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Irish_Dem

(59,727 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:22 AM Jul 2024

US GOP/oligarchs/bribable leaders/MAGA cult are done with democracy.

Democracy no longer serves their need for unlimited power and wealth.

The GOP cannot win by legal means, democracy gets in their way. The GOP ideas are not popular. Most American voters do not want to live under white male christian minority rule, a dark handmaiden tale of dystopia.

The voters want billionaires to pay their fair share and have some regulation to protect the average person from their greed.

Other politicians and leaders are only too happy to take bribes from the rich, all they have to do is pass laws for their benefactors.

Most voters do not like outright in our face greed and corruption.

So the GOP and the rich have decided democracy is over in the US. Install fascism and they too can have what Putin and Xi have in their countries. Total permanent power and access to all US financial assets.

And the MAGA cult is fine with all of this. Democracy means giving certain groups equal rights which they cannot tolerate.

We can see they will use whatever means necessary to damage a US president who is clearly on the side of the American people and supports democracies around the world.


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US GOP/oligarchs/bribable leaders/MAGA cult are done with democracy. (Original Post) Irish_Dem Jul 2024 OP
Yeah, well that's it, in a nutshell. bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #1
Yes it is going to be ongoing. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #2
They might have to share. travelingthrulife Jul 2024 #3
Or talk about it in concrete terms. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #5
Going forward, perfessor Jul 2024 #4
Exactly. They win one election and goodbye democracy. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #7
David Frum: CousinIT Jul 2024 #6
Yep. It is obvious. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #8

bucolic_frolic

(47,607 posts)
1. Yeah, well that's it, in a nutshell.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:32 AM
Jul 2024

This is not a schism which will heal anytime soon. We will keep returning to this point.

Any chance of swaying a few MAGA %? Our side is being poisoned with false narratives.

How do we win this election? While I think we could do so, there is still SCOTUS on the other side. Our long term prospects are slim.

Irish_Dem

(59,727 posts)
2. Yes it is going to be ongoing.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:42 AM
Jul 2024

The US rich and powerful will not give up easily.

Selling out democracy and the American people for
unlimited power and wealth is a no brainer for them.

Swaying the MAGAs may be a waste of time.

Election cheating is being worked on as we speak.

And as you point out, the US Supreme Court Junta
can easily call/overturn any election, they have done so in the past.

There is one remedy however, but it will not be pretty.
Humans are experiential learners, and tend to learn things the hard way.
At the same time I believe humans are hardwired for freedom.
They may have to lose their freedom to learn what they need to learn.

travelingthrulife

(953 posts)
3. They might have to share.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:42 AM
Jul 2024

We need to keep hammering on wealth inequality. One glaring issue is that many Americans don't seem to really understand how much wealth a billionaire has. They don't grasp what a billion looks like. They buy into oil and gas company (and other big corporations) subsidies and tax breaks when these companies are making billions in profit. They hear nothing about the impact of corporate stock buy backs from our media.

Young people seem to be into anime and other cartoon formats. Maybe this can illustrate wealth disparity better.

Irish_Dem

(59,727 posts)
5. Or talk about it in concrete terms.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:44 AM
Jul 2024

The US is the richest country in the history of the world.

Yet other modern countries live a lifestyle we can only dream about.
Free education, free healthcare, parental leave, substantial vacation time,
child care, freedom from gun deaths, etc.

CousinIT

(10,485 posts)
6. David Frum:
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:45 AM
Jul 2024

"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."

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