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Beachnutt

(8,241 posts)
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 10:42 AM Feb 2024

Haley is staying in the race because

she knows there is a solid chance that trump will be convicted in a criminal court before the election and she will be right there for rethugs to pivot to her.
She has said that she would pardon trump so if trump is convicted and possibly jailed trump will throw support behind Haley to be pardoned.
Haley knows this but would not dare say it.
IMO.

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Haley is staying in the race because (Original Post) Beachnutt Feb 2024 OP
Or she's hoping he croaks before the election. Ocelot II Feb 2024 #1
She's very given to astrology and the occult, it's said - so they've likely told her just that peppertree Feb 2024 #26
Astrologist from California? LiberalFighter Feb 2024 #27
Probably from India peppertree Feb 2024 #30
hmmm NJCher Feb 2024 #37
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing that. peppertree Feb 2024 #57
so do I Bird Lady Feb 2024 #28
Exactly, keeping in the conversation as Plan B JCMach1 Feb 2024 #51
She has plenty of money, so why not? Dulcinea Feb 2024 #58
She would be a HORRIBLE President. But, at least she is not in putin's pocket mucifer Feb 2024 #2
Exactly. If there were a general election, somehow, between Trump and Haley RandomNumbers Feb 2024 #3
Exactly what I think. FalloutShelter Feb 2024 #4
Sad. tazkcmo Feb 2024 #9
We don't know if Vlad got to her yet, or not IbogaProject Feb 2024 #12
This! Nt Hope22 Feb 2024 #18
She's a repuglicon, right? If so, Vlad has his hooks in her as well as the rest. erronis Feb 2024 #36
Not in Putin's pocket... Bird Lady Feb 2024 #31
She's TOTALLY staying in as a Republican Plan B. NCDem47 Feb 2024 #5
DeSantis 2028 will lose very badly to Gavin Newsom JoseBalow Feb 2024 #40
Attn please! He was convicted of sexual abuse by a jury. GreenWave Feb 2024 #56
Unfortunately, Trump won't be convicted before November. J_William_Ryan Feb 2024 #6
yeah, that's what Preet says NJCher Feb 2024 #41
My fingers are crossed for a debilitating stroke JoseBalow Feb 2024 #43
Even if convicted, I suspect he'll be out on appeals........ lastlib Feb 2024 #46
About that pardon... SarahD Feb 2024 #7
She says she will pardon Trump to get elected 70sEraVet Feb 2024 #20
She can't pardon a state conviction, and there are two possibilities of that. Ocelot II Feb 2024 #29
She needs to pardon tfg to get his voters but at the same time she chicoescuela Feb 2024 #8
She needs to SAY she'll pardon TSF... Pluvious Feb 2024 #59
Ha that will work for me chicoescuela Feb 2024 #62
... cash money? happybird Feb 2024 #10
Nah - she'll be on bended knee by Tuesday. 617Blue Feb 2024 #11
If convictions really force him off the ticket, they won't turn to her Bucky Feb 2024 #13
so she effectively started a third party NJCher Feb 2024 #42
Have to agree the delegates at convention will stick with a more maga person. FloridaBlues Feb 2024 #45
Just what I came here to say. Xavier Breath Feb 2024 #49
She has Koch network money. rubbersole Feb 2024 #14
koch just pulled their money mucifer Feb 2024 #64
Well that just shortened those 5" heels. rubbersole Feb 2024 #65
There's more than the possibility of conviction working for her, there's also Trump's sign of mental decline. Towlie Feb 2024 #15
I've said before, TFG won't make it to the General Bobstandard Feb 2024 #16
Not sure - if tfg can just stay alive they'll try to install him. erronis Feb 2024 #39
I do see that as an alternative Bobstandard Feb 2024 #60
They shoot horses, don't they? Kid Berwyn Feb 2024 #17
Excellent film and a very good point. erronis Feb 2024 #38
She's counting on the cheeseburgers catching up with him. Jakes Progress Feb 2024 #19
Trump or Haley Nasruddin Feb 2024 #21
JFC people, GOTV!!! aeromanKC Feb 2024 #22
She's staying in because people are making money. clouds Feb 2024 #23
She can't pardon him for Georgia crimes, if it ever gets to trial. vsrazdem Feb 2024 #24
Or a protest campaign to provide an alternative to Trump IronLionZion Feb 2024 #25
Don't care her reason nowforever Feb 2024 #32
What media is infuriated? brooklynite Feb 2024 #34
All nowforever Feb 2024 #47
She may imagine that, but... brooklynite Feb 2024 #33
Yep, 2024 or 2028 gulliver Feb 2024 #35
Not a chance for her. The GOP will just pick the next white male in line for their nominee. brush Feb 2024 #44
Agree. BootinUp Feb 2024 #53
If that's the case, they'll be calling on DeSantis dmr Feb 2024 #61
The pardon promise is a key element of her campaign. hay rick Feb 2024 #48
Even if Trump was NOT the nominee... ZERO possiblity of Haley getting the nom. WarGamer Feb 2024 #50
So I guess people think Trump will be prevented from running BootinUp Feb 2024 #52
She has no chance even if Trump is in jail. radius777 Feb 2024 #54
Exactly what I think. If Trump is convicted she's a shoe-in for the nomination. Martin68 Feb 2024 #55
Someone on the Right wants to stop Trump, at last. Follow the money. She won't be prez this time.... Hekate Feb 2024 #63

peppertree

(22,850 posts)
26. She's very given to astrology and the occult, it's said - so they've likely told her just that
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:01 PM
Feb 2024

But Tricky Nikki has a major problem with Repug voters: her ethnicity.

I've already heard a few refer to her as an "anchor baby."

peppertree

(22,850 posts)
30. Probably from India
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:11 PM
Feb 2024

Astrology is very prominent in Indian culture, and they're incredibly insightful - but for one thing: they refuse to use the Gregorian calendar.

Which, of course, means all their calculations are about three weeks off.

And as any astrologer will tell you, that's like a light year for interpretation purposes.

NJCher

(38,420 posts)
37. hmmm
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:26 PM
Feb 2024

Based on what you just said, I just posted a mundane astrologer's comments about Nikki Haley and there's also quite a few comments on trump and his aspects. I put this in the astrology forum to avoid the inevitable comments (chiding me for being a sucker) that always appear here if you put them in any other forum but Astrology.

There's an interesting little comment in there about why trump is running his mouth so incessently these days; kinda' funny.

The astrologer I'm quoting used to be my astrologer when she lived in NJ, but she moved. I still have her tapes of my charts from every year that she did them. If you have a C2C subscription, she occasionally appears for interviews there on political matters. She also has some books out.

peppertree

(22,850 posts)
57. Fascinating. Thanks for sharing that.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:50 PM
Feb 2024

My guess is that what they pointed out to her, is that with Neptune now in Trump's 8th House (of death), and squared by Jupiter, there's a good chance he might, indeed, kick the bucket - probably due to an adverse reaction to something in his much-rumored supply of stimulants.

I don't wish it on him - but it's certainly possible, given his well-known lack of self-control. And the fact he'll be 78.

We shall see...

Dulcinea

(7,644 posts)
58. She has plenty of money, so why not?
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:55 PM
Feb 2024

Old Man Koch is bankrolling her. He wants his party back, so both he and Nikki are hoping for Dolt 45's demise or incarceration so she can be the default candidate. Just my 2 cents.

mucifer

(24,948 posts)
2. She would be a HORRIBLE President. But, at least she is not in putin's pocket
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 10:46 AM
Feb 2024

It's also possible as Lawrence O'Donnell said she is stay in because it is the right thing to do for democracy. She knows the longer she stays in the less likely he would be president again. But, I don't have that much faith in her.

RandomNumbers

(18,288 posts)
3. Exactly. If there were a general election, somehow, between Trump and Haley
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 10:51 AM
Feb 2024

(for President of the U.S.)

it would make me sick but if there were ANY chance of Trump winning that contest I would get off my ass and vote for Haley.

Trump has spread a poisonous disease in our society that MUST be defeated and beaten back. Haley has some bad policies and I feel like she is deep-down, fundamentally racist - but racist in the unsophisticated, uneducated way, the "no one alive today was a slave" nonsense sort of way; but I would take that (sadly) if the only alternative were Trump's poison.

IbogaProject

(3,898 posts)
12. We don't know if Vlad got to her yet, or not
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 11:36 AM
Feb 2024

She would be a horrible president. the fascists would get their goals fulfilled under her, maybe better than under a chaotic T45.

NCDem47

(2,593 posts)
5. She's TOTALLY staying in as a Republican Plan B.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 11:00 AM
Feb 2024

All the way up to the "convention."

Trump's GE electibility plummets with a conviction (or so we think!), but the timing of that is tight.

I think this was DeSantis' strategy too. I think he got out to save his powder for 2028, plus, he was going NOWHERE in this cycle. Just wasting money. Fine by me!

JoseBalow

(5,901 posts)
40. DeSantis 2028 will lose very badly to Gavin Newsom
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:29 PM
Feb 2024

We've seen the preview... I look forward to that circus!

GreenWave

(9,631 posts)
56. Attn please! He was convicted of sexual abuse by a jury.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:45 PM
Feb 2024

Time to remind everyone?

And also civil fraud in New York!

(This post did not fall in the right place. Belongs right below. )

J_William_Ryan

(2,311 posts)
6. Unfortunately, Trump won't be convicted before November.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 11:07 AM
Feb 2024

He'll manage to delay the process for months, likely with the help of a corrupt, partisan conservative Supreme Court majority.

And even if convicted, he won’t be imprisoned pending appeal, which could drag-on for years.

NJCher

(38,420 posts)
41. yeah, that's what Preet says
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:33 PM
Feb 2024

Preet Bahara has said on his podcast that we can't depend on the justice system to "save us" (his words). He thinks the best way to defeat trump is at the ballot box. He seems confident that we can do so, or at least somewhat.

I listen to all of Preet's podcasts. I think a lot of him, but I was disappointed to hear he thinks this. I personally think he will get tripped up by the legal system before the election but hey, look at Preet's legal experience and then look at mine, LOL. Who ya' gonna' believe?

lastlib

(25,056 posts)
46. Even if convicted, I suspect he'll be out on appeals........
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:42 PM
Feb 2024

It may be years, if ever, before the cell door closes behind him.
- - - - - -

 

SarahD

(1,732 posts)
7. About that pardon...
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 11:11 AM
Feb 2024

Haley could lose many votes over her promise to pardon Trump. Most of the MAGA crowd loves the idea, so it's a good thing to say during the primaries, but some Republicans and many more independents were not in love with Trump to begin with, and are growing less and less forgiving toward him and his traitorous activities as time goes by.

70sEraVet

(4,273 posts)
20. She says she will pardon Trump to get elected
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:25 PM
Feb 2024

But she's not stupid enough to let him out of prison. She'd be in as much danger from him as anybody.

chicoescuela

(1,719 posts)
8. She needs to pardon tfg to get his voters but at the same time she
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 11:13 AM
Feb 2024

will ensure herself on being a one term president

happybird

(5,248 posts)
10. ... cash money?
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 11:19 AM
Feb 2024

Running for a high office can be a very lucrative job, what with all the super pacs and gifts and vacations no one ever reports and stock tips and corporations being people.

We need to get the money out of politics. Nothing is going to change for the better until that happens.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
13. If convictions really force him off the ticket, they won't turn to her
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 11:40 AM
Feb 2024

Haley's probably running for the history books at this point. One thing their media Pavlov bellringers have taught Republican voters is to hold on to petty grudges long past their expiration date. They won't turn to her if Trump implodes this year. They won't turn to her in 2028, whether Trump wins or loses this year.

FloridaBlues

(4,399 posts)
45. Have to agree the delegates at convention will stick with a more maga person.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:40 PM
Feb 2024

They may over rule everything and still get behind trump for their candidate.
Personally don’t think these court cases are going happen timely in regard to election. He will appeal every one causing delay.

Xavier Breath

(5,234 posts)
49. Just what I came here to say.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:50 PM
Feb 2024

They hate her for both her ethnicity and gender, and they will never forgive her for repeatedly attacking Dear Leader. You don't do that and win MAGAt loyalty, no sir.

Bobstandard

(1,739 posts)
16. I've said before, TFG won't make it to the General
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:09 PM
Feb 2024

His decline continues to accelerate. The MSM is largely ignoring it but the door on that has cracked open as the links above illustrate. It will eventually become a big story and then, right at the end, the only story. MMW!

erronis

(17,349 posts)
39. Not sure - if tfg can just stay alive they'll try to install him.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:29 PM
Feb 2024

Modern medicine can work miracles!

Bobstandard

(1,739 posts)
60. I do see that as an alternative
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 04:09 PM
Feb 2024

They kept Reagan’s dementia from the electorate while Nancy and the John Birch Society/NRA ran the country. (But at least they were against Russia. )

Nasruddin

(888 posts)
21. Trump or Haley
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:30 PM
Feb 2024

What a choice.
What I've seen of her in the past few months (didn't pay any attention before to her career) convinces me she is
very stupid, beyond George Bush II stupid. The dullest politician running for justice of the peace should be able to
mildly both-sides a controversial, vote-destroying issue - not her. Blind ambition, no smarts, trapped into bad positions
hard to wiggle out of.

I'm less sure we could survive bad policy year-on-year than others.

No way either of these jokers should get anywhere near national office.

aeromanKC

(3,512 posts)
22. JFC people, GOTV!!!
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:30 PM
Feb 2024

This is spot on and just the thought of this occuring is scary as hell!! GOTV people!!!!!

 

clouds

(80 posts)
23. She's staying in because people are making money.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:35 PM
Feb 2024

And that money has to be spent appropriately. Kickbacks, free travels, hotels, and meals, etc..
unfortunately TSF is Not going to go to jail, but he will lose spectacularly.
Especially if liberals stop being afraid to put out a yard sign, or peel a bumper sticker.

Time to mobilize and stop speaking to the choir..

IronLionZion

(47,306 posts)
25. Or a protest campaign to provide an alternative to Trump
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:57 PM
Feb 2024

I have no idea how her campaign got my number but they invited me to a Haley rally here in Virginia. I haven't been to a rally for any GOP candidate in at least 25 years.

nowforever

(414 posts)
32. Don't care her reason
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:13 PM
Feb 2024

It infuriates Trump and seemingly all media. Trump cannot handle being routinely called out for his misdeeds by a former ally and the media hates that they cannot have election fun with the race they find most entertaining.

nowforever

(414 posts)
47. All
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:43 PM
Feb 2024

The tone is obvious from pundits and reporters. She should just quit and bow out is the theme and it's been going on since New Hampshire. I'm hearing and reading that she has the right to keep running, but what's the point is the underlying message. They just want a good old fight between Trump and Biden, it's so much more entertaining you know.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
33. She may imagine that, but...
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:15 PM
Feb 2024

...if Trump got knocked out the race, she's far too conventional to get the replacement nomination in a MAGA-driven Party.

gulliver

(13,333 posts)
35. Yep, 2024 or 2028
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:21 PM
Feb 2024

She may even flip the 2024 primary and win it, which would be better for democracy. She's got some momentum.

brush

(58,292 posts)
44. Not a chance for her. The GOP will just pick the next white male in line for their nominee.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:38 PM
Feb 2024

Anyone with any idea of the history of that party knows they will never choose a woman as their nominee, especially a brown one.

By staying she's spinning her wheels and throwing good money after bad. She needs to face it, it's the racist, white male, maga party.

dmr

(28,678 posts)
61. If that's the case, they'll be calling on DeSantis
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 04:28 PM
Feb 2024

He behaves like TFG, Jr. without the disgusting charisma.

Oh, what a disastrous thought.

hay rick

(8,376 posts)
48. The pardon promise is a key element of her campaign.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:43 PM
Feb 2024

I believe many of the people who are willing to support Trump do so out of team loyalty. At the same time, they are not blind to his increasingly erratic behavior and incoherent rambling. Nicky is offering them an off ramp by saying he will be protected if she wins.

WarGamer

(15,917 posts)
50. Even if Trump was NOT the nominee... ZERO possiblity of Haley getting the nom.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:51 PM
Feb 2024

100% of Trump support would go to WHOEVER Trump said it should go to.

I'd assume DeSantis would re-enter... he'd get the Trump thumbs up pick up the Trump vote and Haley is still toast.

BootinUp

(49,206 posts)
52. So I guess people think Trump will be prevented from running
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:54 PM
Feb 2024

for office by the courts? Really? If someone has an outline of how that would happen, please share, I'll look around too.

radius777

(3,814 posts)
54. She has no chance even if Trump is in jail.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:26 PM
Feb 2024

A convention in that case would likely decide it - the party delegates are Trumpers and would choose accordingly - probably Don Jr or DeSantis.

The Never Trumpers who support Haley don't get it. The GOP base not only supports Trump but Trumpism which on some level is a rejection of the Reagan/neocon wing Haley represents.

The media keeps pitching her as a moderate. Haley is no moderate but a RW fundie neocon - in many ways ideologically worse than Trump, who at least holds some historically LW positions on issues like social security and trade. Haley is better on Ukraine/Russia, and is likely to respect institutional norms. But in no way is she some moderate.

Martin68

(24,805 posts)
55. Exactly what I think. If Trump is convicted she's a shoe-in for the nomination.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:30 PM
Feb 2024

I don’t think she would win the general election, but it will set her up for a future run.

Hekate

(95,574 posts)
63. Someone on the Right wants to stop Trump, at last. Follow the money. She won't be prez this time....
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 04:36 PM
Feb 2024

… but she is still young.

Saying that Haley is a good political campaigner is not an endorsement of her candidacy. She is, definitely, a good campaigner.

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