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raccoon

(31,527 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 10:36 AM Jul 2024

I believe all this stories about some unnamed source saying Biden's about to drop out, etc.,

are part of an orchestrated campaign of ratfuckery meant to demoralize those who support Biden and other Democrats.

MAGAS, Fascists (or do I repeat myself?) are very cunning with ratfuckery.

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I believe all this stories about some unnamed source saying Biden's about to drop out, etc., (Original Post) raccoon Jul 2024 OP
Yup. Ratfuckery for sure. Deek1935 Jul 2024 #1
Ratfucking dates back to the Nixon years. Turbineguy Jul 2024 #2
I am Rebl2 Jul 2024 #3
I've always had respect for Pelosi and, most of the time, Schumer. But Adam Schiff was not my choice for BComplex Jul 2024 #18
Sure,Roger Stone is laughing himself to sleep every night Walleye Jul 2024 #4
Yeah, he can sleep alright... DAngelo136 Jul 2024 #14
Howard Dean called it MontanaMama Jul 2024 #5
DJT colluded with Russia. DJT is still colluding with Russia. suegeo Jul 2024 #6
Absolutely cilla4progress Jul 2024 #32
Yes yes yes! Easterncedar Jul 2024 #7
Exactly. bullimiami Jul 2024 #8
It Appears to be an AI Bot MrWowWow Jul 2024 #9
Is it possible the call is coming from inside the house? PikaBlue Jul 2024 #10
Back in the day DAngelo136 Jul 2024 #15
So the reporters whose names are on these anonymously sourced stories just made them all up? Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #11
I believe they made them up. raccoon Jul 2024 #24
With or without the complicity of their editors? Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #26
Do You Believe It Beyond Them DAngelo136 Jul 2024 #36
I refer you to my signature line: Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #39
Pardon me, but DAngelo136 Jul 2024 #40
ALL of them are lying, using made up sources, with the complicity of their editors? Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #41
Yes Zeitghost Jul 2024 #42
They want their stories to get clicks crud Jul 2024 #27
Except in some of the reports, the sources have come to them Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #33
As I have been warning... 2naSalit Jul 2024 #12
Yes, and sadly, it has been working. GoCubsGo Jul 2024 #13
I hope it only served to call attention to the issues and motivate voters more. joanbarnes Jul 2024 #16
Unnamed, yeah. But some of the stories are attributed... malthaussen Jul 2024 #17
And You Trust Them DAngelo136 Jul 2024 #37
Who said anything about trust? malthaussen Jul 2024 #38
Dems have "concerns". rubbersole Jul 2024 #19
Early voting starts in some states in 63 days. (September 20th) Celerity Jul 2024 #34
Yeah, it's a p-ile of dog shit Warpy Jul 2024 #20
You may be onto something, raccoon. calimary Jul 2024 #21
Made me donate to Biden twice in 3 days travelingthrulife Jul 2024 #22
Mostly unattributed, the others sold their spines for one thing or another. Magoo48 Jul 2024 #23
RATFUCKING is the prefect word TasminCat Jul 2024 #25
Biden, Biden, he's my guy! C OH Dem Jul 2024 #28
Ratfuckery is one thing. MOMFUDSKI Jul 2024 #29
I think nowforever Jul 2024 #30
KICK orangecrush Jul 2024 #31
Lets all make sure this bullshit backfires. n/t D23MIURG23 Jul 2024 #35

Rebl2

(15,113 posts)
3. I am
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 10:43 AM
Jul 2024

not demoralized. I am angry with those democrats telling him to not run. Why the hell, if they thought there was a problem, didn’t they say something last year or at least very early this year before all the primaries.
I have no respect for the likes of schiff, Schumer, or pelosi now.

BComplex

(9,181 posts)
18. I've always had respect for Pelosi and, most of the time, Schumer. But Adam Schiff was not my choice for
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 12:48 PM
Jul 2024

Senator from California. I know that Nancy put Adam Schiff as the favorite of the party for that race, since he has always sort of been her teacher's pet. But after this whole fiasco with the Biden campaign, I'm thinking we need to make some major changes to our party's "leadership".

We need leadership that supports the majority of voters, not just voters who follow blindly behind leadership hoping they'll toss us a bone. We need fighters in congress, who fight FOR the people, like Joe and Kamala have been doing.

DAngelo136

(318 posts)
14. Yeah, he can sleep alright...
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 12:31 PM
Jul 2024

For now. Once Joe wins, he can look forward to a future in the Graybar Hotel for an extended stay.

suegeo

(2,840 posts)
6. DJT colluded with Russia. DJT is still colluding with Russia.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 10:44 AM
Jul 2024

And other enemies of the USA.

Also don't forget about disgraced Mike Flynn.

Forced to resign from the admin. and from DIA. He's building an un-American ISIS.
Seen at Putin's dinner table. Jill Stein was there too.

Same shit. Different day.

cilla4progress

(26,002 posts)
32. Absolutely
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:48 PM
Jul 2024

Hate to go all tinfoil...but this has putin's bloody prints all over it.

I mean - this is what he has done in other countries including Ukraine, England ("Brexit&quot , and I'm sure others.

Meanwhile - if true - I'm reading he's suffering some setbacks in his bloody war. I hope this is true!

MrWowWow

(431 posts)
9. It Appears to be an AI Bot
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 10:54 AM
Jul 2024

Generates and posts these rumor stories. It is an orchestrated disinformation campaign nevertheless.

PikaBlue

(266 posts)
10. Is it possible the call is coming from inside the house?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 10:54 AM
Jul 2024

I've no doubt that Republicans are happy to sink the shiv into our soft parts; however, I am considering that this may be an orchestrated campaign from our own side. I fear this plan has been ready to roll out long before the first debate. Those behind wanting a new ticket, want it to be the candidates they choose which is why no one came forward to challenge President Biden in the primary election. They knew Biden would win. Suddenly we see Democratic strategists, donors, and some Dem leadership (plus rank and file representatives) calling for Biden to step down. Doesn't this feel like a charade? Doesn't this apparent lunacy make sense if this was the plan all along? Even the media outlets who were, occasionally, positive to Dems have joined in. They know who they want on a brand new ticket and are determined to bring it to fruition. Perhaps my own fear of the outcomes and anger at the way this is being handled are muddling my critical thinking.

DAngelo136

(318 posts)
15. Back in the day
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 12:36 PM
Jul 2024

Our grandfathers had to endure the disinformation of Tokyo Rose and Axis Sally (The British had "Lord Haw Haw" and you know how that ended, don't you? He got an appointment with Mr. Pierrepoint and an English rope). Now, it's our turn to deal with the nonsense.

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Fiendish Thingy

(18,999 posts)
11. So the reporters whose names are on these anonymously sourced stories just made them all up?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 10:56 AM
Jul 2024

The only other explanation that would fit your narrative is that the reporters were duped by someone pretending to be a democratic insider…

So which do you believe, and why?

Fiendish Thingy

(18,999 posts)
26. With or without the complicity of their editors?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:02 PM
Jul 2024

I want to get to the bottom of your alleged media conspiracy involving dozens of professional, experienced reporters.

Do you believe these reporters acted on their own, and duped their editors, or were the editors complicit in this conspiracy?

DAngelo136

(318 posts)
36. Do You Believe It Beyond Them
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:27 PM
Jul 2024

To make up "sources" or to cite from people who have no connection to anyone involved?
A source, ideally should lead to more concrete evidence/facts. As far as you or I know, they could have asked the janitor for his opinion for a
"source". And given the stakes involved, I would need more substantive information and more reliable sources. I won't just "take their word for it." Given their past mendacity and gullibility, I'm highly skeptical of their veracity.

DAngelo136

(318 posts)
40. Pardon me, but
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:00 AM
Jul 2024

"Without facts, you can't have truth. Without truth, you can't have trust. Without trust, we have no shared reality, no democracy, and it becomes impossible to deal with our world's existential problems: climate, coronavirus, the battle for truth- Maria Ressa"

I fail to see how this answers my question. I'll ask bluntly: Do you put it past them to lie to you? I'll answer that bluntly: NO, I don't. To quote the late Gil Scott-Heron: "If they really knew the truth, why would they tell you?"
Do you agree?

Fiendish Thingy

(18,999 posts)
41. ALL of them are lying, using made up sources, with the complicity of their editors?
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:23 AM
Jul 2024

No, I don’t believe that is the case.

That is flat earth, fake moon landing territory, and I am a member of the reality based community.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
42. Yes
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 03:59 PM
Jul 2024

Any one individual might occasionally slip up or even bend the truth. Dozens of professional journalists with reputations and careers to uphold is a different story.

crud

(857 posts)
27. They want their stories to get clicks
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:14 PM
Jul 2024

so I think they get someone to answer a hypothetical and then report their comments without context. They will ask..If Biden drops out...or if the polls say this...or what would you say about this person as candidate? and then cherry pick the responses.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,999 posts)
33. Except in some of the reports, the sources have come to them
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 02:15 PM
Jul 2024

And the statements reported weren’t in response to hypothetical questions, but were positions volunteered by the source.

GoCubsGo

(33,254 posts)
13. Yes, and sadly, it has been working.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 11:23 AM
Jul 2024

But, thank goodness Trump did what he always does last night: Make things worse for Trump. Hopefully, this is enough to get quitter Dems to come come to their senses now

malthaussen

(17,810 posts)
17. Unnamed, yeah. But some of the stories are attributed...
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 12:38 PM
Jul 2024

... so there's more going on than that.

-- Mal

malthaussen

(17,810 posts)
38. Who said anything about trust?
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:35 PM
Jul 2024

Attribution can at least be verified. "Unnamed sources" or "sources close to x" could be the guy who brings the coffee, as DJT would say.

-- Mal

rubbersole

(8,794 posts)
19. Dems have "concerns".
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 12:50 PM
Jul 2024

Repubs have the biggest clusterfuck in the modern political era. The blue tsunami is more apparent than ever. Three more months to go. I'm extremely optimistic. Especially after the RNC display.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
20. Yeah, it's a p-ile of dog shit
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 12:54 PM
Jul 2024

and I knew hat when it was announced.

"Unnamed sources withing the party," my flabby old ass. Unless he has a massve health crisis, Biden is going nowhere.

Magoo48

(5,618 posts)
23. Mostly unattributed, the others sold their spines for one thing or another.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 12:57 PM
Jul 2024

We know the ratfuckers are out there; don’t post their shit unless you can button down who said it. Remember, if the poster didn’t hear it said, it’s hearsay. If you can’t refer me where I can verify something wtf?

C OH Dem

(37 posts)
28. Biden, Biden, he's my guy!
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:15 PM
Jul 2024

If you don't like it, kiss my eye!
Feel free to substitute another body part as I did in my mind.

nowforever

(414 posts)
30. I think
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:23 PM
Jul 2024

Clearly big money will do anything to keep the greed train running full speed. Threatening to withhold money or promising to donate money is one of their tools. How many billionaires are excited about having more of their money going to the common good, I'll give you that number ZERO.

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