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“Congo will be willing to take in migrants and we’re in talks with others,” the Hebrew news site quoted a senior source in Israel’s security cabinet as saying. The site also quoted Israel’s Intelligence Minister Gila Gamliel advocating for the displacement of Gaza residents.
“At the end of the war… There will be no work, and 60% of Gaza’s agricultural land will become security buffer zones,” said Gamliel, according to Zman Yisrael.
Rights advocates have slammed war-time calls to push Palestinians out of Gaza, calling them efforts to ethnically cleanse the besieged Palestinian enclave for good. On Tuesday, even the US, a staunch backer of Israel and its war on Gaza, spoke out against resettlement plans advocated by Israeli ministers, with State Department spokesman Matthew Miller calling the rhetoric “inflammatory and irresponsible”.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/1/3/israel-hamas-war-live-hezbollah-vows-revenge-for-israeli-strike-on-beirut
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Pachamama
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Celerity
(47,145 posts)madness
malaise
(279,462 posts)and never forget that anyone who fights back is a terrorist - a complete inversion of reality. 
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rubbersole
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BeyondGeography
(40,106 posts)which was proposed and debated for a couple of years in the early 20th century before an unenthusiastic Zionist Congress investigated it and voted it down.
Israel continues to inflict indignities that were once heaped upon the Jewish people on Palestinian Arabs.
Bucky
(55,334 posts)The proposal is ludicrous and is probably not even serious. I can't imagine the scale of the project being workable or the number of companies that would be willing to take this transport contracts, let alone how they'd actually get the Palestinians loaded up
brush
(58,288 posts)This won't work. Sorta of like slavery was the original sin of America, the expulsion of the Arabs in '48 is the original sin, and thee will never be peace until a land for the Palestinians in the region is created.
The spin cycle of war, ceasefire, war, ceasefire...rinse and repeat will keep on until...
2naSalit
(94,043 posts)Military transport for that.
But it's not ethnic cleansing because it's israel.
TheRealNorth
(9,629 posts)At least some will seek a way out. That's what the plan is.
claudette
(4,763 posts)happened to “Never again?” It should apply to ALL people 🥲
As Mr. Desantis would say, the Holy Land is where ‘never again’ went to die.
enid602
(9,104 posts)Or the establishment of Liberia for newly freed slaves in the US.
stupid idiot idea won't work. WTF!!!!
ExciteBike66
(2,657 posts)2naSalit
(94,043 posts)Rmoney's "self deportation". This is what it looks like, this and the US version; buses of immigrants shipped to northern cities.
It's clearly ethnic cleansing on speed dial, they have been trying the slow approach for decades and got impatient. Now, bibi's all about it to cover his corrupt ass and his decades of criminal behavior.
pinkstarburst
(1,563 posts)1) One of these is ethnic cleansing.
2) The other--bussing of migrants in the US from the border where there are no support systems in place or resources to care for them to major cities across the country where there ARE resources and support systems in place to care for them simply makes sense. In December of 2023, the US allowed 225,000 migrants to cross the southern border (just in one month.) Those 225,000 homeless migrants have to go somewhere. Surely you were not expecting them to all stay in the southern border states?
The NIMBYism of some on this board is appalling, as it the attitude of saying out of one side of our mouths "oh yes, let's help these people I support immigration" while saying out of the other side of our mouths "as long as one of those busses never shows up in MY CITY where I might have to look at a migrant, have one in my child's school, or have my tax dollars expected to support them."
NIMBYism, folks, plain and simple. We need to do better. Immigration is a NATIONAL ISSUE, not just a headache for the border states to deal with which you can feel good about as long as the problem is invisible to you where you live.
2naSalit
(94,043 posts)Ill informed response. You have no idea who I am or what I know. I am not responding at an emotive level so take that and use it as you will.
AloeVera
(2,131 posts)Reminiscent of olive groves destroyed.
They are making sure no one can live in Gaza.
Where the hell is the U.S. and EU? State issues a warning about " inflammatory rhetoric" while saying nothing about the actual crimes committed right under their noses. Unbelievable.
Bettie
(17,475 posts)very soon and if they allow any Gazans to remain in Gaza, the settlers will kill them and take their land as they do in the West Bank.
But, can't call it ethnic cleansing....even if that's what it looks like.
obamanut2012
(27,953 posts)Textbook definition.
This is a war crime and a major human rights violation.
Bettie
(17,475 posts)but there are many here who believe that ethic cleansing can not be done by Israel because....reasons.
I've not said much on this, because people are so caught up in "If Israel does it, it is automatically right and good" that it is hard to say anything, because any criticism of that nation is considered anti-semitic.
So, I get you. We're on the same page.
obamanut2012
(27,953 posts)I was agreeing with you, but what I wrote reads as a tad snarky.
We are 100% on the same page.
Goddessartist
(2,067 posts)genocidal maniacs.
Truly disgusting and the world does nothing.
2naSalit
(94,043 posts)Is doing it.
Ever since I learned the truth about the decades long conflict, I have had diminishing genuine positive regard for that "country" and its governing entities. They lost my respect a looong time ago because of this attitude.
Goddessartist
(2,067 posts)I lost that regard 30 years ago when I started really following what was happening.
2naSalit
(94,043 posts)But I learned early from the Jews in my family so it's not like I was going with the popular narrative that we've been fed all this time. It pisses me off that as soon as a critical word about that "country" is uttered you are called antisemitic because, I guess, the inhabitants are forever deemed the ultimate victims of the universe for all time and anyone opposing that concept are to be ostracized for not buying the narrative. Yeah, some of my relatives died during the holocaust but we never gave them sainthood for their murders.
The problem is that we lionize people for a positive narrative without seeing the warts and hairs and offering up an air of perfection about them. Simplification in most matters is not wise.
Goddessartist
(2,067 posts)thank you. One of my brothers and a nephew called me a 'Jew hater' for criticizing the State of Israel's actions many years ago, so there's the false narrative in action. Of course, though, they are right wingers. I have nothing to do with them at all.
It's very sad, the entirety of it. Israel's leaders have gazed into the abyss.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”
Nietzsche
enid602
(9,104 posts)I hate to seem naive and ill informed, but I could not believe that Israel had enacted a blockade against Gaza in 2006. Has been in effect off and on (mostly on) since then. Liberal Western democracies simply do not do that to people within their own borders.
We could have gone the same way, had it not been for FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ and too many civil rights leaders to mention.
obamanut2012
(27,953 posts)Just terrible.
Joinfortmill
(16,781 posts)
multigraincracker
(34,530 posts)Need more illegal Gods.
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)It seems to have been the Zionist plan all along.
(I know that some may find this inappropriate, because it is not a "Democratic" person saying this, but sometimes this person who some call Libertarian, can be right on some issues, like this one.)
From Caitlin Johnstone's recent article on Substack:
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/theyre-calling-ethnic-cleansing-voluntary
The plot to relocate Palestinians from territories desired by Israel is also far from new. In a 2002 article for The Guardian titled “A new exodus for the Middle East?”, Israeli historian Benny Morris writes that the agenda to “transfer” Palestinians to other countries has existed for as long as modern Zionism:
“The idea of transfer is as old as modern Zionism and has accompanied its evolution and praxis during the past century. And driving it was an iron logic: There could be no viable Jewish state in all or part of Palestine unless there was a mass displacement of Arab inhabitants, who opposed its emergence and would constitute an active or potential fifth column in its midst. This logic was understood, and enunciated, before and during 1948, by Zionist, Arab and British leaders and officials.
“As early as 1895, Theodor Herzl, the prophet and founder of Zionism, wrote in his diary in anticipation of the establishment of the Jewish state: ‘We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country … The removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.’”
This is a very, very old agenda, being presented as something brand new that is only just occurring to Israeli officials just now. They didn’t just come up with this. It’s been fantasized about for as long as Israel was a twinkle in its founding fathers’ eyes.
This is the real objective in Gaza. Not the “elimination of Hamas” (whatever the hell you want to pretend that would look like in practice), but the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip.
I believe that some of us have been saying this for some bit of time now. Please understand that we are not anti-Semitic, we are against this sort of thing. We deplore violence, and always believe that the only way to end violence is not with more violence, but with negotiation. Negotiation even with those who seem to refuse to negotiate with you. It can be done. We just need the will to end the violence, not encourage more of it, by retaliating violently.
madaboutharry
(41,418 posts)FWIW, Caitlin Johnstone is a far-left Israel hater and self avowed socialist and anarchist.
Agreed that this is a stupid and destructive idea coming out of the far-right, but it should not serve as a blanket condemnation of an entire country.
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)Then please educate me as to what the Zionist plan was. I read it to say that Israel should only be a home for Jews, and that others were not welcome, and should not be allowed to live there.
madaboutharry
(41,418 posts)Tell that to the two million Arab-Israelis, Bedouins, Druze, and others who live in Israel and have citizenship.
Nice try.
obamanut2012
(27,953 posts)madaboutharry
(41,418 posts)I have no answer for when there will be a Palestinian state, but what you posted is flat out wrong.
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)Does not call for a 2 state solution.
They want a total Jewish State. That tells me that they do not want others. Their actions also tell me the same thing.
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism. You might find some interesting stuff there that you did not know.
Voltaire2
(14,999 posts)Obviously she only has intelligent things to say, so best not to listen.
By the way your fallacy is Ad hominem.
Xolodno
(6,787 posts)...a socialist and anarchist at the same time? One wild comment.
Voltaire2
(14,999 posts)anarchist theory and anarcho-socialism, or libertarian socialism is one of them.
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madaboutharry
(41,418 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 3, 2024, 02:03 PM - Edit history (1)
This idea is currently being pilloried and condemned in Israel media. I am currently watching a newscast from Israel in which the commentators are aghast and calling it nothing less than destructive in several ways.
This is only further evidence that Netanyahu and his cabal of right-wing nut jobs need to be gone sooner than later. Netanyahu currently has a 15% approval rating. A change in government will bring sane minds replacing these Likud extremists.
Calling Israelis genocidal maniacs because of the actions of a group of politicians who no longer represent the majority of the people is simply wrong. Not all Americans are MAGA and most would say it is inaccurate to categorize all Americans that way.
On edit: It needs to be noted that this is coming from two far right extremists, Smotrich and Ben Gvir. Although they are MKs, they don’t make government policy on their own. No one should take their irresponsible rhetoric for anything other than the bullshit it is.
Bettie
(17,475 posts)but the right wing loves him and he comes back each and every time. They obviously have enough power to keep him, or someone farther to the right, in power.
dalton99a
(85,169 posts)
sarisataka
(21,340 posts)And his compatriots must be voted out.
Takket
(22,701 posts)
David__77
(23,879 posts)I inadvertently posted a duplicate of this story from Times of Israel. I'm glad, at least, that the story is being reported.
Donkees
(32,511 posts)UN special rapporteur calls forcible transfer of Palestinians ‘act of genocide’
Balakrishnan Rajagopal says on X: “Forcible transfer of Gazan population is an act of genocide especially given the high number of children.”
“Congolese or other States officials will be guilty of aiding and abetting genocide if they agree to any transfer of population,” he warned.
Link to tweet
David__77
(23,879 posts)The military and political strategy of Israel is to depopulate Gaza. The US will need to make some choices.
NoRethugFriends
(3,115 posts)Voltaire2
(14,999 posts)Coincidentally accompanied by a rather large gift of weapons.
David__77
(23,879 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,629 posts)Netenyahu is making Biden look weak.
Beastly Boy
(11,486 posts)I want to verify who in Israel is in what kind of talks with whom to send which Palestinians from Gaza to whom in Congo or other countries and who gave Al Jazeera any information on any of this shit.
Eko
(8,706 posts)It was a whole 3 posts up from yours and put in a scant 8 hours and 33 min before your post. Way easy to miss.
Here is the link.
Israeli officials said in talks with Congo, others on taking in Gaza emigrants- Times of Israel.
As far as whom it is Intelligence Minister Gila Gamliel. Do you need to see the candle stick in the library as well?
Beastly Boy
(11,486 posts)Anything in the header. The article you cited pretty much reports the whole story as a rumor (the Israeli official is said to be in talks).. the “said” to be in talks is apparently missing from the OP. No one in Uganda or anywhere else in the world appears to be taking part in the rumored talks. The denials of the accuracy of this rumor were already issued by the Israeli government.
Just as I expected.
Did you notice the kneejerk panicked responses to this red herring of an OP?
Mission accomplished !
Eko
(8,706 posts)US State Department. https://id.usembassy.gov/u-s-state-department-spokesperson-matthew-miller-on-rejection-of-irresponsible-statements-on-resettlement-of-palestinians-outside-of-gaza/
Culture and Sports Minister Miki Zohar and minister without portfolio Yifat Shasha-Biton both voiced criticism of Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir’s calls for “voluntary emigration” in separate interviews with the Ynet news site on Thursday morning
https://www.timesofisrael.com/likud-minister-slams-smotrich-ben-gvirs-unrealistic-call-for-gazan-emigration/
As far as the talks with people in the Congo sure that might be true it might not, it doesnt change that the statement was real does it?
Beastly Boy
(11,486 posts)So the Israeli official quoted by your source said nothing that resembles anything in the header. The article you cited pretty much reports the whole story as a rumor (the Israeli official is said to be in talks).. The “said” to be in talks is apparently missing from the OP. No one in Congo or anywhere else in the world appears to be taking part in the rumored talks.
And, as your sources state, the US State Department and two Israeli ministers condemn the “ voluntary emigration” statement of the two other Israeli ministers.
No talks. No deportations. No Congo. No other countries.
And you remain oblivious to the kneejerk panicked responses throughout this thread to the rumors and speculations posted in the OP as if Israel just committed a war crime.
Mission accomplished ! Again!
I know enough to expect another meaningless protracted tiresome back and forth from you. Not happening this time.
I am out.
Eko
(8,706 posts)Sometimes though its necessary to check the media sites where information is coming from. I like to do that. Some people dont and then like to accuse them of pearl clutcher clickbait without doing so and just show their own bias on subjects. I happened to do so before responding back to you because I am used to the way you operate. Your claims of fake news!!!! and clickbait!! on subjects you dont agree with is pretty much your SOP. So, like I said I checked. Specifically I used media bias fact check because they are pretty good. Here is what they said about the site. "Overall, we rate the Times of Israel as Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact-check record." Clean fact check record. Now hey, you can argue that you think media bias is wrong, you can even argue that you think there were no talks, no talks of deportations, no Congo, no other Countries but you didnt do that. You didnt say that that was all what you thought, you stated it with no facts or backup for your position that it was true. Me, I used a publication that according to media bias, has a clean fact-check record. They also share their methodology here. But hey, I'm always glad to hear you tell me how things are with no facts to back it up.
Beastly Boy
(11,486 posts)Hint: It has to do with reporting facts vs reporting rumors as facts, and how reports of rumors generate fake outrage.
You don’t have to look hard, it’s obvious. All you need to do is look at what I posted and not what you pretend I posted.
Eko
(8,706 posts)People say things off the record all the time that are true.
Beastly Boy
(11,486 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 6, 2024, 09:25 PM - Edit history (1)
Do you prefer “lies”? “Shitty journalism”? “Whipping gullible masses into a frenzy of hating on Israel with bogus reporting”?
Take your pick if “rumors” is not to your liking.
And keep digging.
Eko
(8,706 posts)Pretty sure I don't prefer using Dennis Prager to prove my points either.
Keep on keeponing.
Eko.
Beastly Boy
(11,486 posts)Point yourself to anything I said that resembles anything like me asking for an opinion from a rumor mongering dimwit from Al Jazeera. I couldn't care less about his worthless opinion. In fact, I detest people who abuse access to media to peddle patently incendiary rumors.
I have a somewhat offbeat sense of humor, so your objections are more than welcome. So keep doing what you are doing. You have a reputation to maintain.
lapucelle
(19,640 posts)================================
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/1/3/israel-hamas-war-live-hezbollah-vows-revenge-for-israeli-strike-on-beirut
Eko
(8,706 posts)Everyone knows that when people deny something they have been accused of it becomes a fact that they were not doing that thing.
lapucelle
(19,640 posts)The Democratic Republic of Congo denies a report in The Times of Israel’s Hebrew sister site Zman Yisrael earlier this week claiming that Israel is in talks with the African country about it taking in thousands of refugees from Gaza.
There has “never been any form of negotiation, discussion or initiative” between Kinshasa and Israel about the reception of Palestinian migrants on Congolese soil, Congolese government spokesperson Patrick Muyaya says in a statement.
www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/congo-denies-that-its-in-talks-with-israel-about-taking-in-thousands-of-gaza-refugees/
Eko
(8,706 posts)Are you sure they were telling the truth?
lapucelle
(19,640 posts)(that you yourself insist is a respected and reliable source) reported that Congo denied the story. And then the story quickly evaporated into the ether, even in dodgy, agenda-driven sources like Al Jazeera.
The rumor might still be making it's way through the bowels of the internet, but I wouldn't know because I don't hang out there.
There may be some people who ask themselves questions like, "Can I be sure that the government of Congo is really telling the truth even though they have no reason to lie?"
I'm not one of them.
JohnSJ
(96,907 posts)against Israel, it doesn’t matter.
I am so through with this bullshit
This thread has exposed a lot of people here
JustAnotherGen
(33,958 posts)And for the record - I'm 100% against rapist terrorist Hamas who are the actual POLITICAL Leaders in Gaza and are just out here making stuff up . . .
Like a month old could grow up to be an IDF soldier they are holding him hostage.
You can't make this shit up John.
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TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)Egypt, Syria, Jordon, and Iraq who they sided with in a genocidal war and lost.
They can take the places of the hundreds of thousands of Jews that were purged.
Of course none of this is happening but if the Arabs that call themselves Palestinians want to inquire into a land they should be bothering their brothers who got theirs rightfully conquered in a war of agression but failing that finally take yes for an answer and govern themselves peaceably where they are and at long last give up on the middle east's version of The South Shall Rise Again!
David__77
(23,879 posts)AloeVera
(2,131 posts)They are not just talking, they are DOING. For the last 12 weeks! Which seems to be OK with the West and Israel's supporters so far. But TALKING about it is beyond the pale it seems.
If no one talks about it, it's not happening you see. We are in deep, deep denial and the awakening if it ever comes will be painful.
David__77
(23,879 posts)People have to create the pressure and raise the stakes so people with power think twice.
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Lonestarblue
(12,050 posts)them somewhere so they’re out of his way so he can have Gaza bulldozed and build his new high-tech area for right-wing settlers. I sincerely hope that world leaders push back on this nonsense. Netanyahu does not own Gaza, nor does he own the Palestinians to treat them as inconvenient pawns whose lives are unimportant to him. He and his supporters are truly evil.