Should Joe pardon Hunter?

[RussBLib]

....If Hunter is convicted, I don't think Joe WOULD pardon him, but I would say he SHOULD pardon him. It would seem to be a better use of the pardon power to show forgiveness to your son than to bail your ratfucking co-conspirators out of prison.

But that's just me.

RussBLib blog

[chicoescuela]

1. Yep, right after the election

[Trueblue1968]

26. Yes!!!! ! ! ! ! !!!!!!!!!! !!!! !!!! !!!

[Irish_Dem]

2. No he shouldn't do this.

Biden believes in the rule of law and the court system.

No one is above the law, not even his own son.

[jimfields33]

57. He did pardon his son.

He did it Sunday. I would have too.

[Irish_Dem]

58. He had no choice once the appointments were being made.

Mentally ill criminals hell bent on revenge and abuse of power.
We know what they would have done to Hunter.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

3. The MAGAts would blow a HYPOCRITICAL gasket

If Joe did that.

Just saying.

[B.See]

11. Joe shouldn't do it. But fuck the MAGATS

and what they would do OR say about it. Considering all the sht their Antichrist has done and said.

[Tree Lady]

24. But of course Trump would pardon

his kids in a heartbeat the moment he won unless he didn't like the kid, then tough luck buddy!

[struggle4progress]

4. already said he won't

[FBaggins]

5. Not if he wins in november

If he loses and Trump is on course to pardon himself? Sure

[Xavier Breath]

23. Agreed, he should if Trump wins.

It would pale in comparison to what will come later. Like a news headline from September 10th.

[sakabatou]

6. No. It would look terrible.

[VMA131Marine]

8. A reminder about pardons

The typical criteria for pardons is a/ to correct miscarriages of justice but also b/ to grant them for people who have served any sentence that was imposed on them. The latter is something that TFG obviously didn’t adhere to, in fact he completely ignored the process that has been in place. So, in Hunter’s case he wouldn’t be eligible for a pardon until well into a second Biden term anyway. If Biden wants to pardon Hunter on his way out of office in 2029 after Hunter would have completed any jail term I wouldn’t have any heartburn about it. The pardon process has been used for far more corrupt purposes in the past.

[former9thward]

15. Someone is eligible for a pardon when they get it.

Ford and Carter pardoned thousands of Vietnam draft evaders who had fled to Canada. They had not served a minute of a sentence. Clinton pardoned Marc Rich who was an indicted financier and a fugitive. He did not even show for a trial let alone be sentenced.

[RussBLib]

18. Hunter would not have to serve any time

...the president can pardon anytime, even before trial if he wants. Joe obviously would not do that, but he could. The pardon power is pretty absolute.

Considering that hardly anyone is ever charged with this type of crime, this is a truly political trial to try to "get" Joe. Overzealous prosecutors, righting a political wrong, are good reasons for pardons.

Joe already said he would not pardon Hunter? Haven't heard that. Hunter's situation could take a really ugly turn, then who knows?

https://russblib.blogspot.com/2024/06/joe-pardon-hunter.html?m=1

[Misery Business]

20. Yes. He said he would not pardon Hunter in a ABC interview.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-says-will-not-pardon-son-hunter-biden-convicted-gun-related-char-rcna155920

[CTyankee]

22. Biden just said in an iinterview with David Muir that he would not pardon Hunter. I believe him.

[meadowlander]

21. It's not just optics. It would be a gross conflict of interest

and as a man of clear integrity, I expect Biden wouldn't go within a hundred miles of considering it.

If there was an actual miscarriage of justice, let some future Democratic president address it. Nobody should be using the pardon power for people they actually know, family members or business associates.

[ecstatic]

31. republicans are promising to lock up democrats en masse if trump gets back in, or even if he doesn't.

What you and some others appear to be saying is that we'll lay down and take it. Justified prosecutions and convictions we should never interfere with--for example, whatever is occurring with Menendez in NJ. But political persecution should not be given a pass because of "optics." If we go by what's right--what passes the smell test--we'll be fine. Hunter's prosecution does not pass the smell test. Period.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

7. Yes. After the election.

[Pisces]

9. The law is not a whataboutism. He should absolutely NOT pardon Hunter.

[Think. Again.]

10. Why should he do that?

The power of the pardon is given to the President to use in his official capacity for the betterment of the Nation.

How would pardoning an individual rightfully convicted of crimes do that?

I could see an argument that Hunter has not been "rightfully" convicted due to extreme bias on behalf of his proscutors, but if he actually did do the things he may be convicted of, and the sentencing is in line with standards, meaning no wrong would be corrected by the pardon, randomly pardoning criminals because it feels good would be an abuse of Biden's Presidential power.

[JI7]

12. Depending on what happens I think he can commute his sentence

but shouldn't pardon him. And noting until after the election

[TheProle]

13. Biden tells Muir he wouldn't pardon son Hunter

President Joe Biden said he would not pardon his son Hunter amid an ongoing felony gun trial during a wide-ranging exclusive interview with ABC News anchor David Muir at the Normandy American Cemetery on the 80th anniversary of D-Day.

Muir asked Biden on Thursday if he would accept the outcome of his son's trial in Wilmington, Delaware, to which the president said, "Yes." Biden also said "yes" when asked by Muir if he would rule out a pardon for Hunter.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=110904482

[RussBLib]

27. Coincidence?

....Yes. I was thinking the question that David Muir asked. Kinda funny. I'd heard that Muir was going to interview Joe but hadn't heard any text or audio from it. And I pop up with the same question. Am I clairvoyant? Fuck no, it's just one of those things: a coincidence.

https://russblib.blogspot.com

[Celerity]

14. Absolutely not. nt

[Beachnutt]

16. If he is found guilty

I think he should appeal , appeal, appeal, and after Joe wins the election Joe should pardon him.

[ecstatic]

17. After the election, definitely. lol. I don't believe in 2 justice systems

but it really was a bullshit charge done solely to appease rethugs.

[LuckyCharms]

19. No. n/t

[Hekate]

25. And be the one going down in history as completing the rot? Don't think he wants to do that.

[Groundhawg]

28. No. We are the real party of law and order.

[Oneironaut]

29. Nope, imo

[lindysalsagal]

30. Hunter isn't likely to serve time, anyway.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

36. I don't know about that.

According to some tv-machine lawyer on msnbc, the judge is kind of a hard ass on charges like this. And that’s before considering she is a trump appointee .

[XorXor]

32. No. We can't pardon our family when they do crimes.

Have him do whatever probation and pay the fines as anyone else would.

[orange jar]

33. No.

Unlike Trump, Biden respects the law.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

34. Yes, after the election.

Why?

Because fuck MAGA.

[Stuckinthebush]

35. No

That would be a bad move.

[Johnny2X2X]

37. He will do so after the election

It's a nonsense charge that no one shouyld face.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

38. Hell, no. Additionally, if no Dem is going to pardon Leonard Peltier

and let him die in jail, Hunter certainly doesn't a pardon.

[krawhitham]

39. If Joe pardons Hunter he will resign, so lets hope it's after the election

And he WILL pardon Hunter if he gets a long sentence. It's his son, he has no choice

[BlueCheeseAgain]

40. I took a lot of personal criticism...

... for expressing ambivalence about the pardon. But it looks like a pardon wasn't always so popular here.

[RandiFan1290]

41. I love how much it bothers you! nt

[BlueCheeseAgain]

43. Four recs for this comment...

... whose only text is to express satisfaction with someone else's distress. What's going on here?

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. You posted to a thread you didn't take part in originally

just to give you something to say about how, several months later, some DUer(s?) has replied to you. Why not reply to the criticism in December, rather than using a long-archived thread that will only get read because you put a link to it in a new thread you started to say "look, I found someone who agreed with me months ago!"?

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. I'd take a break from the subject, if I were you

Posting to try and get back in an argument in which you've get a hide rarely goes well.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

50. You may be right.

But that seems contrary to how a discussion board should work.

[Beringia]

42. Good for you for shining this light and see how people change their tune

[Think. Again.]

53. This doesn't show any change of tune...

It shows different opinions from different people.

[Crunchy Frog]

44. To be fair, there's been a major change in circumstances since then.

Also the views expressed are actually fairly heterogeneous.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

45. Agreed on the heterogeneity.

It's a lot more uniform now.

[Crunchy Frog]

49. I would have been much more ambivalent in June.

The fact that Dump is coming back and will be on a major revenge spree fully justifies Biden taking steps to protect people, including his son, from unreasonable persecution. JMO.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

51. But you probably understand people...

... who still believe what they did back then, right?

It's not wrong to still think that?

[samnsara]

52. HELL YES!!!!

..this isnt biblical times where a father sacrifices his only son to the Pharaoh. You save your family from NAZI horrors anyway you can!!! Trump did NOT win this election honestly so all bets are off.

HE GETS NO PRIZE!!

[claudette]

54. Absolutely

[delisen]

55. Should Trump pardon his in law and appoint to high office?

Ivanka's father in law and Jared Kushner's father was a sordid convicted felon pardoned by Trump and now so completely rehabilitated Trump has now nominated him to become Ambassador to France.
I predict a great future for Hunter who years ago repaid fully his IRS debt, has kicked his drug habit. Whether he will ever become Ambassador,I don't know.

[live love laugh]

56. And the Republican controlled media overlooks that.