So what did Vance have to do to get the VP slot?

[Irish_Dem]

We know the competition was fierce, with people pulling all kinds of stunts to impress Trump.

And I am sure there was backroom wheeling and dealing.

We know it is not about who could do the best job.
Or who could get the most votes (that would be Nikki Haley.)

So how much cash did Vance have to pony up?
And what else did he have to promise Trump to get the job?

No way Trump would bestow something so valuable without a quid pro quo.

[Joinfortmill]

1. Vance had to pledge his soul

[Maeve]

24. That's cheap ..a thing he's already sold

[Aviation Pro]

2. It was neck and neck between all the finalists

And Fake Hillbilly gave himself enough rope to be tied to the nomination.

[walkingman]

3. Be a fan of Duck Dynasty?

[LeftInTX]

10. Seems right to me! Have a name the goes well with Trump? Trump/Vance....

[Zambero]

66. Just like Trump/Pence?

Funny that the white-haired fly magnet is missing from the ticket this go-round!

[Freethinker65]

4. Big money backing him. Will do as told.

[Irish_Dem]

5. How much did Vance have to pay Trump personally and also bring to the campaign?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. Thiel is footing the bill. . . . nt

[Irish_Dem]

17. Theil is worth $8 billion.

He could hand over $1B and not miss it.

[Initech]

98. Also appears on Fox News 24 hours a day.

[WarGamer]

6. He was pushed by the tech bros billionaires club.

Musk just made $$$ donation to Trump Super PAC last week...

Peter Thiel is Vance's puppet master.

[Irish_Dem]

11. So Trump cut the deal w/Vance's backers?

How much do you think they paid Trump?
For the campaign and Trump's personal off shore account?

Any other promises made?

[WarGamer]

30. Musk made a "substantial" donation to the Trump Super PAC last week

We'll soon know how much.

[Irish_Dem]

54. Probably just the down payment.

I will be curious to see the actual numbers.

[WarGamer]

70. $45m/month... that's the number.

[Irish_Dem]

73. $45m per month?

Until the campaign is over?

[WarGamer]

93. yeah... $200m -ish

[Irish_Dem]

94. Thanks. The billionaires want Trump to win.

They are so done with democracy.

[Dorian Gray]

77. That's why it's funny to me that Trump chose him

Thiel is his master. He may kiss Trump's ass, but he'll absolutely be doing Thiel's bidding.

[FakeNoose]

7. My guess is that someone gave the Chump campaign a LOT of dough

... and told him to pick Vance. Don't know who, but it will become obvious sooner or later.

Maybe Tim Mellon, or Peter Thiel, or ??? A lot of money changed hands, I'm sure of it.

[Irish_Dem]

14. Wargamer and others saying Thiel.

There could be more of course.

How much money do you think?

[bucolic_frolic]

16. Trump once said Thiel would be a great SCOTUS nominee

My guess is that's part of the deal, or it's Thiel's choice.

Trump may appear to ramble on and on, but the ideas never change.

[Irish_Dem]

19. VP slot AND Scotus. Not a penny less than one billion dollars.

VP slot to flip to POTUS at some point.

Theil is worth $8 billion.
He can well afford one billion dollars.

And if Vance makes it to WH and Thiel to the Supreme Court he can earn back his investment easily.

[TommyT139]

90. SCOTUS would be awkward....

I mean, would Peter Thiel divorce his husband, or would already-married gay couples get grandfathered in?

Honestly, it would be easier for him to just hire someone to do all the scutwork of sitting and hearing cases a few months out of the year.

[Irish_Dem]

92. No, GOP hypocrisy is well known and tolerated by the cult.

The GOP elite does not care about abortion, LGBT, etc issues.
It is just red meat for the cult members.

And the GOP is immune from any laws and rules.
They are exempt of course.

They use the laws to protect and enrich themselves.
And to punish and control everyone else.

But yes you have a point.
Thiel is rich enough to just hire a lackey to sit on the bench
and do the dirty work. Like he is doing with Vance.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. He is Thiel's pawn. Undoubtedly Thiel has promised tRump millions. . . . . nt

[Irish_Dem]

15. The VP slot was valuable, worth at least millions.

I don't think Trump would sell it for less than $10 million.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

12. His nose lube carried just the right hint of minty zest. nt

[H2O Man]

13. A Mike Pence impression

[Ocelot II]

18. He had to be meaner and nastier than anyone else.

Rubio has a kind of wimpy vibe and Burgum is just bland. Vance is as mean as a snake so he's perfect, and never mind all the B.S. about TFG wanting to tone down the rhetoric and "bring the country together." He was never going to even try, because his base doesn't want all that kind and friendly stuff. They want mean; that's why they liked TFG in the first place.

[Irish_Dem]

21. Yes but Trump would not give away something so valuable.

People were begging for the VP slot.
Trump would of course have monetized it.

But yes the mean, nasty vibe was an attraction for Trump.
However, there are many mean nasty people Trump could have chosen.

Most likely some greenbacks tipped the scales.

[Ocelot II]

22. I'm sure there was some kind of compensation involved.

But Vance's basic meanness probably tipped the scales.

[Irish_Dem]

26. Cruel, mean, nasty person and a huge amount of cash.

Irresistible combination for Trump.

[Talitha]

20. Does Vance have a young daughter?

[IzzaNuDay]

25. Yes he does have a daughter (b. 2021) n/t

[JCMach1]

23. This is about Peter Thiel and dark money...

[Irish_Dem]

27. Appears to be the consensus.

Thiel is also said to want a Supreme Court spot.

[TommyT139]

89. And not just Thiel

Vance has his fingers in many pies, with connections to Elaine Chao's family (Mrs. McConnell, also ultra rich Chinese shipping family); Rumble (right-wing YouTube substitute), and also that sketchy opioid treatment/prevention nonprofit, which did...nothing much.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-vance-venture-capital-opioid-nonprofit-tech-record-ohio-senate-2021-8?op=1

No paywall: https://archive.is/kkovt

Also, it's worth noting that Vance's wife clerked for Injustice Roberts and worked for (with?) Brett Kavanaugh.

They're all thick as thieves.

[Irish_Dem]

97. Vance sounds like a disgusting busy little bee.

[greymattermom]

28. He's short

so Trump will look tall next to him.

[Irish_Dem]

29. Not good looking so won't threaten Trump.

[CincyDem]

31. Vance: "hi Donald, have you met my close friend Peter Thiel?"

[Irish_Dem]

33. Trump: "Tell him cash only."

[CincyDem]

35. lol. Unmarked used bills only.

[Irish_Dem]

36. Yes Trump would be very careful.

He is not going to leave any paper trails.

Campaigns are a perfect way to launder money via dark money contributions.

[AntiFascist]

32. Maybe he made him an offer he couldn't refuse?

[Irish_Dem]

34. What kind of offer?

I need details, all of them.

[AntiFascist]

39. I always get in trouble for pushing conspiracy theories...

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and I don't really believe this one yet, but if I had to choose one, this would make the most sense:

Whether or not Trump was neutralized, the attempt could be viewed as a win-win situation for certain members of the GOP. As a martyr it would energize the party to support someone like Vance.

Vance seems to be associated with donors who have incredible financial resources and could cover the tracks.

The shooter seems to fit the profile of a "never Trumper" Republican.
There may have been a pause before giving the go-ahead to kill the shooter who was spotted by counter-snipers. This is likely under investigation.

That's all I can say on the matter...

On edit: I should point out that according to Snopes, the 4chan post by the man who claims to be the counter-sniper is "unfounded" and the police depts involved have no record of anyone with the name given:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/claims-4chan-post-self-proclaimed-172000287.html

[Irish_Dem]

41. I am asking for speculation. We don't know the answer yet.

When it comes to Trump, Putin, the GOP nothing is off the table in terms of possibilities.

Most law abiding people have a very hard time wrapping their heads around what these people
are capable of. Trump is a ruthless criminal and those are the kind of people he partners with.

The stakes are very high and they will do anything to get what they want.
Money and power. Everything else is just collateral damage.

I agree, there are serious questions about the rally and what exactly went down.
The puzzling gap between identifying a shooter on a roof and neutralization is one of them.

One of Vance's backer is worth $8B and very ruthless.

[albacore]

37. My only question is: Is Vance a swallower or a spitter? nt

[Irish_Dem]

38. Wouldn't surprise at all if this was part of the audition.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

40. Vance is an ultra-MAGA extremist who's ready to help Trump pass his Project 2025 agenda.

Link to tweet

[Irish_Dem]

44. Vance can do all the dirty work and heavy lifting.

Trump can play golf and pretend to be the nice easy going one.

[applegrove]

42. Big skinny liar blamed Biden for the shooting.

So now we have the big liars ticket on the right.

[Irish_Dem]

75. Not just liars, ruthless sociopaths.

Who will do anything for money and power.

[applegrove]

80. Spawns of Putin. Sociopath's fluffers.

[Irish_Dem]

83. Exactly, Putin has trained them well.

Putin showed the GOP how to get permanent and total power.
And access to all state financial assets.

And how to terrorize the population into compliance.

[Blue Full Moon]

43. Peter Thiel

[Irish_Dem]

45. Seems like all roads lead back to Peter Thiel.

[Blue Full Moon]

46. Yep

Nazi

[Irish_Dem]

47. Trump's new handler.

Thiel most likely just paid Trump a fortune to put his boy Vance on the ticket.

[Blue Full Moon]

48. Supreme Court nomination is what he wants.

Vance is a liar. Born and raised in Middletown. Not in Appalachia at all. He’s a flatlander all the way.

[Irish_Dem]

49. VP AND SC justice spots must have cost Thiel a great deal of money.

He is worth $8 billion.

Trump would not give these two jobs away for free.

[Blue Full Moon]

51. Isn't that supposed to be illegal?

[Irish_Dem]

53. Rewards are legal. Trump has total immunity anyway.

[Blue Full Moon]

57. That's right I forgot. I bet the founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

[Irish_Dem]

60. Hard to keep up with all the "get out of jail free" cards the judges give Trump.

Yes the FF are rolling over in their graves.
It would break their hearts to see all of this happening.
They risked their lives to establish this democracy.
And it is being sold out to the highest bidder and our enemies.

[Blue Full Moon]

63. Absolutely

Just read article on breaking news form that the majority of people are willing to fight against tfg than for him. Not that I want that. These magots have been wanting violence for years and I think it’s closer than people want to believe. I worked with them at the plant I used to work at. They are mainly ex-Navy but some of the other branches also. They are scary.
But not going down that path. I truly believe that Biden has this. I had a supervisor at work and he always told me that people will do the right thing.

[Irish_Dem]

72. I hope you are right.

[DemocraticPatriot]

50. I think Vance got the job when he blamed Biden for the assassination attempt.

Trump might attempt to appear 'Lincolnesque' in his acceptance speech,
but Vance is his signal to the deplorable party base
that nothing has changed. "Watch what I do, not what I say"

[Irish_Dem]

56. That may have be a piece of it.

Trump would want more than that.

[DemocraticPatriot]

59. Does JD have any young daughters ?

[stonecutter357]

52. So what did Vance have to do to get the VP slot ? He gave trump a blowjob ?

[Irish_Dem]

58. Sex and large sums of cash. You are getting close.

[JoseBalow]

68. You say that like it's a joke,

but he very well may have blown drumpf as a loyalty test, especially after the past things Vance has said about him...

Vance is dedicated! And he does look a lot like Gary!

[Initech]

55. Yeah, what does the Fox Multi Level Marketing Firm have on him?

[blm]

61. Putin, Thiel, and Musk wanted him. Trump genuflected.

[Irish_Dem]

62. Hard to say no to the Holy Trinity.

Especially if the request is made with a lot of cash attached.

[ecstatic]

64. I think scotus and the heritage group did a quid pro quo

Immunity for vance.

[Irish_Dem]

76. This is a given.

This is one reason Vance is strutting around the convention like the king of the mountain.
He has been anointed and immune for all crimes he will commit.

[CanonRay]

65. Probably nothing. Murdoch, Musk and another oligarch wanted him.

Money still talks.

[Irish_Dem]

74. Yes of course, Vance's minders cut the deal.

So what did the minders offer Trump?

[The Magistrate]

67. Not Sure, Sir, But I Expect He Finished It With 'The ARISTOCRATS!'

[JoseBalow]

69. Bravo!

[GaYellowDawg]

71. I don't know

But I'm sure he had to clean his beard thoroughly afterward.

[GreenWave]

78. Be beholden to silicone valley tax chiselers.

[Emile]

79. Probably the Christian right chose him

for his stance on abortion.

[Irish_Dem]

81. Trump doesn't care about the abortion issue.

There had to be a personal benefit to Trump.

[Emile]

82. He can't win without the Christian right vote.

[Irish_Dem]

84. Yes, but Trump would demand more than just that piece from his VP.

There are many other christian VP candidates.

[Emile]

85. True, but I still think the Christian right chose this guy.

I'm just guessing here?

[Irish_Dem]

87. Vance is backed by Thiel, who is anti-democracy.

Not an evangelical.

But yes the Christian angle is part of the window dressing.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

86. Kiss Trump's yuge ass

[Irish_Dem]

88. Well yes all the VP hopefuls did that, it was a disgusting display.

[doc03]

91. Apparently, he was better at it then Tim Scott

[TheProle]

95. Sell out women and democracy

[Irish_Dem]

96. Yep. Vance ticked all the boxes and brought big cash.