I see not one iota of of confirmation that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif had any kind of issue other than being

[brewens]

screwed by phony test allegations by the Russian head of the IBA after she beat a Russian boxer.

Nothing about any DSD issue either. I've only ever seen "reportedly" on that. Pure speculation after it was confirmed she was not trans. Like these religious apologists like to do. Their bullshit blows up on them and they have to find some way to make it work.

Before I go full-on medieval on some MAGAts over this, I want to know if anyone has any confirmation of a DSD issue.

[madaboutharry]

1. Not all girls look like Cinderella.

All that hate towards her is really disgusting.

[maxsolomon]

2. What is a "DSD Issue"?

[brewens]

4. Differences in sex development that could cause a woman to have naturally higher testosterone. n/t

[maxsolomon]

11. Ah. OK.

The Russian IBA head said that she has XY Chromosones, but you're correct, it is not confirmed.

IF the boxer has Swyer Syndrome, or 64XY Dysgenesis, then she'd have a built-in testosterone advantage. But it's still an if.

I've read that the IOC has rules regarding maximum testosterone levels established for some sports, like running (I read 2 years below a set level), but not for Boxing. When Kremlev banned her, the IBA later said as much:

Does Imane Khelif have XY chromosomes?
IBA Russian president, Umar Kremlev, claimed that DNA test results showed the two athletes have XY chromosomes, citing it as the reason they were disqualified in the world championships. The IBA also cited high levels of testosterone in Khelif's system.

However, the test results were never published and Khelif has never disclosed her biological markers, calling the decision a "big conspiracy." The disqualification came after Khelif defeated Russian boxer Azalia Amineva in the 2023 tournament. IBA said it stripped Lin of a bronze medal because it claimed she failed to meet unspecified eligibility requirements in a biochemical test.

The IOC has long criticized the IBA and its governance of the sport and eventually banned the Russian-run organization in 2019. In a statement Friday, the IOC said it stands by the athletes and their eligibility to compete, noting that the boxing association's own documents say the decision was made unilaterally by the IBA's secretary general.

Those documents also say the IBA went on to resolve at a meeting that it should “establish a clear procedure on gender testing” after it had already disqualified the two fighters.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/paris-2024-summer-olympics/olympics-boxing-imane-khalif-xy-chromosome-italian-boxer-quit/5662035/

If there are no clear set limits on testosterone in females for Olympic boxing, then tough shit. She's a woman. Deal.

[LostOne4Ever]

20. Swyer's does not have a Testosterone advantage

People with Swyer’s have streak gonads not testes. Without testes they would not have a testosterone advantage.

[maxsolomon]

29. I thought I'd read that.

But OK, I'm no scientist.

[Fla Dem]

6. I didn't know what DSD was either. So I looked it up.

Disorders of sex development (DSDs), also known as differences in sex development or variations in sex characteristics (VSC), are congenital conditions affecting the reproductive system, in which development of chromosomal, gonadal, or anatomical sex is atypical. DSDs are subdivided into groups in which the … See more

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development

[brewens]

13. I haven't seen any comment either was about that from anyone reliable. What the IOC and Algerians have said

indicate no known issue of any kind.

I'd like to hear what our Olympic boxing coaches have to say. They may net have even looked closely at Khelif if one our boxers was nowhere near facing her. If our boxer was in line, they almost certainly did. I haven't seen where anyone was ranking her as some kind of female Marvin Hagler.

[Fla Dem]

3. It's disgusting how she has been treated based on a questionable blood test 2 years ago.

Bullying to the enth degree.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

5. "Questionable" is generous.

That it came right after she beat a Russian boxed ending her winning streak makes it laughable.

Plus their statement this week of "it's a really good test. Trust us. We aren't going to tell you what test nor share the results, but it's solid."

[brewens]

8. Precisely. It must have been the same preliminary tests everyone took, and they pull that after the win.

They admit that their tournament can go on with test results still up in the air? Then we sort things out later? That'd be a like a company hiring people and then drug testing them. Every time someone fails you have to pull them out of training or off the job and escort them out! LOL

[Hekate]

17. They sound positively Republican, don't they? "Trust us. And oh by the way, if our team loses...

… it means your team cheated.”

[uponit7771]

23. EXACTLY !!! Chinese swimmers had questionable blood test 2 months ago !!! The OC allowed them to clear themselves

[LisaL]

7. I don't think there is a clear confirmation of anything.

"IBA Russian president, Umar Kremlev, claimed that DNA test results showed the two athletes have XY chromosomes, citing it as the reason they were disqualified in the world championships. The IBA also cited high levels of testosterone in Khelif's system.

The IOC has long criticized the IBA and its governance of the sport and eventually banned the Russian-run organization in 2019. In a statement Friday, the IOC said it stands by the athletes and their eligibility to compete, noting that the boxing association's own documents say the decision was made unilaterally by the IBA's secretary general."

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/paris-2024-summer-olympics/olympics-boxing-imane-khalif-xy-chromosome-italian-boxer-quit/5662035/

[Ms. Toad]

10. The formal statement from the IBA is far les explicit.

It only claims that an unnamed test (other than testosterone levels) proved they had "competitive advantages over other female competitors." It did not make any claims about specifically what the test was or how it proved such competitive advantages, or even what that phrase means.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

22. That they won't release the test results, nor tell exactly what the test is

means it's bullshit.

[hlthe2b]

9. Honestly I think IOC could have both anticipated and headed this whole controversy off with a well-worded

statement (PRIOR to the first bout) on their policies for inclusion, why other boxing groups with differing policies are not considered by IOC, and frankly, why that specific boxing officiating group was not acknowledged in any way by IOC. No naming of athletes, no specifics, no innuendo--just some clarification that could have anticipated some confusion and controversy. Then allow that press release commentary speak for them and leave it there.


I don't like violent sports so boxing is not my thing... but I am sorry that these athletes were left vulnerable to this public controversy and very uninformed outrage.

If there is to be any change in inclusion policies going forward-- for any reason, for men's or women's categories or newly developed categories and sporting events-- they need to be clarified and publicized well in advance of future Olympics or other competitive events. The athletes deserve better. All of them.

[GenThePerservering]

12. Difference, not "disorder"

I have a higher testosterone and I assure you, I'm female even if I've sometimes been mistaken for a boy. The differences are often very small and there's a variance over a spectrum. It's basically being used as an ugly excuse, absolutely.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

24. A very ugly excuse. And we don't disqualify other athletes with differences that are advantages.

Phelps makes about half or less of the lactic acid and that gives him a huge advantage. Plus his extremely long arms.
Most every sprinter has crazy fast twitch muscles that separate them from "normies."

It's gross that now we care when it is a woman of color that can be used for transphobia.

[Disaffected]

14. Why doesn't she simply have a reliable chromosome test performed

and end the controversy?

[brewens]

15. It's not on her to do anything other than put a middle finger in their faces if she so chooses. She has a medal to win.

She doesn't look any more formidable than hundreds of other women athletes I'm seeing. She doesn't have what some think is a pretty enough face, I guess.

[Disaffected]

16. So, go with the finger or

remove the cloud of suspicion (which I suspect will persist throughout her career)? Yes, her choice but not mine.

I would do the test and then put the "finger in their faces".

And BTW, her looks has nothing to do with it.

[brewens]

18. The pretty face comment wasn't directed at you but it does have a lot to do with it. Now a common response is,

"I know what I see", meaning she looks like a man to them and that settles it. That is fairly new, but you'll see it any second now.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

25. Sounds like cops that say if you didn't have anything to hide, you'd let me search.

Fuck off and get a warrant. She doesn't need to prove shit. Especially when the Russian "test" is obviously just bullshit.

[Voltaire2]

19. Because that doesn't determine sex.

In addition to there being more than two x,y variations, the significant gene in the Y chromosome doesn’t always show up, and can be missing or over on the X chromosome, and there are other factors as well.

She qualified as per the IOC rules and that is all that matters.

[LisaL]

26. IOC simply goes by what passport says.

"In boxing the IOC said competitors were eligible for the women's division if their passports said they were female."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/cnk4427vvd2o

[LostOne4Ever]

21. Who you want to do that if you were in her shoes

She is from Algeria a very anti-LGBT country. If it did turn out she is intersex do you think she would want everyone in her country to know?

It could put her life in danger.

Regardless, even if she did have an intersex condition, that does not mean she has an advantage. CAIS and Swyer’s would both put her at a competitive disadvantage to perisex women if anything.

[LostOne4Ever]

27. No evidence of her being intersex either

Beyond the very sketchy claim by the Russian International Boxing Association which I don’t trust.

It is obviously a lie crafted by the IBA to protect a Russian Athlete from losing which the right has latched onto to attack Trans women.

Simply put Russia and the right don’t care about the truth and they are more than willing to attack intersex people as well as trans in their hate and bigotry and in the name of their culture war.

This is exactly why the Intersex community is a part of the LGBTQIA+ community and why everyone cis, trans, intersex, perisex, whatever need to unite to fight these assholes TOGETHER!

[Linda ladeewolf]

28. Her father says she's a girl

He says and this is from Wiki that she played sports since she was six including football, likely he meant soccer, because he didn’t think a girl should box. Apparently he decided to let her. Not all girls are Barbie inclined.

[marshall]

30. French media is reporting she has 5-alpha reductase deficiency

https://lecorrespondant.net/imane-khelif-ni-ovaires-ni-uterus-mais-des-testicules/