaws and defects on this new format.
Enjoy the rest of your stay.
vapor2
(1,633 posts)
Butterflylady
(4,010 posts)
Chautauquas
(4,472 posts)and it's that the "my stuff" button blinks from yellow to blue whenever someone posts in one of the many forums I subscribe to. Essentially means it's blinking constantly and it's annoying.
electric_blue68
(18,715 posts)Chautauquas
(4,472 posts)electric_blue68
(18,715 posts)
Celerity
(46,866 posts)
Chautauquas
(4,472 posts)Good to know that.
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)to any posts, when the "yellow tab" at the top of any forum would have instantly alerted me to such---
NOW you have to go check Mystuff/Posts....
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)
ProfessorGAC
(70,619 posts)...at the end of the title post.
I missed it during the beta phase myself.
The format differs from the one for each individual post.
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)Oh found something is very small script at the very, very bottom of page in landscape, no blue button, just a link
This is a pain
Captain Stern
(2,217 posts)I've found that I can mitigate their suckiness by shaking my fist at them.
calimary
(84,609 posts) 
MerryBlooms
(11,903 posts)To try the new format. If you and others automatically dismissed all those notifications, and chose not to familiarize yourself with the new format, or decide Skinner was best for you, I don't know what to say. DU Admins gave us lots of time and yellow notifications.
Changing over during mid day today was appropriate. When you have this many users testing your new system, you don't do it without knowing it's solid. Sure, a few bugs to be worked out, but the integration has been beaut!
Hang in there, you and everyone else will be okay! 🥰😘🤗
PJMcK
(23,009 posts)Change is that hard for you?
Peace out, friend.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,169 posts)tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)Every time windows was updated there were many who would complain about the new program. Just take a little time to get used to it, it is fine.
tinymontgomery
(2,684 posts)Basic LA
(2,047 posts)It's the same either way on my phone. I'll just have to get used to it.
Peppertoo
(435 posts)onetexan
(13,913 posts)New UI is much faster & i'm not encountering the wierd formatting issues on mobile devices or browser.
Yonnie3
(18,197 posts)The new navigation will take some getting used to for me, but it is logical. In a day or two I'll be up to speed.
i regret not spending enough time on the Beta site.
budkin
(6,849 posts)- Garth Algar, Wayne’s World
40RatRod
(560 posts)Agree
Siwsan
(27,352 posts)They layout is different but once I figured my way around it's been a relatively easy adjustment for me.
I love the option to recommend a response.
LiberalArkie
(16,658 posts)I have been used to information on most places being tightly packed on the screen. It is interesting on a 40" monitor. A lot of eye exercise. Not necessarily bad mind you, just different
Blues Heron
(6,230 posts)my stuff? really? 2003 wants their `stuff` back 
if..fish..had..wings
(827 posts)I'm sorry, but this new layout is very wrong, difficult to navigate, difficult to read and is buggy as can be.
I have large colored "buttons" everywhere with no text. I have to hover to figure out what they are for.
None of the formerly easily available links is easily available and I don't feel like spending weeks trying to find something that used to be RIGHT THERE.
Sorry, ugh, hate it.
edisdead
(3,359 posts)That should be fixed. I was hyper critical for this and the realized the css files were likely cached or still pointing to the old stylesheets. A couple hours later and the stylesheets match up with the objects and the format is way better. Still maybe not my design cup of tea but it looks much better and functions well.
winstars
(4,250 posts)Been here since 2001...
Way too much white space.
Dark Mode is... way too much dark space
Its way too much white, too bright.
Skinner Dark Mode would make it better for me but nt available.
Hate the layout too.
Parzival72
(16 posts)I haven't noticed anything really wrong with the new format. I don't see the big deal.
Martin68
(24,732 posts)
hunter
(39,059 posts)I haven't yet migrated to slab cell phones, tablets, or touch screens and tend to do everything I can from the keyboard. I remember using Lynx as my go-to browser like it was yesterday. Maybe that's why I find DU4 so alien.
By tomorrow I ought to be navigating this place as deftly as I ever have.
GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)FHRRK
(980 posts)But have been reading DU for years.
I am with you. Don't see the need for many of the comments.
That being said, as a non member, maybe I missed some functionality.
JackCoop
(119 posts)
Ocelot II
(121,497 posts)But then I'm usually flexible and accepting of change, since change happens whether I like it or not.
JohnSJ
(96,812 posts)A lot of work was done building this platform, and all you can do is bash it without even be specific about what you don’t like
How can anyone take your insulting comment seriously
Chautauquas
(4,472 posts)After just one day I'm already getting used to it and enjoying it.
NewDayOranges
(731 posts)snot
(10,812 posts)The new format makes that difficult.
TheProle
(3,097 posts)And my dog.