I feel SO DAMN BAD for Joe Biden.

[calimary]

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He’s done GREAT things for Americans and for peace in the world.

He’s gotten more done in three-and-a-half years than any other President I can think of. (And I just squeaked in beyond my 60s).

And he’s been faithful, true, and honest - as a man, a husband, a father, and a world leader.

And we’re all supposed to just kick him to the corner now? And without so much as a single heartfelt thank you?

This makes me so mad I could just SCREAM!

[OneGrassRoot]

1. same 😢 n/t

[GPV]

2. Yeah, he's done so much.

[Grammy23]

137. If the party is so grateful for his record and service ....

They have a mighty piss poor way of showing it. He deserves far more respect than he is being shown. And the undignified way they have handled this whole “Biden must go” debacle is just shameful. If the consequences weren’t so risky, if I was in President Biden’s shoes, I’d tell them all where they can shove it.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

3. So do I. For Jill too. This must be killing her.

President Biden deserves so much better than this! It's both infuriating and heartbreaking!

[gab13by13]

4. I agree, but remember,

getting mad is OK, just don't give up, because making people despondent is in the fascist play book.

[Deuxcents]

9. Absolutely.

[calimary]

70. YEP!!! " just don't give up, because making people despondent is in the fascist play book."

Abso-freakin’-lutely!!!

[Tweedy]

89. No doubt

So play nice dems and support our nominee
Help. Leave the hindering to the gop

[Lovie777]

5. It's brutal...................

and the man is tough. Strong leader not whiny like that other guy,

[RiverStone]

6. I feel it's possible to love Joe Biden and still honor that he may need to step down

Add to that tons of thanks and gratitude for being an excellent president. His current challenge takes nothing away from his accomplishments!!

What has prevailed in the thinking of many prominent Democrats is it's no fault of his own, but something none of us can avoid.... which is the eventual impacts of aging.

[Mad_Machine76]

14. But what bothers me the most

is that we didn't have this discussion/debate during the primary season. Now, we're talking about getting rid of our presumptive nominee FOUR MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION when he was almost literally just as old!

[In It to Win It]

32. That debate performance didn't exist during the primary season.

[tazkcmo]

39. One bad debate performance?

Horse shit.

[In It to Win It]

42. I agree that it was just one bad performance and all of it is bullshit

but I'm just saying that was the catalyst, and that catalyst wasn't there during primary season.

[tazkcmo]

44. I repeat.

Horse shit. It's not a catalyst. He's the ONLY President to be treated this way while several eventual winning incumbents also had bad debates.

Horse. Shit.

[PatSeg]

73. Spot on!

He does not deserve this and WE don't deserve it either.

[58Sunliner]

86. I agree.

[Oppaloopa]

142. Ronald Reagan used to fall asleep at cabinets meetings

[Moostache]

59. Amen....people starting looking for a reason to piss themselves BEFORE the debate...

The debate just gave them a concrete example.

Someone needs to explain to me why 81/82 is soooooooooooooooooooo much older than 78.
The entire administration is responsible for leading the country, and to try to pretend that the POTUS alone and in isolation must make EVERY decision and run EVERY element of the government is bullshit too.

The higher you go in any organization, the less actual work you do and the more responsibility for delegation and oversight you assume. Trump showed that he was only adept at destruction and tear down, Biden? The polar opposite.

[Bitbit]

64. No it didn't.

But it was one night.
Trump has been a lying, babbling, insane criminal for years and getting worse. Now, he is also a convicted felon and his damn party stands behind him 1,000%.

[In It to Win It]

76. Yes, Trump has been the same piece of shit we've known, and his party doesn't give a fuck. Our party is not that.

We cater to a different audience.

[58Sunliner]

88. The only party is looks like we are catering to is the donor class.

[calimary]

103. Welcome to DU, Bitbit!

Glad you're here!

And YES, DAMMIT! It was ONE NIGHT.

DAMMIT!!!

[Bitbit]

129. Thank you.

I’m not exactly a newbie. I am close to an original from 2001. DU was new. I’ve had different names that I don’t remember. I’ve been back many times and left for breaks. I always come back during elections. It’s sanity in an insane world.
Thanks again

[Mad_Machine76]

155. It's been 3 weeks since

and he's done just about everything his critics have demanded of him to show he is still capable.

[Ms. Toad]

46. We should have. No doubt.

Although I didn't express it at the time - because any expression of doubts about Biden was immediately blasted as ageist - I was concerned at the time. But it was a given that once he decided to run, he would be essentially unopposed.

And there wasn't any concrete evidence - at that time - that he was aging rapidly. The debate performance, his reaction to his debate performance (deny, deflect, excuse), and the observations of people who see him on a regular basis suggest that may have changed.

So the timing sucks. But pretending the conversation doesn't need to happen serves no one, and having it now is better than having it 2 months from now.

[edisdead]

110. Excuse me?

When did he deny and deflect? He has said many times “I had a bad night”

[travelingthrulife]

113. There is no conversation, just a bunch of people giving their personal

opinion, without any substantive reason given, then loudly braying for Biden to step down because of unspoken 'reasons'.

[Ms. Toad]

122. You're right there's no conversation.

As to the rest we'll have to disagree as to who is doing the braying.

[luvtheGWN]

149. One bad debate. And now he is aging rapidly?

I’m a musician. Many years ago I played at a music festival. I was suffering from a very bad cold. I played Clair de Lune. The notes were all there but the emotion wasn’t. I didn’t win (which, with some modesty, was unusual for me….).

All this to say that tossing someone because of a bad debate (which every commentator, opinionator and politician refers to ) is f##king nuts.

Although I can’t vote, I can tell you that we Canucks are truly terrified of trump.

[ancianita]

55. EXACTLY.

The timing is not of our making.

It's a propaganda campaign to sow doubt and fake logic about "love Joe but he's got to go".

What's Joe's superpower? Being underestimated!

And WE have won the last three elections. In 2020? Biden-Harris 81,282,916 votes!

THAT NUMBER IS THE HIDDEN FIGURE. JOE KNOWS IT.

Do not succumb to frustration, fear, and doubt here. It's driven by anti-democracy oligarchs' propaganda campaign.

[DownriverDem]

65. Not to mention

what happens to VP Harris? I see postings where folks don't believe she can win against trump. This all makes me sad.

[WA-03 Democrat]

16. Fuck that

I attend the primary and voted for him. He won. Its simple.

[CTyankee]

68. My thoughts as well. I love Joe and I want him to be healthy and happy.

[edisdead]

108. I couldn't possibly disagree more.

This is beyond disrespectful. We had a process and they are trying to negate that process. If dem leadership goes along with this the party is lost. We will never live it down that we bowed down to the money people and I will never be able to trust them again.

[slightlv]

135. Amen! My sentiments exactly.

[GoreWon2000]

141. You think it's ok to throw out 14 million dem party primary votes?

Why are you ignoring tRump being 78 and showing ever increasing signs of dementia?

[demmiblue]

8. I do, too.

[proud patriot]

10. I'm furious

grrr

[dlk]

11. President Biden has been an outstanding president

He deserves so much better than this.

[Ms. Toad]

51. This isn't about what Biden deserves.

It is about what the country needs. That may be Biden. It may not. But the presidency isn't about rewarding someone for what they have done in the past. It is about choosing someone for their ability to lead the country in the next 4 years. That definitely isn't Trump. So we need to be very sure it is our candidate - and that whoever that is can beat Trump.

[DownriverDem]

72. Okay, but

wouldn't you agree that he is leading the country and doing the job now?

[Ms. Toad]

123. My true is his leadership is mixed,

[MorbidButterflyTat]

85. How do you choose someone for their ability to lead

without acknowledging President Biden's previous leadership?

How will we "be very sure" of a candidate with less than four months before the election?

President Joe Biden is the Democratic candidate.

[Felicita]

94. Great point about Joe's leadership

"How do you choose someone for their ability to lead without acknowledging President Biden's previous leadership?" Not to mention his current leadership in the face of the MSM and several doubting Dems with possible self interests.
Go Joe!

[calimary]

104. Welcome to DU, Felicita!

That IS INDEED a great point!

And they all start with a set of flowery praise for everything Joe Biden has done as President... BUT.

Why can't they just stop at the list of everything Joe Biden has done as President?

[Keepthesoulalive]

87. There is no one to step in Bidens place

He has a crack team and they have done an excellent job of running this country. All of the other suggested candidates will not be able to put together a team in 6 months.

[calimary]

116. And Welcome to DU, to you, too, Keepthesoulalive!

That's what ELSE bothers me. If not Biden, WHO? Kamala may be ready to lead the country, but I'm not sure the country is ready for Kamala.

I'd LOVE to see it. I think she has what it takes, and she is and has been a TERRIFIC Vice President. She's gone around the world waving America's banner, and she knows all the players. And she's got a smart, level head on her shoulders, LOTS of experience, and a VERY respectable resume. I already expect to vote for her at some point - maybe sooner than later.

If things turn out that Biden steps away and Kamala takes over, well then, SHE'S got my vote, TOO!!!

[Keepthesoulalive]

161. Thank you

I’ve been here a long time. I volunteer for my local dem group but I felt the need to speak up.
This is end game. If Joe does not win the monied interests take over and be they republicans or democrats we will all lose.

[Self Esteem]

107. The fallacy of your argument...

Which has been the root problem from the start:

So we need to be very sure it is our candidate - and that whoever that is can beat Trump.

None of these people who have attacked Joe, demanded he step down, have presented anywhere near an answer to this point. It's stupidity run amok. It's amateur hour here. They've laid out zero plan on what they'll do if Biden steps down and they have not given us any reason to believe that plan will be better than if the entire party had rallied around Biden after his debate performance.

It's been three fucking weeks and they still haven't presented anything close to a plan. Yet we're expected to trust them? Are you kidding me?

We're supposed to just dump Biden, despite the fact he's still polling within the MOE of Trump in pretty much every major swing state he needs to win - and this after a month of bad publicity - on the hope that the Democrats, who have looked utterly incompetent in messaging here, will somehow come up with a better plan?

Don't you think you should have a plan in place before you force Biden out?

Just an absolute shit-show and we're expected to trust these people to not fuck it up in the next month. Yeesh.

[jumptheshadow]

109. The double-edged sword

Would a replacement candidate be able to reach their potential with the following factors feeding into the equation:

1) Resentment and a gut-wrenching loss of enthusiasm from regular party members who are appalled with the way this situation has been handled.

2) The Kamala question: Will Ms. Harris be deemed strong enough to run on her own? If she is shuttled aside, then what happens to the party's base?

3) Who gets to choose the new nominee? What voice will regular party members have in the selection? What voice will traditional Democratic constituencies have in the selection?

4) How much negative impact does the situation have on small donations? On voter turnout? On the overall future of the Democratic party?

The transition to a robust campaign would require the unmitigated endorsement, indeed, the enthusiastic approval, of both President Biden and Vice President Harris, if she is not the replacement candidate. It will require all-out campaigning by President Biden, Vice President Harris, President Obama, President Clinton, and specific and sustained outreach to the Democratic base by some of the leading protagonists in this drama, including Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Charles Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, and any Democratic politician who has called for President Biden's departure.

And remember that brilliant remark in this thread about how fascists thrive on creating despondency in their rivals. Anger fuels despondency, too. We all know that, at the end of the day, we must unite, whether you are comfortable or come from modest means, because the ascension of Donald Trump is worse than the Joe Biden situation and the current perceived gap between the party's elites and its rank-and-file.

[edisdead]

112. So track record means nothing?

What in the world are we discussing here?

[Bengus81]

144. Seriously?? His ability to lead again comes from what Biden did in the past four years.

We don't just throw out Biden's four years and call it ancient history. What he put into place doesn't end in Jan 2025, infrastructure projects, the Chips act etc,etc, etc all go on and on unless Fat HITLER gets elected.

Infighting by certain Dems inside the party and outside intent on getting Biden out will ensure that will happen.

[Mad_Machine76]

12. I wish

I could recommend this a thousand times.

[Tumbulu]

13. Me too

I have taken to praying for him. A lot. And then come here to get respite from the stupidity of the Democratic elites.

This strikes me as a lose lose proposition, and for the life of me, I cannot figure it out.

[BadgerMom]

15. 💯 agree.

This has all been enough that this lifelong Dem (age 18-71) is contemplating 1.) moving to another country or 2.) changing registration to independent.

If we’re as beholden to billionaire donors as the Republicans, why effing bother?

[Big Blue Marble]

119. We have been dependent on big donor money for a very long time.

Who do you think paid for Hillary's campaign or Biden 2020? Our elections at all
levels are funded by the power players who buy the influence on both sides to
control all aspects of our government.

[recovering_democrat]

17. Not just sad. Seriously dangerous time is coming

A Georgia teenager first voted at 18 for Presidency and have never missed an election since. Sometimes very happy and enthusiastic, sometimes barely cautious about the candidates.

My proudest moment was voting for a female candidate, Mrs. Clinton, a wow I sincerely hope in "old age" that I make it to a I for another woman in my lifetime.

I am furious with the "mess" of this year's Presidential election, both Republicans already-established choices that should not even be eligible for election to this high office, and separately it appears there may be a final effort here to remove current President Biden from the Democrat ballot.
A wishing and hoping comment at last. I WILL VOTE. that is certain. I have sometimes shared who I voted for before but not always, since it is a personal decision.

This year, I will absolutely share with my friends and Democratic Underground who I actually did vote for on election day. I will hope we are happy with the future of our nation.

[allegorical oracle]

18. When you think about it ... from day one

He wins the election, but nobody is there on Inauguration Day for the WH breakfast welcome traditionally hosted by every outgoing first family. The Trumps have left. The Capitol and the Inaugural decorations and scaffolding are newly repaired and replaced after being torn up during the Jan. 6 insurrection.

He takes office and guides the country through a pandemic that was at its worst with thousands of deaths every week.

And it's been a continual battle with Repukes and conservative media ever since. He accomplished much and now he's being ushered out because he's "too old" by his own party.

Enough to make me sick at best or cry at worst. He and Jill are really decent people, but the thankless country has given them the metaphorical back of its hand.

[slightlv]

136. You pointing this out like this

Made me realize why this pushes a hot button in me so bad. I was forced out of my job because of disability and the refusal to allow 2 days teleworking, although everything I did was wifi. I had 20+ years of seniority, a historical knowledge of processes and procedures and was unceremoniously dumped.

This is what is happening to Joe, and it just chaps. He deserves so much more than this. Hell, WE voted in the primaries... WE deserve better from our leaders.

I know how my unwanted retirement still hurts these 4 years hence. I'm not going to be part of doing this to Joe.

[LoisB]

19. I agree. I've been sending messages to the White House imploring President Biden to stay strong and not

allow himself to be pushed out. We still need him.

[brush]

20. Same here. He deserves so much better after all he's accomplished.

Dems could take a lesson from rethugs. They know how to get in lockstep behind their candidate...even the orange, criminal turd they're backing now.

[allegorical oracle]

36. Repugs have been building their brand of "unity" for decades. With the help of Crowe, the Koch

Brothers, Wall Street and now Musk. Dollars fund candidates. Republicans have always been the party of wealth; Dems are the party of the working people. Today's Rs are still the party of wealth, but they've given marvelous lip service (lies) to lure in the working population.

[ancianita]

74. BUT. To Repugs, "unity" equals "uniformity." That's not the Democratic Party's frame -- we KNOW unity isn't uniformity

WE have won the working people's vote for the last three election cycles. And we'll keep winning it because working people won't be fooled by Trump.

[XarmyGal]

79. I That's what im talking about

We have no one to blame but ourselves. A house divided...

[StarryNite]

21. We don't even have an explanation for why they

are trying to oust him. This is all such total bullshit. We voted for President Biden.

Go Joe! We have your back!

[PatSeg]

82. A lot of them thought they were getting a

"moderate" president and Joe turned out to be quite liberal in many ways. Corporate donors probably aren't happy with a progressive in the White House and could be letting members of congress know that.

[edisdead]

115. That is it exactly!

[PatSeg]

121. I'm not going to go off on some conspiracy theory,

but corporate donors interfering in the election is hardly farfetched. My biggest disappointment is the members of congress who have called for Biden to step down. This Al Franken all over again, but 100 or even1000 fold.

[Victory at Yorktown]

146. Exactly this is the reason they should back Biden as the best candidate to win

That Biden seems the “moderate” and has wider appeal than more liberal options, but pushes a liberal agenda in actuality.

[PatSeg]

148. Yes, it is a perfect persona for a candidate

Look moderate, but govern progressively. Essentially, he has been giving people want they actually want without looking like a left-wing firebrand.

[bdamomma]

156. And

He's a Union Man!!! The GQP hates that.

Unfortunately, they have no use for the American people.

Oh let's show them how much power we have!!!

[PatSeg]

158. The American people are for using

They want their money and their cheap labor. They certainly don't want collective bargaining.

Meanwhile, they are getting a booming economy and a record-breaking stock market, but alas, no more tax cuts for the uber wealthy.

[bdamomma]

159. President

Joe needs to sucker punch the wealthy donor class.

[Lulu KC]

100. THIS is the question

These are not people who act impulsively without a damn good plan. So tell us, people! Stop being mean to Joe!

[BigmanPigman]

22. It really pisses me off to see this happen

to a wonderful human and experienced politician. I've been asking myself,the same question over and over, "Why would anyone want to go through this? Why would anyone want to be a POTUS?".

[NJCher]

40. empathy much?

to a wonderful human and experienced politician. I've been asking myself,the same question over and over, "Why would anyone want to go through this? Why would anyone want to be a POTUS?".

You guys are all acting like human beings with feelings 'n stuff. Believe me, Joe Biden is not hurting in the least at any of this bullshit. He's seen it all before. Joe knows he's in the catbird seat and might even privately be laughing at them.

Think about it: how many times has a politician said horrific things about his adversary and then a year later says exactly the opposite.

With republicans it's particularly prevalent. Look at J.D. Vance, one of many who was a never trumper and now thinks trump's the Orange Jesus.

It goes on with Dems, too, but not as crudely as with republicans.

Joe knows that when he gets through all this, he will forgive them all because they all need each other to make things work. They know it, too.

[cpamomfromtexas]

23. Agree but I won't forget the traitors

[niyad]

29. Same here.

[edisdead]

117. We need to make a list of which ones we know.

And raise money to primary their asses next election.

through with these fucking people. Get candidates that won’t bend the knee to big donors. We will need to fund them for sure but we need to find a primary candidate and start raising money like right now.

[calimary]

133. This!

VERY disappointed in Jamie Raskin. TREMENDOUSLY disappointed. Shoulda kept yer mouth shut, Mr. Congressman. I’ll be emptying the cats’ litter pans on your story, especially if you’re asking for money.

[PikaBlue]

139. Disappointed and Disillusioned

I'm feeling the same disappointment as you, Calimary. Jamie Raskin is from my state and I have such deep respect and affection for him. He is a man of deep reflection and compassion. Angry as I am with all those who are calling for Biden to step down, I simply cannot believe that they are deliberately seeking to harm our party or destroy our campaign to maintain control of the White House. This is so very painful for us all. We love Joe. We love his lifelong dedication to our country and her people. We owe him a huge debt of gratitude. We believe he can win in 2024. Right now, we are all afraid. We know how dire the 2024 election will be. I intend to stand by our voters' choice. In time, I'm certain the way forward will be made clear. Perhaps, what we need to remember as we try to control our emotions and calm troubled minds and hearts, is that we are devoted to democracy and to the ideals which are foundational to the dreams and sacrifices that shaped the creation of the U.S. Our commitment is far greater than our dedication to any one man. Whatever the outcome, nothing will ever diminish the esteem and appreciation which we feel for President Biden. Let us not discourage or castigate one another. Remember our values and our principles and unite in whatever manner in which we may be called upon to preserve and protect what each of us holds so dear. I am hopeful that Biden will choose to remain as our candidate. If he does not, every bit of anger and resentment I currently feel will be channeled into keeping Trump and his criminal cohort from getting their grubby hands on the levers of power and governance. We can settle the accounts of our differences with leaders of our own party once we win in November.

[Bluethroughu]

24. He tough. He's not a thin skinned orange anus.

He's going to continue to kick ass!

We're going to continue to back him up!

[enigmania]

25. It seems like

if the good don't die young they get kicked to the curb when it's convenient for those with ambition and avarice.

[madibella]

26. Me too. Of all people.

What did Lindsay Graham say about Joe? Something to the effect of if you don’t like Joe Biden, you must have something wrong with you.

But he’s a proven leader. He only stepped up to the challenge, but he steered this country through Covid, incredible gains in every area of economic, gross, low unemployment higher wages. Climate spending. I could go on and on. And this is what he gets? This??!

It literally makes me sick. Sick in a way that I will have a hard time ever trusting and organized party again. How could they?

[Irish_Dem]

27. Joe is going to do what is right for the American people.

He has been a public servant his entire adult like and that is how he is wired.

He is not naive. He knows politics eats their young.

He is the best of us.

[._.]

28. Joe's dealing w/something a lot of us deal with.

AGE DISCRIMINATION

[slightlv]

138. This x1000!!!!!

I'm sick of it. So easy and socially acceptable, IMHO. I've been talked down to today... age-splained as it were. As if my old feeble brain couldn't handle any new info..

[CousinIT]

30. America is full of ageist twats. n/t

[calimary]

33. FAR better to be an aging twat!

I’m sorry. I don’t mean to make light of your post, CousinIT. But the mental picture pretty much got in my face, demanding another “Bravo!”

[CousinIT]

80. Far better...

I agree!

[XanaDUer2]

31. I can't believe this is happening

The debate is an excuse. He is being treated like absolute shit

[DAML]

34. Me too

I want Joe Biden he is the best president in my lifetime. All those Dems (senators and House members questioning his fitness need to shut their pie holes and start supporting our President. By the way this is my first post on DU after following this site for years.

[ProfessorGAC]

52. Welcome To DU

I guess since you're not really new, welcome might not be the right word.
But, I think you know what I mean.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

160. Welcome to DU

[usonian]

35. Joe's fighting for me and I'm fighting for Joe.

[madaboutharry]

37. I do too.

There was a photo posted here yesterday of President Biden speaking with a homeless man. He was leaning in and engaged .There was the President of The United States talking with a man on the opposite end of society, yet you could see how he was relating to him as simply another human being.
That is who Joe Biden is, a man with an enormous heart.
It is painful to be witnessing this. I don't know what is the right thing for him to do. What I do know is that Nancy Pelosi was highly respected during her time as Speaker not only because of her political talent, but because she.understood the numbers. If what we are reading is true, then she is convinced the numbers aren't there and that he will lose. I believe her. We always believed her in the past, why wouldn't we believe her now.

Trump and his even more extremist running mate, J.D. Vance and their MAGA cohorts will make this country unrecognizable. That makes this election different from all the others in the past. If the republican nominee was someone like Mitt Romney, we would know the country we know would still be here in four years.That isn't true this time.

I think these are the reasons we are feeling so bereft and brokenhearted for such a good man.

[NJCher]

43. except the numbers aren't there

Did you read that Washington Post article on that topic?

A few days before it came out, I did my own analysis and published it in a post here. This is not motivated by the numbers. That's just what they want you to think.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

38. I am also feeling bad for President Biden

I do not understand why the party is trying to force him out

[Wingus Dingus]

41. Here's where I differ from other DUers.

He's been President for almost 4 years, VP for 8 years, Senator for 30 years. 50 years of power and prestige up to the highest levels. Aside from personal losses and tragedies, he appears to have had a life full of achievement and fulfillment. If he steps down, it's because he's simply aging out of the job, not because of incompetence or scandal or dishonor. He implied he was only to be a one-term President, had he stuck with that idea we wouldn't have this turmoil today. Why would I feel bad for him? The Bidens will be fine.

[Ilsa]

45. I agree. I kept wondering over the last

18 months when he was going to start promoting his replacement, preferably VP Harris, along with another seasoned legislator.

I want another win for him, and a full, non-covid inauguration. But I had also hoped for more "new blood" in leadership.

[Emile]

49. Biden said, My plan is to run for reelection.

That’s my expectation,” he said shortly after he was inaugurated.

[dflprincess]

47. He deserves better than this public discussion

If there are legitimate concerns, take it behind closed doors. Take Jill aside & speak to her, but stop trying to humiliate him into retiring.

[JoseBalow]

48. I can't wait for Joe to pwn these assholes

[ancianita]

50. Please don't succumb. Joe absolutely hasn't. This is oligarch owned media propaganda. No longer hype. Propaganda.

TechCrunch just posted on Facebook that "Elon Musk is now a villain in Joe Biden's presidential campaign."

Everyone on the thread said good for him, that Biden should go after all the oligarchs.

When I posted the list I've put together of 78 oligarchs along with a few words like "...If they don't like the longest standing democracy in human history, they can turn in their passports and self deport on their yachts and jets,"
I got a 'Heart' from Elon Musk!

Please don't be frustrated, calimary. This is exactly how they break us down on Earth 1. Like Joe says, "we can do ANYthing we put our mind to if we do it together. "

[calimary]

56. Hugs back atcha, ancianita!

I’m keeping the faith, DAMMIT.

But, gotta admit, it’s excruciating. Just damn painful to see and hear him being reminded about exit doors. WHERE are all the folks who are still with President Biden? It’s encouraging to see ‘em here but I know there are many more. MILLIONS more. And I want him to get four more years to extend AND cement in place all the good he’s done.

I GREATLY appreciate hearing from everybody here. It’s tremendously reassuring right when I needed it!

[ancianita]

60. Hugs not horrors! When you're overwhelmed, step away. Look at sky, water, birds, nature.

Play calming instrumental music in the background.

We're going to be okay.

What's Joe's superpower? Being underestimated!

Look at the numbers. WE have won the last three elections. In 2020? Biden-Harris got 81,282,916 votes! A US record!

THAT NUMBER IS THE HIDDEN FIGURE. JOE KNOWS IT.

[calimary]

63. Yep. That's "Joe's Superpower." Being underestimated.

Can’t let THAT one be forgotten!

[SomedayKindaLove]

93. Prediction

Trump doesn’t reach 74M votes in 2024.

[ancianita]

96. lol Yah I've been predicting that for the last two years. Seriously, it's a pretty safe prediction,

given the hundreds of YouTube videos, the never-trumper population, and the polls that say that anywhere from 10%-16% of Republicans say they won't vote for trump.

Sure, Republicans lie, but they can't afford to lose even 1% of their 74,223,369 votes per the AP final count by 2021.

Know why most folks here are so worried?
They believe the oligarch propaganda instead of remembering the numbers.

[appmanga]

53. I hope all those making these post are doing the same on the White House website...

...and the websites of their Democratic senators and representatives. That takes as much a making a post here.

[Warpy]

54. Biden's at his best when he's got somebody to fight

and I think he loves to fight the soft, pink ,men who think they own the country and all of us who live here.

I think he terrifies the PTB because he knows how government is supposed to work and what they've been up to in order to make sure it doesn't.

It aint over until it's over. He'll stay in the race just to spite the bastards.

[captain queeg]

57. Agreed with all of it.

My one and only hope for Joe is he gets to enjoy a well deserved retirement. I hope it’s in 4 1/2 years. That’s my selfish desire because he’s the best president in my lifetime. But if he were to drop out I hope he has those years he would have been watching over us all to enjoy his private life. And I hope to god if he were to bow out we still get a democrat as president.

[mcar]

58. I'm so angry about it I feel sick

Joe Biden has been the best president of my 65-year lifetime. He has accomplished amazing things with a divided Congress.

He's been a near life-long public servant.

And his own party is kicking him to the curb? For money?

I want to go into the woods and scream myself hoarse.

[DownriverDem]

61. Me too

Instead of fighting for Biden and against trump we are fighting each other. MAGAs must be laughing their a**es off.

[Deek1935]

62. Yup!

[Wounded Bear]

66. Indeed! nt

[duckworth969]

67. The Scranton Scrapper is in it to win it

Biden is a stubborn Irishman that’s not about to be pushed around by anyone.

[PortTack]

91. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[PatSeg]

69. You described exactly how I feel

It seems throughout most of his life, he rarely got the recognition and gratitude that he deserved.

Now he is told, "Great job Joe, don't let the door hit you on your way out". This is rotten on so many levels.

[JustinBulletin]

71. I am right there with you!

And we are being fed so much diametrically opposed information that we're not sure what or where the truth is. One minute he is described as sharp as a tack and the next he is being portrayed as enfeebled and mentally unsteady. Which is it? Is there no decent leadership in the party anymore? To me this smells of the wealthy corporate Democrats staging a coup. They don't care what happens to the non-millionaire class.

[Faux pas]

75. Ditto plus tax!

[CBHagman]

77. And people keep talking about how he'll be honored for falling on his sword.

Well, that's certainly a load of shit. We've watched the media conduct a two-week-plus humiliation of Biden. It's not like they will drop their attitude of superiority now.

I'm particularly disappointed in Democrats who want to have it both ways: Kick him off the ticket and insist that he is honorable. They underestimate how many people will treat this as an elitist effort to tell the Democrats' most faithful voters and volunteers to STFU and go away.

[choie]

78. Calimary, I am right there with you.

I am both furious and despondent. He doesn't deserve any of this. He's been one of the best presidents we've had - full of grace, empathy and intelligence. What's happening now is a horror.

[joanbarnes]

81. for what its worth.....

I sent a message to Whitehouse.gov offering my support and I hope he gets it.

[Scalded Nun]

83. Heartbreaking, and infuriating

This is the same shit the GOP and the media did to Howard Dean after 'the scream. They essentially railroaded him out if the race completely.

if you are going to back Joe, be sure and understand this is for the long haul. The GOP/media and wobbly dems will try to bury him, and they will not let up until election day, most assuredly longer since I believe he will win this election.

[Elessar Zappa]

84. Biden will be fine.

He’s seen a lot and is very tough. It’s our future I worry about, that is, if we get rid of him and lose, what then? Will the donors and democratic leaders apologize? Or will they all be in jail for opposing Trump?

[mzmolly]

90. I agree.

[LiberalArkie]

92. Yep, I would not blame him at all if he announced at the beginning of the convention "I have had it,

I am going home and retire".

You know he wants to just be a statesman like Jimmy Carter.

When I was working I had decided to just keep working until I dropped and let the company just plant me behind the admin building.

But when I turned 65, what I always enjoyed doing and lived for just turned into drudgery and it got harder to have the enthusiasm for the job. I wonder if he ever fills that way with crap coming from every direction.

[TasminCat]

95. it is because of those successes that the Billionaires want him OUT

[Aepps22]

97. No Loyalty

A man that has been through so much in his life was begged to save the country against an orange tyrant. He sacrificed for us and not only won but has become one of the most successful presidents of all time. What does he get in return? A swift kick in the gut not by Republicans but by our own party which is disgraceful. Even if Joe drops out he deserves better than what he got. With allies like our leadership who needs enemies?

[Lulu KC]

98. I'm moving into grief

It ain't over 'til it's over, but seeing his friends speaking to the press like this must hurt. Love you, Joe. If you're in, I'm in. To the end.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

99. I'm still ridin' with Biden!

[Dem4life1234]

101. He doesn't deserve this kind of treatment.

The orange thug should be the one receiving this kind of treatment.

This country is disgusting .

[GiqueCee]

102. I'm with you, calimary...

... and I HAVE been screaming. At least with a lot of capital letters.

There's no doubt in my mind that the Big-Money donors factor into this, BIG time.The Big wigs at the top of the food chain have offered NOTHING to justify their position, apart from their "Serious Concerns" that he can't win. So, lessee...

Biden beat Trump like a cheap drum once already. (CHECK)

Biden accomplished more TANGIBLE GOOD for the American people in a single term that any president in my memory (and I was only a year shy of voting age when you were born!) (CHECK)

Biden gave stupendous, kick-ass speeches when called upon. (CHECK)

Biden gave an honest apology and a verifiable explanation of why he did poorly in the "STYLE" category of the debate judges' scorecards in that asinine dog-and-pony show that his detractors point to as "proof" that he's (A) senile (B) Too old (C) Dead, and that's actually James Woods impersonating him. Yes, somebody who would lose a spelling contest to a potted plant actually SAID that! (CHECK)

Biden has performed like a champ ever since. (CHECK)

So fuck ALL his detractors straight to hell, and let's GET JOE ELECTED!

[calimary]

106. What You Said, GiqueCee!!!

What YOU Said!

[nowforever]

105. I think

Joe is pissed off right now that people have no faith in him and his judgement. I hope his anger inspires him to prove all the naysayers wrong and he whips Trump by a larger margin this time. Obama has always seemed like a weak supporter so not surprised at his wavering. Full steam ahead Joe...I love ya.

[soldierant]

111. Thank you for posting this.

It certainly needed to be said (and will probably need re-saying a few times.)

[LetMyPeopleVote]

114. This may not be a done deal

Link to tweet

[Tree Lady]

118. I just wrote to whitehouse.gov

And told them about our site, that I have been on it 20 years and we are all rooting for him. I told him we have people from every state all on his side.

[BigmanPigman]

124. I was thinking of sending him our latest DU poll

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19180095

[ecstatic]

120. It's effed up but Biden is a strong guy

This is nothing compared to the shit he's been through.

[Greybnk48]

125. Everything you just said x1000000000. n/t

[bullimiami]

126. Me too.

[NNadir]

127. I consider how much sweeter it will be when he's reelected. Channeling my hero Eleanor...

..."“You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself, 'I have lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along.' You must do the thing you think you cannot do.”

Joe Biden has experience doing the thing others think he cannot do.

[llmart]

128. I'm right there with you, Calimary.

What is wrong with our society these days? No one is ever satisfied no matter what you do for them. Everyone seems to have already forgotten what a horrible mess this place was in after the previous 4 years and all the deaths from Covid.

There is so little gratitude for what they have.

[Initech]

130. He didn't deserve any of this. Fuck Fox News.

[calimary]

131. What you said, Initech!

Totally and Absolutely What You Said!!!

[Evolve Dammit]

132. MSM has been so bias

[cabotnn22]

134. I agree. It seems cruel.

Honestly, let the election run its course. If, after the inauguration, Biden feels the need to step down then he can hand the reins over to Kamala Harris. I just hate to see him kicked when he's sick and not feeling very well. People are behaving like hyenas around him.

[crimycarny]

140. Same here--I hope COVID diagnosis gives him some rest

Joe Biden is the kind of man who will over extend himself out of not wanting to say no. He truly loves meeting with every day voters and hates to slow down as he feels he’s letting others down.

The COVID diagnosis may give him an excuse to rest for a couple of days. They say he is taking PAXLOVID and that stuff works fast. Everyone I know who had a COVID diagnosis and took PAX early on were symptom free 48-72 hours. IfJoe has an excuse to rest and take a few days off, I think it will the shot in the arm he needs.

[PennRalphie]

147. President Biden isn't going anywhere

All of this talk is just noise. We, the Democratic voters, already chose him to be our nominee for another term. I do not see leaders of our party telling us our votes don’t matter.

Hopefully, President Biden is resting and recuperating after the COVID diagnosis. Once recovered, he can tell America that he will continue the work he’s already accomplished.

If we didn’t want him for another four years, we would have chosen someone else in the primary. He is our guy.

[Biglinda 52]

150. What this is....

...is a class war within the Democratic Party... It's us versus the donor class. Schiff, Tester are being pressured by their rich donors to call for Joe to step down. Nancy Pelosi?? Come on, you're older than Joe. YOU step down. Trump planted this idea in the media (NYT). and now the Dems have taken the bait and running with it. Trump knows he can't beat Biden.

And I honestly believe if Joe felt he couln't do it, he would step down.

[JohnSJ]

151. I'm pissed, and suspect he is also

[Turbineguy]

152. No good deed goes unpunished.

[orleans]

153. i was on the phone talking to my daughter and esentially saying the same thing you just said

and it was actually about the same time you were writing this

i feel so bad for biden, i could cry

what a disgraceful thing that we're doing to this person

[bdamomma]

154. Remember

Joe is for the people and the Middle/Working claas, those who want him out are afraid we will get in again.

They hate when the people win. We did it in 2020 we can do it again. YES WE CAN!!!!!!!

[Qutzupalotl]

157. The most appalling thing to me

is that Joe is a man who lived through personal tragedies that would crush an ordinary person. He was mocked for his stutter as a young boy and counted out. He overcame that and won election to Congress. He lost most of his new family as a young congressman-elect. Then as VP, lost his oldest son to cancer. NO parent should outlive their child, ever!

He came out of tragedies stronger but with more empathy towards anyone who suffers. THAT is why he deserves to be where he is.

And after all that, to be stabbed in the back by his friends, stabbed in the FRONT by his colleagues, called decrepit or declining because he stuttered in a debate — I cannot tolerate that. I think that's why the base is solidifying around Joe. They don't like their votes discarded, but they HATE to see a good man thrown to the curb by the vey people who in the same breath admit HE IS DOING A GOOD JOB.

Then you pile on the utter stupidity of of a successful incumbent president stepping aside for a fairy-dust sparkle-fucking-unicorn ticket with ZERO DOLLARS raised for the general, which is in less than four months — and I have to think our “friends” are being blackmailed by their largest donors, because the only other explanation is that parasitic brain worms have affected their judgement and good sense. I think THEY should resign and let the adult in the room keep doing what he's doing. Or else put on your big boy pants and fight the fucking Republican fascists instead of the one person keeping them at bay — and the ONLY person EVER to defeat Trump.