Already, after Biden's NC performance, the ship is righting itself.

[skip fox]

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He seemed like a different man, even reading off the teleprompter with twice the conviction.

With several very public performances, many not scripted, Biden will have rehabilitated himself. People will see him diferently.

Unfortunately for Trump they will remember his lies as well. Nothing will help that. And last night baked that in.

Therefore, in the long run, last night might have been positive,

[democratsruletheday]

1. WELL said 'skip'....

it's a new day and despite what all the chicken littles are saying, last night won't define Biden as he WAS low energy but we know the reason for that. Will all the lies and douchiness define the orange shithead? It should....

[HandmaidsTaleUntold]

16. Yes It Should

But please spare us the chicken little analogies. Coulda shoulda woulda doesn’t win elections. People can forget a poor debate performance. If it’s a one off. Trump smells blood now duh. You don’t think that bully is gonna keep capitalizing on this???? Over and over and over. I about the one thing independents are worries about...Joes age??? We can’t win if we aren’t realistic. That wasn’t just low energy. Bidens campaign better figure something out quick. Time for Obama to get loud. He said he still supports Joe. But having to even say that is a problem.

[HUAJIAO]

59. Barack didn't want Joe to run.

[Wednesdays]

2. I won't say it loudly, but I think Biden "threw" the debate

Ironically, after all the talk of TCF "throwing" the debate to Biden, the opposite actually happened.

How? Look at Biden's performance today, as well as his performance last night after the debate. Like night and day.

Why? Momentum. We need the momentum in the fall up to Election Day. So, look for Democrats to keep a low profile until the convention, and then suddenly ramping it up afterwards.

And TSF will go into the next debate thinking he will be facing a weak opponent, and WHAM! he gets blindsided by a suddenly energized Dark Brandon!

[BlueKentuckyGirl]

8. abbreviations

I took a bit of a break from DU and you guys are now using abbreviations that I don't know.... TSF? TCF?

[Wednesdays]

9. TSF, TCF

TSF = "the sick f**k" (allegedly said by Biden)
TCF = "the convicted felon"

[skip fox]

27. Thanks. . . . I've been wondering.

[markodochartaigh]

33. TYVMIHBWT

*Thank you very much, I have been wondering too.

[Hieronymus Phact]

36. yeah about that

I wasn't sure what my glazzys were viddying. Do Droogies and Chellovecks govoreet like this normally?

[swimboy]

47. C'mon now

Be cromulent.

[Ligyron]

48. Decent book, better movie.

Even if it was written by a Xian nutjob, it gave Kubrick a great canvas to paint on.

Ironically given our present situation, the point of the book and movie was if you eliminate choice, like to have an abortion for example, you've eliminated the element of free will which Gawd relies upon to judge you.

Shame on the radical Christian Fundies for interfering with Gawd's plan. You all are going to Hell!!

[SoFlaBro]

68. I got lost in a lot of the fucking shorthand and abbreviations as well.

[AZ8theist]

41. I thought TSF stood for "The Slob Father".....

[Wednesdays]

45. That fits, too.

Although more often lately it's been "The Sick F**k" because that's what Biden said of him.

[PatSeg]

26. You're not alone

I know they are in reference to Trump, but I don't know what a lot of them are and I'm tired of trying to figure them out. I just go with the context of the sentence.

Meanwhile, I stick to the basics - WTF, OMG, FFS. Mostly I just spell out the words. I have English teachers from years gone by who still reside in my brain.

[markpkessinger]

43. I find them to be really tedious! n/t

[PatSeg]

46. Same here

If it is worth saying, it is worth spelling it out so everyone knows what you mean.

[Hugin]

55. In electoral politics there is such a thing as peaking too soon or too late...

With respect to, the only poll that really matters, the election.

Trump, as usual, is oblivious (along with most of the GOP, so it seems) to this concept and due to his narcissistic personality tries to be at peak at all times. We’ve seen this does not wear well with a diverse coalition and only works with a cult.

President Biden appears to be very aware of this and has many successful campaigns under his belt.

[krawhitham]

3. How? 47 million watched the debate. His NC rally has less that 50,000 streaming views

[skip fox]

4. Through multiple such performances over weeks.

[krawhitham]

5. OK, but it would take 940 such performances to equal the audience size of the debate

[edisdead]

7. So you believe that everyone

So you believe that everyone that watched the debate last night switched their vote to trump?

This place has gone absolutely banana nuts.

[thesquanderer]

11. The small persuadable middle was largely reached via the debate.

Not so many of them are likely to be seeing local rallies on C-Span or whatever. (Nor are rally clips as likely to show up on the news or go viral on social media... except when they're bad.)

Or to put it differently, arguably, you need to reach that 47 million person audience in order to reach the persuadable people we need to reach with "the other Biden."

I think a lot is going ride on the VP debate, and any future presidential debate that may happen. Because the people we need to reach are the ones who are not so engaged on a day-to-day basis. The ones who are engaged are, for the most part, unpersuadable.

[mahina]

13. Nope

The NC rally videos already have half the debate views

[RussBLib]

12. How about spreading it on your social media?

...help get the word out.

The somewhat demoralized, panic-stricken hand wringing Dems need to see this as much as anyone. It's like a shot in the arm.

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

[HandmaidsTaleUntold]

18. By Being Ostrich With Head In Sand

[PatSeg]

28. I'm hoping that the MSM

will start to play more clips of Biden like from today's rally. Meanwhile it would also be helpful if the late night comedians would stop with the tired and unoriginal ageism jokes.

Also, it would be great if his campaign made an ad with a clip from today's speech.

[MaryMagdaline]

29. I've already seen the NC speech on TikTok

Saw more of the NC clips than the debate clips.

[DarthDem]

6. Yeah, It's Interesting

Other than revealing who the bedwetters and bad faith actors are among "Democrats," I don't think last night - to the sorrow of many of those worthies - is going to have too much resonance for Biden. But Trump - whew. He was terrible. And there's nothing he can do about it. That's just him.

[HandmaidsTaleUntold]

15. Here We Go Again

If someone observes us tanking they are bedwetters or unworthy? This isn’t a special club for those needing an ego boost. We want to win at all costs especially after losing in 2016 which allowed Trump to even get to this place. I was shocked at how Joe looked. I thought he would destroy Trump. Magical thinking won’t win. Or hoping people will just forget. How did the debate preppers not see this coming. Utter failure. We better act quick.

[LW1977]

17. Your "concern" is noted.

[orange jar]

20. What "quick actions" do you think need to be taken?

[RussBLib]

10. Some text from Biden's NC speech

...which was contained in a pitch for money, natch.


Biden-Harris 2024
Last night, I spent 90 minutes debating on a stage with a guy who has all the morals of an alley cat. I mean, did you see Donald Trump last night?

He must have set a new record for the number of lies ever told in a single debate.

He lied about what a great economy he created, when we all remember the pandemic.

He lied about how great he was for veterans, when we can recall how he called veterans who had given their lives for this country “suckers” and “losers.”

And he even lied about how he had nothing to do with January 6th.

But we all saw it with our own eyes. We saw the mob attack the Capitol. We saw the police being attacked. The Capitol ransacked.

Folks, for all of Trump’s lies last night, we did learn some important truths.

We learned he is still proud of being the person who killed Roe v. Wade.
We learned that he wants another giant tax cut for the very wealthy and biggest corporations.
And that he’ll cut your Medicare, your Social Security, and cut your health care to pay for it.
Most dangerously -- though -- we learned again that Donald Trump will not respect the outcome of this year’s election.

Donald Trump showed us who he is last night. We have to believe him.

I know you understand there is too much at stake to leave this election up to chance, so I have to ask: Will you make another $25 contribution to Kamala’s and my campaign today? It's going to take a heck of a lot of resources to defeat Trump again. We need you by our side.

I know I’m not a young man. I don’t walk as easily as I used to. I don’t speak as smoothly as I used to. I don’t debate as well as I used to.

I also know how to tell the truth. I know right from wrong. I know how to do this job. I know how to get things done.

And I know -- like millions of Americans know -- when you get knocked down, you get back up.

I would not be running again if I didn’t believe with all my heart and soul that I can do this job. Because quite frankly the stakes are too high.

Donald Trump poses the gravest threat to our democracy I’ve ever seen in my lifetime.

He will destroy our democracy. I will defend it. So, are you with me?

You’re one of my campaign’s strongest donors. It’d mean a lot to me to see another donation from you come through today.

Donald Trump and I will meet on the debate stage again in September. Until then, I’ll never stop fighting for families like yours just as I have every day of my career.

I hope you’ll keep the faith and join me out on the stump.

See you out there,

Joe

P.S. My team tells me that we had the best day of fundraising yesterday. I couldn’t be more grateful for folks like you have pitched in what they can so far. We’re counting on even more donations from folks in your town to come in today. If you can spare $5, $10, or even $25 -- pitch in now. It will make a difference. My word as a Biden.

My dad used to have an expression -- 'It's the lucky person who gets up in the morning, puts both feet on the floor, knows what they are about to do, and thinks it still matters.' Your support matters. Your donation matters. -- Joe Biden

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

[LiberalFighter]

19. The post debate event he was much different

His usual self.

[kimimer]

44. I saw those videos too ...

... and his delivery there me skeptical of the "he has a cold" explanation.

[thesquanderer]

21. er: "Unfortunately for Trump they will remember his lies"

I think a problem there is that, for the more casual viewer (those debate-watchers who don't follow politics much and who are presumably most of the potentially persuadable), they will need further education to fully understand the extent of TFG's lies, but they need no further evidence whatsoever (i.e. beyond what they saw and heard with their own eyes and ears) to believe that Biden is feeble. IOW, they need to see proof of Biden's competence, as you suggest, but I don't think you can count on everyone "remembering TFG's lies" or even knowing just how many there were, because these more casual, more persuadable viewers are less likely to know just how much he was lying, and they are not so easily reached outside the big event. We need to reach the proverbial "low information voters" because the more engaged voters have probably almost universally already made up their minds. And by definition, these voters are harder to reach. After all, if they were engaged, they wouldn't be low information voters.

What we really needed was for the TFG's other court cases to come to trial before the election. I"m still hoping that somehow, at least one will. Because I think that's the kind of thing that could really move the needle.

[Voltaire2]

54. Actually they won't.

They will remember an energetic performance.

[Traurigkeit]

58. There were NO casual viewers

throw that lie "casual viewer" into history's trashcan

[thesquanderer]

67. If there were no viewers who did not follow politics much...

... then there was no point. Because I think virtually anyone who really follows politics has already made up their mind.

[skip fox]

64. Here's a decent list:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/video/fact-check-cnn-presidential-debate-trump-biden-dale-digvid

[soldierant]

22. Courtesy of Wonkette

here's video of the NC rally:

https://www.youtube.com/live/gdYLGalefMM

(I think it may be showing the link rather than the video may be because it was originally live?)

[KateMadison]

23. It was a good first step

His performance in North Carolina was a good first step, be there is a very long journey ahead.

[BigDemVoter]

24. I am DONE reading Huffington Post

Hysterical, screaming headlines about Joe's "raspy voice." He had a goddamned cold for fuck's sake.

[cilla4progress]

25. Consider the toxicity of sharing that stage

last night...

[Elessar Zappa]

34. You can repeat that over and over.

It doesn’t make it true. If you’re so sure then quit posting and trying to de-moralize everyone else.

[Lancero]

35. They're really wanting to earn themselves a PPR.

[calimary]

51. PPR?

What is that?

Sometimes I wish DU had a rule against all these abbreviations.

[orange jar]

40. They said in another post that they were "done with the party."

They're so worried about Biden causing another Trump term, though.

[Mr. Evil]

31. I'm going to repeat this over and over,

until the next 'debate.'

You cannot 'debate' a pathological liar.

Especially if CNN's Jake Tapper and Dana Bash are the consummate idiots running the show.

[FakeNoose]

37. Agreed - Tapper and Bash were less than worthless as moderators

But Joe looked tired and a little distracted. Something was wrong with his voice, maybe a cold or a sore throat.

It's not fair that he was Presidenting all week, then he had to fly down to Atlanta at the last minute. Probably didn't get a good night's sleep, but he went on like a real trooper. He might have made one or two mistakes, but nothing he said was a lie.

Now Chump on the other hand ...

[skip fox]

32. I should speak for myself.

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I was relieved to see him in NC. I believed he was lost in his age last night. But to see him today!

So many Democrats like myself will be relieved. He, himself, looks like he woke up!

[oldsoftie]

53. Totally agree. We need NC Joe to tour the battleground states.

SHOW everyone that Thursday was just an off night.

[dchill]

38. It's just going to get too positive around here for some.

[TNNurse]

39. So, Trump thinks it did not go well for Biden,

won't he be more likely to do the second debate?? Seems like would be best chance to recover Biden's positives.

[Metaphorical]

42. Oh, for crying out loud

We had a reality check last night, but I think people are overreacting.
1. Biden looked good afterwards, and he's knocking it out of the park with his rallies. The sound quality of his mic wasn't good when he started, and studio lighting is going to make an older white man with an orange-spray-painted tan and a toupe look better than an older white man with white hair. We've seen Trump at his worst, and he's a fat, old, white man with wispy hair, but like everything else about him, his physical appearance is a media lie.
2. Trump did not in fact surprise anyone. He was on the defensive most of the night, he lied with every statement, and toward the end he was heading to incomprehensibility. The MSM set the expectations in Trump's favor because he didn't have to be truthful, didn't have to even make any sense so long as he could last through a 90 minute marathon. Biden, on the other hand, had to both remain attentive to the questions, be truthful, seem dignified while doing it, had to deal with a very unpredictable opponent, and not to appear to be old. He blew the last, though I think he hit the other three.
3. This was not a boxing match. Biden wasn't going to knock Trump out. Trump wasn't going to go full psycho on stage (though he came closer than most of his handlers would like), Biden was going to be at his best by showing Trump as Trump truly was.
4. The biggest beneficiary last night was probably Robert Kennedy, Jr. I had a zoom call this morning with someone who is definitely a left-libertarian (yes, we have them on our side as well, sadly). He was talking about how he was all in on Kennedy at this point. I think Democrats will support Biden regardless, the Republicans have mostly gone full Magat, and the independents are likely to split three ways. The key is that my acquaintance wasn't going to vote for Biden regardless, and had been leaning towards Trump until last night.

All things considered, last night hurt Biden, but I think it will hurt Trump more in the long run, because I see Kennedy siphoning off more votes (considerably) from Trump than he will from Biden. We are about five weeks out from the conventions. Biden has the opportunity to reburnish his image, but the message I'm hearing is that neither of them did very well, and it will be a lot harder for Trump to walk away from the convictions.

One final point - at this stage in the game, Romney was looking increasingly likely that he would win the presidency, especially after a disastrous debate with Obama, who is in my opinion one of the best orators we've had in decades. The commentary I'm hearing today sounds very familiar, and I don't think the MSM was any less toxic (especially to a black man).

[TSExile]

49. I will take President Biden on his worst day, ANY day...

...over a RAPIST, FELON, INSURRECTIONIST, TRAITOR. That is all.

[panfluteman]

50. Yep - The Debate May Serve as a Needed Wake Up Call to Voters Reminding Them of What's at Stake in This Election

The old proverbs that it's darkest before the dawn, and that every dark cloud has a silver lining are also pertinent here.

[moose966]

52. Presidential Election of 1984

I wish the talking heads of the news networks and worried democrats would do their homework and read about the first debate between Rnald Reagan and Walter Mondale in 1984, the year that reagan who was President at the time was running for re-election. At that debate Reagan looked and performed terrible almost like what President Biden looked like last Thursday night. Everybody then was wondering if Reagan was already too old to run again for re-election just like some people are doing now with Biden.
Reagan was not only re-elected that year but it was a complete blowout of Walter Mondale that November.
So dear fellow democrats, quit worrying and continue your support of Joe Biden. Reagan did not have near as good an economy as Biden has now and he was running against a normal, competent and reasonably well liked opponent in Mondale. And he aced the election. Our Joe Biden will do as well. He had a bad night last Thursday but at the end of the day he has proved to be one hell of a competent president and he is running against a convicted felon, sexual predator of women and morbidly fat asshole who has the IQ of a rock.

[hueymahl]

56. That is some nice Hopium you are smoking

"Therefore, in the long run, last night might have been positive"

Not saying we can't come back, but I prefer to live in the real world.

[nolabear]

57. What a dreadful term.

[moose966]

60. 1984 Election

No Hueymahl I do not smoke Hopium whatever that is, in fact I do not smoke at all.
Biden had a terrible debate but I am not going to give up on him because of that. That is what the Repugs want us to do. Just look at what Biden has done over the last 3-1/2 years. And what he continues to do. I know he is old, but only 3 years older that the Orange Jesus. And in much better physical and mental condition. Anyway please don't give up and continue to support Biden!

[hueymahl]

65. I'm not giving up

Far from it. My point is that we need to stop looking at things through rose colored glasses. Denying what we saw or justifying it away with excuses like a "cold" is fine for spinning press narratives, but as his core supporters, lets be real about the situation.

I'm going to do everything I'm capable of to reelect him. But I am not going to lie to myself just because it makes me feel better.

[skip fox]

63. You're missing the reason.

Biden can reverse the impression of the debates by appearing often. unscripted, and strong, but Trump can never shake the impression of a liar, in fact he'll just lie some more if he tries, and the impression was solidified Thursday night due to the number of viewers and the list of lies fact-checkers provided post-debate.

Making it important that we know and repeat their findings. Here's a good summary:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/video/fact-check-cnn-presidential-debate-trump-biden-dale-digvid

[hueymahl]

66. Good points

I think he can reverse the damage. He did so somewhat at the past two campaign stops.

[Turbineguy]

62. Biden feels better today

Trump is still, and will always be, a piece of shit.

During the debate, Biden was operating behind enemy lines. And with the ABC debate, it will probably be similar.