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live love laugh

(14,017 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 10:55 PM Monday

Project 2025: It may also about the 25th Amendment

I ran across this TikTok video and what she says seems very plausible. The link is below but I’ve transcribed it. What do you think?



“ … there’s a reason Project 2025 evangelicals who run the Republican Party are aggressively fighting to get Donald Trump into the White House... All the evangelical dark money getting Democrats removed from voter rolls in specific states is because there's really important Senate races Republicans need to win to get the majority in the Senate.

They're riding Trump into the White House even though he's clearly in mental decline … it's apparent that he has lost control: he can't control himself or his mouth …and is unstable and unhinged. It's because they already have chosen JD Vance. JD Vance was hand picked by Peter Thiel* who's part of the Heritage Foundation--project 2025 authors. JD Vance’s ... is the actual horse Project 2025 is trying to get into the White House and it has to be through Donald Trump.

The theory is if they're able to get a Trump win and control the majority of the Senate, Vance can invoke the 25th Amendment** that essentially allows the Vice President – along with the Trump’s cabinet members who are all authors of the Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 (just as they were in his 2016 cabinet) to vote together to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Donald Trump leaving JD Vance in charge.

The Project 2025 cabinet members would be put in charge of the different government departments and with a majority Supreme Court they would take full control of our government to make Project 2025 happen in the year 2025.

When you look at how the Republican Party is fighting and what's happening it just seems crazy. You see that Donald Trump doesn't even communicate with JD Vance at all. It makes sense when you look at all this through that lens of that strategy ... it is very plausible what they are planning to do.


https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8evkmXC/https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8evkmXC/


* - Peter Thiel is worth $8 or $9 billion. He is a tech investor and one of Facebook's earliest investors. He mentored Vance and introduced him to Trump in 2021. Thiel financed Vance's Senate run in 2022 giving him a donation of $15 million--the largest donation ever to a single candidate in history. Thiel was born in Germany in 1967. His family immigrated to Cleveland OH, and his father was a chemical engineer. Thiel has worked as a securities lawyer, speechwriter former Secretary of Education to William Bennett. He called Warren Buffett a "sociopathic grandpa from Omaha".


** - The 25th Amendment, proposed by Congress and ratified by the states in the aftermath of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, provides the procedures for replacing the president or vice president in the event of death, removal, resignation, or incapacitation.

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Project 2025: It may also about the 25th Amendment (Original Post) live love laugh Monday OP
You wonder if Done Inkey Monday #1
I'm willing to bet he's in on it. He'll be paid handsomely and he's lazy. live love laugh Monday #2
He would never be "in on it". It's a nonsensical idea. And a "majority" in the Senate won't do it. onenote Tuesday #20
Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know that Congress live love laugh Tuesday #23
I posted a brief comment saying this exactly Picaro Monday #3
They might actually want Mike Johnson rather than J.D. Vance. valleyrogue Monday #9
We should all watch this. Clouds Passing Tuesday #28
Wow, your post scared the living daylights out of me, as did the OP. nt Frank D. Lincoln Tuesday #15
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Absolutely, Chin! SheltieLover Monday #5
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... SheltieLover Monday #8
That's an extremely wise statement. nt Frank D. Lincoln Tuesday #16
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The theocrats really want to destroy this country. valleyrogue Monday #7
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It is a completely twisted reading of the Bible. valleyrogue Monday #11
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They, like Rushdoony, also call for the return of slavery. THIS is what we are up against. n/t valleyrogue Monday #13
I think its nonsense. See post #20. onenote Monday #14
I agree with the OP. Frank D. Lincoln Tuesday #17
This also explains why Frank D. Lincoln Tuesday #18
And Vance being as dumb as a brick will do what he's told. StarryNite Tuesday #25
Yep. Frank D. Lincoln Tuesday #33
Reality is weird enough, we don't need bad fan fiction too. tritsofme Tuesday #21
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But its not true. For one thing, it takes more than a Senate majority to remove a president under the 25th amendment. onenote Tuesday #24
Because it is literal fantasyland nonsense. You might find it fun, I guess. I mean lots of people enjoy fiction. tritsofme Tuesday #29
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Enjoy whatever weird made-up stories you like! Have fun with it, make up even more crazy nonsense and share it here! tritsofme Tuesday #31
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Not sure what to tell you, I still find your posts extremely perplexing. tritsofme Tuesday #35
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If made up nonsense like that entertains you, then happy days! Enjoy! I really don't know what else to tell you? tritsofme Tuesday #37
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Well of course it's why he is there. It's been the plan for 2 years. flying_wahini Tuesday #26
They will keep Dump as President, but they just won't let him have any power. Clouds Passing Tuesday #27

onenote

(43,922 posts)
20. He would never be "in on it". It's a nonsensical idea. And a "majority" in the Senate won't do it.
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 08:30 AM
Tuesday

After all this time one would imagine most DUers have a firm understanding of Trump's mind -- he's a total narcissist. The idea he would allow himself to be removed from office based on his being "unable to discharge the powers and duties of the office" is ridiculous. And under the 25th amendment, he can force the issue to Congress where it would require a 2/3 vote of both houses -- not a majority of the Senate" -- to remove him. That would never happen for any number of reasons -- his loyalists, plus many members who would not want to set a precedent of using the 25th amendment for someone who has not been shown to be actually incapable of discharging the duties and powers of the office. In short, this random TikTokker is talking out of their ass.

So if you're still willing to bet on it, and let's hope he doesn't get elected so it doesn't matter, I'm down for $100.

live love laugh

(14,017 posts)
23. Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know that Congress
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 10:09 AM
Tuesday

was involved. Your explanation is comforting.

I actually don’t gamble at all but if I did I wouldn’t bet against you.

Picaro

(1,679 posts)
3. I posted a brief comment saying this exactly
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:08 PM
Monday

Trump is clearly done. If they can win the election they'll exercise the 25th amendment and we'll have a smart sociopath who is utterly undemocratic and completely amoral serving as what? Dictator-for-life?

Just underscores that we cannot afford to lose.

valleyrogue

(720 posts)
9. They might actually want Mike Johnson rather than J.D. Vance.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:33 PM
Monday

As Frank Schaeffer pointed out some months ago, Mike Johnson is a "Christian Reconstructionist" who believes in Rousas J. Rushdoony's whacko ideas hook, line, and sinker. Schaeffer's dad, Francis Schaeffer, believed Rushdoony to have been "clinically insane." This is something coming from somebody who was a big influence on the religious right in the 1970s until his death in 1984.

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valleyrogue

(720 posts)
7. The theocrats really want to destroy this country.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:29 PM
Monday

Make no mistake. These "Reconstructionists" like Mike Johnson are bent on mass genocide of anybody who doesn't toe the line on their completely insane interpretation of the Bible. NOBODY is safe from these tyrants. They take to heart the musings of the crackpot Rousas J. Rushdoony, who died in around 2003, but his insane ideas about "theonomy" have heavily influenced the religious far right.

Trump is their tool. If he gets elected, which we better hope he doesn't, the Christofascists WILL remove him. Katy bar the door if that happens.

My feeling is the country will split up before it will ever adhere to these nutjobs' demands for a "Christian" society.

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valleyrogue

(720 posts)
11. It is a completely twisted reading of the Bible.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:39 PM
Monday

Real theologians don't buy into it at all. Basically "theonomy" and "theocracy" are one and the same, with almost identical ideas from Islamic Sharia Law. They want the death penalty for everything: adultery, homosexuality, "premarital" sex, prostitution, even disobedience to parents. Virtually NOBODY would be left after these whackos got done with their mass genocide program, which would be on a scale that would make Hitler blush.

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Frank D. Lincoln

(382 posts)
18. This also explains why
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 04:19 AM
Tuesday

Donald Trump chose as his running mate someone who once referred to him as America's Hitler.

Meaning, Trump didn't choose JD Vance, Peter Thiel did. Trump did as he was told.

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onenote

(43,922 posts)
24. But its not true. For one thing, it takes more than a Senate majority to remove a president under the 25th amendment.
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 10:15 AM
Tuesday

So talk about it if you want, but do so with actual facts in hand.

See post #20

tritsofme

(18,035 posts)
29. Because it is literal fantasyland nonsense. You might find it fun, I guess. I mean lots of people enjoy fiction.
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 11:17 AM
Tuesday

But that whole word salad has no real meaning.

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tritsofme

(18,035 posts)
31. Enjoy whatever weird made-up stories you like! Have fun with it, make up even more crazy nonsense and share it here!
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 11:25 AM
Tuesday

That’s the fun of fiction!

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tritsofme

(18,035 posts)
35. Not sure what to tell you, I still find your posts extremely perplexing.
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 05:33 PM
Tuesday

Why are you giving any credence to some random dude ranting nonsense on tiktok?

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tritsofme

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37. If made up nonsense like that entertains you, then happy days! Enjoy! I really don't know what else to tell you?
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 05:47 PM
Tuesday

onenote does the yeoman’s work showing all the silliness and factual errors in post #20.

What a bizarre exchange.

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