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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/10/24/2201422/-Powell-declares-her-plea-deal-was-extortedPowell declares her plea deal was extorted.
Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:34:23p EDT
shmuelman
It didnt even take a week...
When asked if anyone has forced, threatened or promised her anything in exchange for her guilty plea, Powell responded, "other than what is recited in the documents, no."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sidney-powell-pleads-guilty-georgia-2020-election-case-fulton-county/
She should have her plea withdrawn and she should stand trial. No judge should accept a plea that the defendant said was coerced or extorted. If she believes she is innocent of wrongdoing, a plea is not acceptable.
I have stated over and over that central figures of the criminal prosecution of the 2020 sedition cannot walk away without punishment. She has already avoided disbarment in Texas. She raised at least $14mm in donations. For her to plead guilty to misdemeanors and basically walk away with no sanction of prison time because, you know, she may (or may not) bring some evidence against Trump or someone else who will get a sweet plea deal, is not acceptable. She could have also gotten a year in prison as part of the plea to avoid the RICO prosecution. To me it is starting to appear that the lawyers are being extended professional courtesy, as Giulianis claim that everything he did was just part of his job as a lawyer soliciting for his client. And obviously, she sees the civil cases against her as bullshit, she can drag it out for years, and then drag out paying money for years more, all the while raising more money.
Maeve
(43,015 posts)2naSalit
(93,294 posts)Didn't have that on my BINGO card!
Attilatheblond
(4,499 posts)It is pure arrogance that holds her up. She'll sell any bag of crap she thinks will pay for her, one way or another.
WhiteTara
(30,201 posts)her tears were for her getting caught, not that she is a criminal.
Attilatheblond
(4,499 posts)'Boo hoo, I got held accountable for trying to overthrow the will of American voters. Boo hoo. Don't they know I'm special so I can do any ol thing...'
She gives women a bad name.
WhiteTara
(30,201 posts)she is sickening and thinks she's so smart and special...she was at the table with the big boys and they even let her say some shit.
2naSalit
(93,294 posts)Kind of character she has, I just figured she'd have the sense to at least wait until she was out of danger. But then, on top of her ego, she's truly a nutcase so anticipating that she might have sense was out of line on my part.
barbtries
(29,939 posts)doesn't she hang out with Mike Flynn?
Cha
(305,812 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,583 posts)Prosecutor tells it like it is: You can do a plea deal, or you go to jail on a guilty conviction because I've got the goods on you.
All of it's true. It's reality. But Sidney views it as bullying, and that turns into extortion. Sidney is too easy to figure out. But this is great. Some guy in Maine kills nearly two dozen people and injures dozens, and Sidney Powell is moaning that she's being bullied by a special prosecutor.
Cha
(305,812 posts)was given a choice.. she chose to Not go down for the Traitor.
The magats always have a way to make themselves the Eternal Victim of thei own illegal actions.
Free will, syd.
Hugin
(34,728 posts)And what she says in court are two separate things. Unfortunately, a judge only hears what is said in court. Unless, violations are brought up by the Prosecution and it is a process.
Its very apparent that none of the three who have struck plea deals so far have any remorse for their participation in this crime.
so VERY much that NONE of them have shown ANY remorse. I don't give a shit that Ellis cried in court yesterday - the only thing she is sorry for is getting caught.
And piss on ALL of them who want it in the written records that these were not crimes of MORAL TURPITUDE.
(Sorry for my language but this makes me quite mad.)
Hugin
(34,728 posts)Is that the prosecutors are building a case for the big event against the core criminals which relies on very specific testimony from this flotsam.
I really dont like the concept of plea deals. But, when you are swimming in an ocean of liars, you have to get the truth out of them somehow.
Ohioboy
(3,492 posts)iluvtennis
(20,941 posts)Windicator
(157 posts)But they are repubes, and so they keep on lying, lying, lying.
Sick.
barbtries
(29,939 posts)of course they are. i wonder what they would consider to be a crime of moral turpitude.
ugh. that reminded me of condoleeza rice acting all righteous and saying "don't you impugn my integrity" - your what? how can i impugn what you don't even have?
Walleye
(36,311 posts)She needs to sit in a small cell for at least 30 days and think about what shes done. No social media
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)These are irredeemable wise asses. One would have to be a wise ass to find themselves in this situation.
stuck in the middle
(821 posts)Her plea should be revoked.
onecaliberal
(36,264 posts)redqueen
(115,172 posts)D23MIURG23
(3,095 posts)She attested IN COURT that her plea was not coerced. Was that perjury then?
You'd think this would violate the terms of the plea agreement at very least.
LuckyCharms
(19,112 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(12,690 posts)no_hypocrisy
(49,144 posts)No effin' way.
Nobody forces you to accept an offer of an alternative plea. You even put it on the record that it was a voluntary acceptance.
There is no such thing as a metaphorical/figurative extortion.
If you accept, you get a better deal than if you were convicted, possibly being given the full penalties of your conviction(s).
If you decline, it's really a status quo: You have your due process rights preserved in a right to trial with all the protections. You haven't lost anything.
And as an attorney, she knows better than to say smack about her plea deal.
dembotoz
(16,922 posts)happened to a friend who just got off paper.
district attorney has all kinds of resources. defendant has maybe public defender?
small town courts side with the prosecution like always.......
matlock was just a fantasy tv show.......
The smart move is to take the plea deal innocent or not....The DA is gonna go for your throat.
Small pain vs big pain.
the justice system is a joke
LuckyCharms
(19,112 posts)Haul her ass back in.
RELEASE THE KRAKEN.
Jesus, this has me irrationally riled up.
malaise
(278,668 posts)The fuck up
That is all
bullimiami
(13,996 posts)She is guilty by plea. That is a done deal.
She should be brought back to court and given the consequences of the violation.
Monetary or jail time. This is for the DA to ask and the judge to administer.
getagrip_already
(17,526 posts)From all that nonsensical verbiage, it's hard to determine what content she controls and what is merely in her despicable orbit.
Her dark money group? Who are they? What control does she have? Her social media accounts? What did she say and when?
I'm not saying she isn't a slippery lying lizard, just that there is so little specific content in the op it is hard to tell what you are saying.
Quakerfriend
(5,663 posts)she said that indicates that her plea was forced.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,679 posts)and a link to its newsletter, which has the "extorted" claim (it's repeating what another far right outlet said).
Takket
(22,644 posts)Part of a plea should be you stop lying.
tanyev
(44,700 posts)If you're not devoted enough to go to jail for their lord and savior Donald Trump, then they will be done with you.
agingdem
(8,541 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 25, 2023, 09:44 AM - Edit history (1)
if she tells the truth every time she is asked to testify, the plea deal stays in place (and you can bet her testimony has been parsed, investigated, and corroborated ten different ways)... if she lies, the plea deal is off...as for "coercion", I suspect when her "I have a 1st amendment right to vomit conspiracy bullshit and steal voter data" appeal was denied, the prospect of years of jail time and hefty lawyers fees was all the "coercion" she needed to flip...
gab13by13
(25,371 posts)she is looking for self-preservation, she doesn't want to get Epsteined.
People fear Trump, that's why they don't flip on him.
Everyone needs to clam down, Fani Willis is running a pyramid strategy that actually works. There is a delay for the next trial, when it gets closer there will be more flippers.
Trump would love for Fani to revoke the Kraken plea deal, he wants people to go to jail for him, plus Fani's trials are on schedule to happen pre-election.
Fani is good at RICO prosecutions, that's why Georgia Magats will try to remove her from office.
I trust in Fani.
Attilatheblond
(4,499 posts)Jim__
(14,498 posts)yardwork
(64,703 posts)PSPS
(14,190 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(102,679 posts)Here: https://defendingtherepublic.substack.com/p/thank-you-for-your-continuing-support
Margot Cleveland at The Federalist
Sidney Powell's Plea Proves Fulton County DA Went Nuclear To Get Trump
QUOTE: The bottom line is this: Willis basically extorted a guilty plea from Powell by charging her with seven serious felonies, including a RICO conspiracy count, two counts of conspiracy to commit election fraud, and one count each of conspiracy to commit computer theft, conspiracy to commit computer trespass, conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy, and conspiracy to defraud the state.
...
Follow Our Progress on Social Media:
Sidney on Twitter - @SidneyPowell1
DefendingTheRepublic.org
SidneyPowell on GETTR
Sidney on Telegram
"Our" means "Sidney and one more site". The hilarious thing is the "exortion" consists of "charges". A lawyer is repeating that if someone agrees to a plea deal, they have been "extorted", because otherwise they'd have to fight charges in court.
More on "Defending the Republic":
An attorney for Powell said at the time that, We have always known the more effective we are, the more the false attacks will intensify. Defending the Republic has and will continue to fight for #WeThePeople who make this country work.
...
Powell is now limited in what she can say publicly about the Georgia case. But her nonprofit, Defending the Republic, asked followers for forbearance in a Friday newsletter distributed via the Substack platform: We at Defending the Republic appreciate your patience, support, and understanding of Sidneys decision regarding the Georgia case.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/21/sidney-powell-trump-georgia-election-case/
PSPS
(14,190 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(102,679 posts)I cannot fathom why some people here, like you, are looking for excuses for her. What gives?
FBaggins
(27,795 posts)The only statement attributed to her is the standard form for that interaction with a judge.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,679 posts)It's actually there. Look, here's the first time she reposted it - from Saturday:
Margot Cleveland at The Federalist
Sidney Powell's Plea Proves Fulton County DA Went Nuclear To Get Trump
QUOTE: The bottom line is this: Willis basically extorted a guilty plea from Powell by charging her with seven serious felonies, including a RICO conspiracy count, two counts of conspiracy to commit election fraud, and one count each of conspiracy to commit computer theft, conspiracy to commit computer trespass, conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy, and conspiracy to defraud the state.
https://defendingtherepublic.substack.com/p/good-news-saturday-102123
Why the rush to make excuses for her? This is Sidney Powell we're talking about.
PSPS
(14,190 posts)And, even your quote is "from Saturday," which is three days before her plea. So this is nothing but the usual Dailykos forum mishmash intended to get clicks and rile people up. Geesh!
muriel_volestrangler
(102,679 posts)BY KATE BRUMBACK
Updated 11:10 PM GMT+1, October 19, 2023
Share
ATLANTA (AP) Lawyer Sidney Powell pleaded guilty to reduced charges Thursday over efforts to overturn Donald Trumps loss in the 2020 election in Georgia, becoming the second defendant in the sprawling case to reach a deal with prosecutors.
Powell, who was charged alongside Trump and 17 others with violating the states anti-racketeering law, entered the plea just a day before jury selection was set to start in her trial. She pleaded guilty to six misdemeanors accusing her of conspiring to intentionally interfere with the performance of election duties.
https://apnews.com/article/sidney-powell-plea-deal-georgia-election-indictment-ec7dc601ad78d756643aa2544028e9f5
Yes, someone else wrote an opinion piece, which Powell has repeated - twice. In case everyone didn't get the message that she agrees with it. With the argument in bold and everything.
I don't get why a DUer is so desperate to favour Sidney Powell over Daily Kos, when Daily Kos is showing what she's saying. Did they ban you or something?
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)PSPS
(14,190 posts)"The newsletter"
"dark money group"
This hardly constitutes her own utterance. This is someone else's opinion. But. then, Dailykos needs them clicks!!11!!
gab13by13
(25,371 posts)I was a subscriber for several years. It may be too far left for some. 😊
William Seger
(11,108 posts)And I do wish that when a DK article is just referencing and paraphrasing another article, people would please post a link to the source, not DK.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,679 posts)or to Google a phrase from the excerpt to find the original.
William Seger
(11,108 posts)... and I assume that DUers are checking the sources for a story like this.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,201 posts)... to post links and carefully selected key excerpts.
One minute (60 seconds) taken by a poster frequently saves 20 seconds effort by a couple hundred readers, maybe over a thousand.
20 x 200 = 4000 seconds = over one hour
Giving one minute of poster's time saves DU members an hour. One minute for an hour is a good tradeoff, such an easy thing to do, giving back to DU.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,679 posts)It takes no more time to post a corrected link than to post saying "the link inside the DK post wasn't given properly".
gab13by13
(25,371 posts)I do not click on right wing sites, it is much better for my health.
I am sure that the Kraken plea deal was recorded, that is what will be played in court.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)marmar
(78,081 posts)underpants
(187,192 posts)If thats the right word.
gab13by13
(25,371 posts)I have yet to see an article that I agree with. I looked on my computer home page and found a recent BI article that bashes Chuck Schumer's bill to reduce fees for swiping credit cards.
underpants
(187,192 posts)Not as bad as PoliticsUSA which is clickbait trash.
RSherman
(576 posts)gab13by13
(25,371 posts)CNN is certainly right wing. Show me an article from businessinsider that is leftist.
KPN
(16,160 posts)subscription for about half of their articles. They definitely lean left from my experience. Not far left, but left of center for sure. That's my opinion based on when I visited their site frequently -- which has been a couple years now. I do still click on links to their site when I see them elsewhere -- and my opinion from those articles hasn't changed.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,201 posts)Wall Street Journal reporting seems to be kind of neutral and factual.
WSJ editorial board is decidedly right wing and wrong.
Another issue is editorial/production allocation of time/space. Reporting might be neutral but if stories are presented on particular topics more so than others, the net effect can be somewhat biased. For example if more stories appear about Biden gaffes than about tRump brain fades, word salad, and other signs of senility, then the net effect can be anti-Biden / pro-tRump even while each report can be neutral.
Similarly, choice of guests is important.
mn9driver
(4,590 posts)Was she lying when she entered her plea, or is she lying now?
Sanity Claws
(22,058 posts)She is on probation and clearly still under the court's jurisdiction. No way should she be allowed to do this and taint all of the pleas bargains, as well as her own.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,201 posts)Historic NY
(38,022 posts)....she may have just fucked around now and will find herself deeper in the find out consequences of these actions she is now spreading.
liberalla
(10,079 posts)If she is "taking it back", then she should be charged with the felonies she has committed, and kiss the misdemeanors goodbye.
FAFO, bitch!
Layzeebeaver
(1,875 posts)Marble Freedom Trust = 1.6 Billion donation
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/22/politics/dark-money-donation-conservative-group-invs/index.html
BigOleDummy
(2,274 posts)... Thank you for posting it. I've said it before and will undoubtedly say it again "Citizens United" was one of the most catastrophic rulings to ever come down from the S.C. Look at the havoc its caused already and be afraid of where it leads. Imh of course.
Autumn
(46,642 posts)bigmonk
(90 posts)Before this has any creditability, it needs a better source. The DailyKos is cool but it's not a major news organization. Wait before believing this.
gab13by13
(25,371 posts)It certainly leans left, one of the few that does.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,679 posts)There's a link in reply #43.
and #38 has a link to the Insider article, that DK is quoting.
It's not that hard to find this stuff with Google. We don't have to "wait".
muriel_volestrangler
(102,679 posts)Wounded Bear
(60,807 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(102,679 posts)They go on to slag off the inhabitants of Fulton County as too Democratic to be trusted in a jury, and say that Powell couldn't risk losing her law license (hah! She's got no reputation left any more, and any self-respecting bar will disqualify her anyway), so she had been "extorted" into agreeing the deal. It's a joke, but Republican lawyers don't have to worry about that, these days - their donors will pay for any old shit.
Maraya1969
(23,022 posts)the judge could force me to go to trial. I actually didn't think I was guilty but I told the judge I was.
And this woman is a lawyer???? She must have some sort of problem with her brain.
Pepsidog
(6,317 posts)example, about the time the pandemic started I was hired to represent a man charged with aggravate sexual assault. He was charged with having sex with a 13 yo girl of a family friend he lived with. It was by no means and open and shut case, my client had several defenses and the victims credibility was questionably. I think he could have won the case but if he didnt and the jury found he guilty he would serve 25 years in prison without parole.
Because the pandemic stopped jury trials for 2 years he spent 2 years in the county jail. When trials resumed he was offered 5 years flat which means he would be immediately eligible for parole. He took that deal because if he didnt and lost at trial he would spend the rest of his life in prison. Did he really have a choice? He said all the right words during his plea elocution and admitted he had sex with the minor. Im not so sure he was guilty but the downside to jury was just way to massive to take the risk.
Criminal defendants often take a plea deal especially one like Powells to avoid exposure to prison. I think she took a first offender program that already had an alternative sentence if she violated her plea deal. As I recall, I wasnt impressed by the penalties she would face if she did violate her agreement.
TygrBright
(20,987 posts)Chakaconcarne
(2,732 posts)Emile
(30,676 posts)allow them to go unpunished and Trump will still walk away free. My God I hope I'm wrong.
pansypoo53219
(21,782 posts)Ocelot II
(121,381 posts)Betcha kroner to kruggerrands she and the other flippers are getting death threats by the dozen.
redqueen
(115,172 posts)no sympathy as they reap the whirlwind
Ocelot II
(121,381 posts)and try to hang vice presidents, don't be surprised when they turn on you, too.
Redleg
(6,245 posts)We must be correct!
AkFemDem
(2,193 posts)I watched the full Jenna Ellis one yesterday (not just the crying snippet everyone keeps posting) and one thing that stood out was part of the plea instructions (and she had to agree affirmatively to each point) was that she would not discuss the case at all in the media, on social media, or with any other co-defendants. I wonder if Powell had similar limitations imposed?
Wonder Why
(4,706 posts)asked him questions on every aspect of his plea, from whether he had consulted his lawyers to whether he was on any medications that would affect his thinking. It was question after question to be sure that he was being treated fairly and he was sure he wanted to plea guilty as well as to be sure he understood and freely accepted the consequences.
Instead of letting Powell withdraw the plea, she should be brought back to court and be required to testify under oath whether her plea was extorted. If she says it was, then she should be charged with felony purgery for lying to the judge under oath. If she says that she was not, she should be warned that continuing to make those claims will result in a Contempt and possible jail time.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,583 posts)But play the victim once you get let off the hook?
Willis should be calling off the deal and give her a number for a jail cell. Powell wants it both ways. NO DEAL.
Bluethroughu
(5,941 posts)Anyone about this trial, and the judge also stated they could modify the plea if they wanted.
She busted. Bye bye.
riversedge
(73,379 posts)republianmushroom
(18,125 posts)Don't like it void the deal and go to trial. Very simple.
But she won't because she is guilty and would go to prison.
Snooper9
(484 posts)NT
BobTheSubgenius
(11,807 posts)"...participating in the most common practice that takes place multiple times daily, and keeps the justice system from grinding to a halt under the sheer weight of taking every case to trial."
Cooperate, or come out of prison stooped over and pushing a walker. You are tiny potatoes, smalls. Be grateful, STFU and go away. Far away.
Zambero
(9,780 posts)Powell apparently wishes to restore her whacko reputation and go through with a trial.
ShazamIam
(2,723 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(12,690 posts)Haul her ass back in court. Throw said ass in jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200.
Kaleva
(38,502 posts)with what she states in court
barbtries
(29,939 posts)roll the dice you fucking traitor. (Not the OP!! Powell!!)
moniss
(6,114 posts)Powell's attorney that since Sydney is so unhappy with her situation the plea agreement is canceled and she is now back in line for trial on felony charges in the RICO case. I think it would be wise anyway because I think Powell was going to try to pull a Manafort so to speak as far as cooperation. Also it would be interesting to know if someone "visited" her or had a discussion about being "loyal" and how important that is to a certain someone with incredibly small hands.
Ilsa
(62,276 posts)please deal.
Maybe she's saying this so the MAGAts won't torture and kill her.
LiberalArkie
(16,644 posts)swong19104
(344 posts)And when found guilty, apply the strongest, harshest penalty available. And add some more to that for reneging on a plea deal.
NowISeetheLight
(3,991 posts)Strange verbiage. " Other than what was recited...". It's very vague. Do you mean everything you said was extorted? What document? Lawyer mumbo-jumbo. She can't just give a clear answer to anything. She has to keep the grift train rolling. Those losers who believe her wouldn't pay to see her like Mike Flynn and Stone at their radical rallies if she wasn't a "Victim of the deep state conspiracy" (how I imagine she'll play this).
mucifer
(24,922 posts)No I dont feel sorry for her. Just saying it could be why and I dont really care.
Warpy
(113,131 posts)"Take this deal and you'll be out of prison faster" is the usual plea bargain.
In her case, it was to give testimony in exchange for avoiding prosecution, altogether. Guess Fat Donny called her up and cussed her out, threatened her dog, whatever, then told the press he had no idea who she was, never met her.
Guess she just can't stand not being in that orange glow of what is probably mutual narcissism.
Cha
(305,812 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,688 posts)Offered an option to avoid potential harm by the person who can cause that harm? When you say extortion people think of the nice place you got here, would be a shame, if something happened to it type of thing the mob does. They can try to rewrite it as Jack Smith was saying. nice freedom youre enjoying Sidney Powell. It would be a shame if you didnt take this plea deal, and we had to put you on trial and potentially in jail
When law enforcement does it its called strong-arming, but she didnt have to take the deal if she didnt want to. This is most likely just showing that side of her to her donors so the money doesnt cut off.
Iggo
(48,482 posts)Quanto Magnus
(1,029 posts)in front of the Judge.
Any 'interview/statement/random blather' outside of the court should be immediately suspect.
PlutosHeart
(1,445 posts)bailing her and the golden toilet king out.
ecstatic
(34,500 posts)Throw the fucking book at her lying ass. I reject her fake ass apology and it's time for her to do some actual time behind bars.
SKKY
(12,285 posts)...stay F'd off. I am literally so sick and tired of this whole thing. No plea deals, no agreements, nothing. Have a trial and take your chances. Seriously though, this is exhausting.
struggle4progress
(120,506 posts)but when Quinn the Eskimo gets here, all the pigeons gonna run to him ...