If Trump is convicted on any number of charges, Congressional Democrats must demand

[TeamProg]

the Donald The Sick Fuck Trump DROP OUT of his race for POTUS!

Dems MUST DEMAND IT!!

No Fucking CRIMINAL should ever be near the Oval Office! EVER!

I would expect that Senate Dems are preparing their message YESTERDAY!

[appleannie1]

1. The US Military will not allow anyone with a felony conviction to serve so he should never be their C I C.

[Think. Again.]

5. Good point.

[LiberalFighter]

6. They don't have authority regarding that unfortunately.

[onenote]

8. The rule against enlisting with a felony conviction is not absolute.

And the Commander in Chief is a civilian, not subject to military rules. There is a mandatory retirement age for the US military. I doubt any of us think that should disqualify someone older than that age from serving as president.

Put another way, I don't think this is going to be a major talking point. I particularly think its unlikely that Biden will demand that Trump drop out of the race.

[NanaCat]

35. It's even simpler than that

The military flat-out doesn't decide who sits in the White House. The individual service members get to vote like the rest of us, but that's the ONLY say the military gets about who serves in the office.

That's just how it is, and they'll needs must learn to live with it if the idiot manages to win, same as the rest of us.

[Ms. Toad]

9. That is generally true,

But there are exceptions and waivers which allow some convicted felons to serve.

[TwilightZone]

16. The Commander-in-Chief is a civilian, not a member of the military.

[Jose Garcia]

18. So, the VP would be the CIC?

[NanaCat]

34. Other than service members voting like the rest of us

The military doesn't have any say about who takes any elected office.

Voters decide that, no one else. This is, you know, Civics 101 stuff.

We don't live under a military junta, you know. Or at least not yet.

[former9thward]

42. Where are you getting that from?

Your own Constitution?

[Beachnutt]

2. Would we prefer he stay in the race

as a convicted felon to ensure a Biden victory ?
Who would the rethug nominee be if the con was out ?

[LiberalFighter]

7. TSF won't have the same support he had in 2020.

So many reasons why.

Convicted as a felon will be another.

[Tribetime]

43. I hope Biden has the same support.He had four years ago

[FarPoint]

3. That concept is a time wasting effort

I am fine with Biden running against the orange menace.. Biden will win re-election....tRump is not close to even winning .tRump is an abusive mob boss type who is hated by the world.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Dems can demand all they like. Rs decide their candidate

Skip the demanding. It sounds a bit childish to the wobbly middle.

If Ds are going to speak about the issue in public (and they should), they need to say things like "If Rs nominate tRump it is proof that they believe in a two-tier justice system and a two-tier social order with rich white males above everyone else" but more pithy. They should dare them to nominate tRump.

With tRump, the rational wing of the R Party (shrinking daily but still substantial) has nowhere to go except Biden. RFK Jr rational? Nope.

Without tRump, the nominee would like be someone the rational wing could rally around. Don't want that.


In the final analysis, tRump loyalists control the RNC. They will nominate tRump come hell or high water.

[onenote]

10. Yep. And the Constitution sets the qualifications for serving as president, not "demands" by members of Congress.

[ZonkerHarris]

13. and the GOP base likes the idea of voting for a criminal. It represents them best

[TeamProg]

15. No and no. No to your idea that it is wobbly. Dems need to speak up and remind the public of the many crimes of DJT.

The louder, the better, the more, the better. Demand demand demand - just as the GOP and Fox News would do.

And no to "If Rs nominate tRump it is proof that they believe in a two-tier justice system..." because his supporters don't care about that. They don't.

And no to ".. and a two-tier social order with rich white males above everyone else" because his supporters will then say ' why pick on TSF when they are other criminal rich men?'

DEMAND DEMAND DEMAND

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. Your proposal is my proposal. Biden believes the middle is wobbly

It is foolish to focus on tRump supporters. So don't. Our proposal does not.

The middle IS wobbly. https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4484827-prediction-markets-and-polls-are-telling-different-stories-about-the-presidential-race/ (good read):

But there is another possible explanation for Trump’s strong poll numbers: voters don’t fully understand that we’re headed for a rematch.

Pundits, analysts and political junkies (such as ourselves) can read the tea leaves and know that a rematch is all but certain. But voters aren’t so sure. When we speak to our less politically engaged family members and friends (i.e., normal people), we often get asked some version of the following: “Are you sure Biden’s going to run again? Isn’t he pushing it a bit at his age? And Trump winning the primary again? Seriously? Isn’t he going to prison?”

To the extent that voters are shielded from the impending reality that 2024 really will be a rematch, their responses to head-to-head surveys might not reflect how they’ll actually vote in November.

At least, that’s what Team Biden is hoping for. According to a New York magazine profile, the Biden campaign believes that once voters tune into the race, they’ll remember why they voted for the president over his predecessor the last time. And there’s some evidence for this view: CNN has reported that in Biden’s internal campaign polling, three-quarters of undecided voters do not (yet) believe that Donald Trump will be the GOP nominee.

Your main proposal is my main proposal. Don't demand Rs not nominate tRump, instead "remind the public of the many crimes of DJT. The louder, the better, the more, the better." But that is NOT demanding. Demanding is childish, foolish, and less than useless. If you demand the Rs do something, that is targetting tRump supporters. A waste of air time and eyeballs.

The RNC is run by tRump's daughter-in-law. tRump will be the nominee. No amount of D demanding will change that.

When we say "the Republicons believe in two-tier justice", that is a message to remind voters in the middle that Republicons do not represent their interests. It is not aimed at magas. It is aimed at the wobbly middle who are unsure about the policing and justice system after Roe overturned and Floyd murdered.

When we talk about Republicon support of rich white males, it is not aimed at magas. It is aimed at the wobbly middle in between Ds and Rs (and not necessarily independents); the low-info middle that haven't paid much attention so far, the wobbly middle who too much think Biden created the inflation and tRump is better at economics.

Attacking the core of tRump's sales pitch, loudly and often, will reach the wobbly middle who don't realize tRump is guaranteed the nomination and Biden will get the D nomination.

[bucolic_frolic]

11. Republicans don't even obey court rulings, why would they listen to Congressional Democrats?

And Alito is not listening to Senate Democrats that he should recuse over the flag issue.

Democrats have no power over what Trump does. Not even impeachment worked.

[ZonkerHarris]

12. hahahahaha adorable

[TeamProg]

39. So glad you like the idea!

[Silent Type]

14. Demands don't work, and probably make us look petty. But we damn sure can keep the MFer front and center.

[TeamProg]

20. We keep his criminal record front and center. we have to hammer it home. nt

[NoRethugFriends]

17. Demand it of whom? A DU jury?

[TeamProg]

19. Of Trump, by way of the public, obviously.

Is that a serous question?

[NoRethugFriends]

21. How does the public demand it of Trump (including the about 1/2 of the voters who want him to be president)

[TeamProg]

24. Not sure where you're going with this. If you really cannot figure it out, then I can not help you. The obvious point is

three words:

Pressure Pressure Pressure

[TeamProg]

22. I've already called the offices of Swalwell, Zoe Lofgren and Nancy Pelosi since I posted the OP. It always helps them

to hear from the public.

[Zeitghost]

23. Demanding things

When you do not have the authority to enforce those demands is generally not a great move.

I don't see any upside to the leaders of our party making such a statement.

[TeamProg]

25. The upside is standing up for law and order, good vs. bad, honor vs. dis-honor, honesty vs. dis-honesty, see that? Okay,

how about good 'ol family values like the Republican party says that they support?

I don't see any down-side to the leaders of our party making such a statement.

[Zeitghost]

27. We have done plenty

To show the huge gap in ethics/morals/professionalism/etc. between President Biden and Trump.

Making demands we have no power to enforce isn't going to make that more clear.

[TeamProg]

40. On what grounds?

[Model35mech]

26. true. but an Overton Window is opening on criticism of Executive and High Court Ethics

It would be a terrible waste of an opportunity if dems don't cryout for the creation of Ethics Reform Panels to write Constitutional Amendments to make the executive branch and the courts accountable to the People for behavioral missteps.

[Zeitghost]

30. We have the tools to fix those problems

We don't need more tools, we need the political support to use them.

If we had the political capital to pass such amendments, we would have the political capital for successful impeachments. As it stands, we don't have enough for either.

[Model35mech]

33. Yes. And Overton windows opening can get us past the usually locked doors.

An Overton Window opening IS a shift in political sentiment and support.

[TeamProg]

41. Political capital comes with making our point: TSF is a criminal.

What’s not to get?

[TeamProg]

37. Rather than insulting me, better to use your very valuable time and make some calls to Reps and Senators.

[GreenWave]

29. I can never forget when that bastard shut the Oval Office and allowed only Russians inside.

No US witness (interpreter, etc) was allowed inside.
Freaking traitor!

[dweller]

32. 🥴 well I can see things are going to be

a little tetchy around here until the verdict comes in …





✌🏻

[NanaCat]

36. Oh FFS

It's not their party running the traitor for office, and thus not the Democrats' call to make.

Focus on what they can do if he's convicted: Spending from verdict day until election day prefacing every comment about him with 'convicted felon TSF.'

Keep saying it over and over. Make the election about the convicted felon, and not the mindless distraction spanners the traitor GQP will try to throw into the works to obscure that they're running a convicted felon as their party leader.

Make people have to ask themselves, 'Do I vote for a convicted felon or a candidate who isn't a convicted felon?'

[TeamProg]

38. Pretty much the same kine of attack as I just laid out.

[TeamProg]

44. Kick