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deminks

(11,202 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 12:41 PM Yesterday

Melania defends her nude modeling as "fine art"




Picture of Melania's fine art jacket she wore as flotus to the border during family separation controversy that said on back, "I don't care, do u?"

Former flotus dropped a video today defending her nude photo work.

She's trying to sell book.
She won't let Looney Loomer replace her.
Real problem is photo shoot done in NYC possibly before HB-1 visa was in effect.

OK for Melania to have posed nude, but not ok for another former flotus to have worn a sleeveless outfit? Will Maga Mike have to report to his son if he reads Melania's book?
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Melania defends her nude modeling as "fine art" (Original Post) deminks Yesterday OP
A reminder Johnny2X2X Yesterday #1
Ty for the photo free descrip. Nt BootinUp Yesterday #39
Don't forget the simulated toilet paper shot! Linda ladeewolf 23 hrs ago #54
I don't remember that one Johnny2X2X 23 hrs ago #56
It was full front Linda ladeewolf 23 hrs ago #57
Cons think it's photo shop Johnny2X2X 23 hrs ago #60
"to make the shadows seem as if she was urinating" Dave Bowman 23 hrs ago #67
Gross!!! Mad_Dem_X 21 hrs ago #70
Her soft core porn photos were to lure a wealthy, past his prime, sugar daddy. Freethinker65 Yesterday #2
I'm sure she saw his diet birdographer Yesterday #9
That's the funniest Traildogbob Yesterday #18
What makes you think mercuryblues Yesterday #35
😂😂😂😂🤣 Traildogbob Yesterday #36
For rent to incels, proud boys, patriot fronts, turning-point assholes, etc. erronis Yesterday #46
Yeah. He didn't fulfill his part of the bargain. He's still here. 3Hotdogs 23 hrs ago #53
Exactly! Exactly! Exactly! usaf-vet Yesterday #31
Hooker ......... Hookerhooker .....that be her ........ Trueblue1968 13 hrs ago #87
Whatever Malaria... Coventina Yesterday #3
Exactly. Personally B.See 15 hrs ago #81
She even posted the pornographic David that was cancelled in Florida schools. Baitball Blogger Yesterday #4
Good catch, Baitball Blogger MLAA Yesterday #7
The more Melania stays out of the public eye, the better. ProudMNDemocrat Yesterday #5
Gotta say I read that as "pubic eye". Agree to both! erronis Yesterday #48
Smoke and mirrors.. BattleRow 23 hrs ago #58
Just more of that republican family values double standards. republianmushroom Yesterday #6
Certainly gets one noticed on the career ladder! Kid Berwyn Yesterday #8
Aw, Mel's using her cultured voice at us. Go away, Mel. You lost me at "I don't care. Do you? " Hekate Yesterday #10
Wasn't there a nude photo of Melania with another woman? Not that there's anything wrong with Vinca Yesterday #11
Back in 2015-16, saw a trio of photos supposedly from a European allegorical oracle Yesterday #27
I guess fapping material is in the eye of the beholder. 50 Shades Of Blue Yesterday #12
It was softcore porn. The Third Doctor Yesterday #13
They really don't care Quanto Magnus Yesterday #47
This continues to baffle me. 3catwoman3 23 hrs ago #64
Soft porn may be art, but it wasn't "fine art" by a long, long, long shot. RockRaven Yesterday #14
Trash. (In my subjective opinion.) Oopsie Daisy Yesterday #15
It was advertising for a wealthy husband Fullduplexxx Yesterday #16
To be fair, her husband tries to pass his ignorance off as genius. Solly Mack Yesterday #17
It is what it is Johonny Yesterday #19
omg DU DeepWinter Yesterday #20
Funny how we revere the female form... RussBLib Yesterday #24
And it's all FINE ARTZ!!!! dpibel 22 hrs ago #68
No. Aristus Yesterday #21
And Stormy Daniels does art films. Sneederbunk Yesterday #22
Well, at least she wasn't with another man! Abolishinist Yesterday #23
Which one is Melania? ShazzieB 23 hrs ago #59
Definitely. Compare her now with some of her early modeling pics. LOTS niyad 19 hrs ago #73
She's the one on the right. Abolishinist 19 hrs ago #78
Fine art with a happy ending at a great price dalton99a Yesterday #25
But, but, but get the red out Yesterday #26
the media is very much NOT obsessed with this PedroXimenez Yesterday #28
ok - so I'm going to be the contrarian here. CincyDem Yesterday #29
It was porn. I'm an artist who has used live models for figure drawing. brush Yesterday #33
I agree...and I still don't think it's ours to just that element of her life. There's so much other chit to choose from. CincyDem Yesterday #34
None of us made her feel she needed to "defend" her choice to be a nude niyad 19 hrs ago #74
Im an artist as well and disagree FreeState Yesterday #49
It's vey clear what audience porn photos are for. Highly doubtful that any... brush 16 hrs ago #79
Nope FreeState 15 hrs ago #84
Keep telling yourself that. Porn/erotica is porn/erotica, I don't care where it was published. brush 14 hrs ago #85
Moi aussi! Mossfern 20 hrs ago #72
I think you forgot the hypocrisy of it all. ... aggiesal Yesterday #45
Im not arguing if its porn or fine art. CincyDem 23 hrs ago #63
do you not see it is the HYPOCRISY that is the issue? Skittles 15 hrs ago #83
No, dear. That was porn. I'm an artist and have had live sessions with mode.s for figure drawing. brush Yesterday #30
Even if it were "art", she's not the artist! Lots of art has subjects like landscapes, animals, vegetation... lindysalsagal Yesterday #32
Be Best, whatever IronLionZion Yesterday #37
Call it art if you like but we will judge if it is fine or not. Check me not. twodogsbarking Yesterday #38
OK, I gave that a generous 15 seconds of my time NBachers Yesterday #40
robert mapplethorpe comes to mind et tu Yesterday #41
Blow it out your colon, consort Aviation Pro Yesterday #42
There's one of her fully pregnant kskiska Yesterday #43
I only see this as a promotion to sell her book SleeplessinSoCal Yesterday #44
Or maybe "Never Was..." 3catwoman3 23 hrs ago #62
Imagine Barron in another decade. SleeplessinSoCal 21 hrs ago #71
Taking your clothes off requires real talent. twodogsbarking Yesterday #50
Trump dropped the ball with her. He should have made Mailordia his Human Sex Trafficking Czar. Who knows brewens 23 hrs ago #51
OMG claudette 23 hrs ago #52
One question... BattleRow 23 hrs ago #55
Everything there was to say about naked women under 20 has already been said Warpy 23 hrs ago #61
I don't have an issue with her modeling other than the hypocrisy Renew Deal 23 hrs ago #65
Fine art my ass. 3catwoman3 23 hrs ago #66
"I really don't care, do u?' ShazzieB 21 hrs ago #69
It's art when conservatives do it, porn when anyone else does. Torchlight 19 hrs ago #75
Huh?? ailsagirl 19 hrs ago #76
Nude Art, yes. Fine Art? pwb 19 hrs ago #77
Wonder what Barron thinks about his mom posing nude? vapor2 15 hrs ago #80
"Fine art"? LudwigPastorius 15 hrs ago #82
Where did she call it "fine art" though? rictofen 14 hrs ago #86
If it's fine art why do Facebook and Twitter ban posts of it? live love laugh 13 hrs ago #88
She is prostitute John Shaft 9 hrs ago #89

Johnny2X2X

(21,071 posts)
1. A reminder
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 12:45 PM
Yesterday

One nude shoot was lesbian simulated sex. And another, the most famous set of pics were shot to make the shadows seem as if she was urinating while fully nude. Won't post them, but the one set it's clear they were going for full frontal urination complete with her fondling her privates with her fingers.

High art my ass, it was soft core porn with a gross twist.

Johnny2X2X

(21,071 posts)
56. I don't remember that one
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:31 PM
23 hrs ago

Yeah, they were raunchy photos. I don't begrudge anyone for what they do to make money, but don't pretend these were tasteful.

Linda ladeewolf

(238 posts)
57. It was full front
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:35 PM
23 hrs ago

With her hand holding a narrow strip of what looked like sparkly toilet paper to her privates. (I’m being nice!)

Johnny2X2X

(21,071 posts)
60. Cons think it's photo shop
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:38 PM
23 hrs ago

These are all phots that have been verified and have been public for years. If you show them to a MAGA, they will claim they are fake.

She was here illegally, working illegally, as a softcore porn star and escort. That's how she met Trump, Jeff Epstein introduced them.

Dave Bowman

(3,095 posts)
67. "to make the shadows seem as if she was urinating"
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 04:08 PM
23 hrs ago

And the moment Lardo Loco saw this he fell in love.

Freethinker65

(10,780 posts)
2. Her soft core porn photos were to lure a wealthy, past his prime, sugar daddy.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 12:48 PM
Yesterday

The honey trap worked brilliantly, except she got stuck with a bloated gluttonous media obsessed braggart. Not only was she required to service him in private, but she had to service him in public in front of an entire Nation, many endlessly making fun of her. At least she got citizenship for her parents and kidney surgery out of it.

birdographer

(2,184 posts)
9. I'm sure she saw his diet
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:05 PM
Yesterday

and exercise regimen and assumed he would be dead LONG ago, and she would have $$$. And now, 8+ years later, HE'S STILL HERE.

Traildogbob

(9,621 posts)
18. That's the funniest
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:17 PM
Yesterday

Reason to not be pissed about her ridiculous fame. Her long game did not work out. Now she is the sucker and loser that while pregnant and after he snuggly fucked other women, now he is throwing the Loon in her face, and not a thing she can do.
By the time he dies, she will be a washed up old lady, that was shut out of his will.
But tons of Bubba MAGA’s will be willing to do her.
Maybe Murdock will be divorced by then.
Being Best!

3Hotdogs

(13,128 posts)
53. Yeah. He didn't fulfill his part of the bargain. He's still here.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:25 PM
23 hrs ago

Well, maybe his head ain't all here....

usaf-vet

(6,646 posts)
31. Exactly! Exactly! Exactly!
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 02:00 PM
Yesterday

Is Baron in agreement with Mom's artist photos? I'll bet his male peers see it in a different light.

Coventina

(27,620 posts)
3. Whatever Malaria...
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 12:49 PM
Yesterday


I don't judge people doing nudies or porn. But at least have the self-respect to own it.

Like Madonna who famously said: So what?

B.See

(2,827 posts)
81. Exactly. Personally
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 11:41 PM
15 hrs ago

couldn't give a flying fk what Melania has done. Far more concerned with what the sick fk PSYCHOPATH l)has done, said, and WILL DO.

Baitball Blogger

(47,486 posts)
4. She even posted the pornographic David that was cancelled in Florida schools.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 12:51 PM
Yesterday

So not suitable for Florida Republicans.

MLAA

(18,180 posts)
7. Good catch, Baitball Blogger
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 12:57 PM
Yesterday

“Former First Lady, you’re no David”

Cite: "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy" was a remark made during the 1988 United States vice presidential debate by Democratic nominee Senator Lloyd Bentsen to Republican nominee Senator Dan Quayle in response to Quayle's comparison of his experience in Congress to that of John F.

ProudMNDemocrat

(18,440 posts)
5. The more Melania stays out of the public eye, the better.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 12:52 PM
Yesterday

BE BEST and stay away Melania! Have some dignity for once.

republianmushroom

(16,473 posts)
6. Just more of that republican family values double standards.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 12:55 PM
Yesterday

Some videos are full action and not posing.
With her book make red states school libraries ?

Kid Berwyn

(17,141 posts)
8. Certainly gets one noticed on the career ladder!
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:04 PM
Yesterday


"Are you certain ziss iss vay zey dancing at Supermodel Academy, Done-old?"

Vinca

(50,746 posts)
11. Wasn't there a nude photo of Melania with another woman? Not that there's anything wrong with
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:06 PM
Yesterday

that unless you pander to a bunch of homophobic faux Christians.

allegorical oracle

(2,821 posts)
27. Back in 2015-16, saw a trio of photos supposedly from a European
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:53 PM
Yesterday

"Gentlemen's Magazine." It featured what appeared to be two audition nude photos, one full-front and one profile. She looked stiff, uncomfortable, haggard and shiny-slick with oil. The other photo was her in bed embracing another woman.

As an oil painter, I have no problem with nudes of any sort. IMO, her photos were far from art -- nothing sensual or beautiful -- just exploitive. But she may have needed the money at that time.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,657 posts)
12. I guess fapping material is in the eye of the beholder.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:07 PM
Yesterday

But it's still hilarious that Melania has such a high opinion of herself that she's comparing her suggestive nude poses, including with another woman - and with herself, too! - with acclaimed works of classical art.

3catwoman3

(25,022 posts)
64. This continues to baffle me.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:58 PM
23 hrs ago

Why these sleazy pictures were not disqualifying for evangelicals is completely mystifying.

RockRaven

(15,909 posts)
14. Soft porn may be art, but it wasn't "fine art" by a long, long, long shot.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:12 PM
Yesterday

Just own it, cut the bullshit.

DeepWinter

(215 posts)
20. omg DU
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:22 PM
Yesterday

The nude female form has been honored and depicted in art since humans could sculpt and draw.

Getting a big LULZ out of DU today.

dpibel

(3,104 posts)
68. And it's all FINE ARTZ!!!!
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 04:43 PM
22 hrs ago

I mean, dude. Any depiction of anything is automatically fine art, right?

The point is not that Melania did nekkid pics. It's that trying to say her pics are veritable works of the classic artists is risible.

Aristus

(67,618 posts)
21. No.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:22 PM
Yesterday

Michelangelo's David is fine art. The Callipygian Venus is fine art.

Melania, your photographic output, like your husband, is trash.

Abolishinist

(1,717 posts)
23. Well, at least she wasn't with another man!
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:35 PM
Yesterday

I'm sure there's something in the Bible about this. A good yard sign in front of an evangelical church, perhaps?

ShazzieB

(17,984 posts)
59. Which one is Melania?
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:36 PM
23 hrs ago

Neither one of them looks like her to me. I mean, if I had to guess, I'd pick the one on the right, but if you showed me this picture cold and asked me if I recognized either of these women, I'd have to say no. Evidence of excessive plastic surgery, maybe?

niyad

(118,041 posts)
73. Definitely. Compare her now with some of her early modeling pics. LOTS
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 07:21 PM
19 hrs ago

of cosmetic surgery. Personally, I think she looked better in the "before" images.

CincyDem

(6,846 posts)
29. ok - so I'm going to be the contrarian here.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:57 PM
Yesterday

At its core, she shouldn't have to "defend" anything about the nude images. Her body her choice is, IMHO, about more than just women's health care.

HB-1 violation: go for it.
Being a 2-faced sugar daddy chasing reichwinger: go for it.
What she did to the Rose Garden: definitely go for it.

But, again IMHO, if she decided to do nude modeling work, I say her choice. I don't agree with the choice but it's not up to me.

To steal paraphrase: If you don't like nude images...don't be in nude images.

brush

(56,337 posts)
33. It was porn. I'm an artist who has used live models for figure drawing.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 02:04 PM
Yesterday

What she did was porn, not fine art. No even close, I don't care what she contends.

CincyDem

(6,846 posts)
34. I agree...and I still don't think it's ours to just that element of her life. There's so much other chit to choose from.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 02:16 PM
Yesterday

I'm old enough to remember when we hailed a hard (hard) core porn star for violating her NDA, forcing that issue to court and winning and then sitting in NYC courtroom facing off against TFG. I don't, however, remember any conversation from our side dismissing her testimony because of the work she decided to do.

I'm not defending the content fine art, fine porn, or anything...just saying her body, her choice.

niyad

(118,041 posts)
74. None of us made her feel she needed to "defend" her choice to be a nude
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 07:27 PM
19 hrs ago

model. It interests me that she felt the neeed to do so. My only problem is with her apparently getting an Einstein visa out of it. "significant contribution" my . . .

FreeState

(10,661 posts)
49. Im an artist as well and disagree
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:15 PM
Yesterday

(Photo's not figure drawings)

For me it comes down to why the photos were produced and who the intended audience is.

brush

(56,337 posts)
79. It's vey clear what audience porn photos are for. Highly doubtful that any...
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 10:50 PM
16 hrs ago

actual artist would call porn photos fine art.

In fact, it's beyond the pale,

Also see post 72.

Porn/erotica is fine for those who desire it, but let's be clear, it's not fine art.

FreeState

(10,661 posts)
84. Nope
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 11:50 PM
15 hrs ago

It all depends on who the intended audience is and what the intended use is. One thing no one has mentioned in this whole thread is where the pictures were published or why they were taken. (Edit to add it was Max a French fashion and lifestyle magazine - not a porn magazine).

Fine art refers to a creative art form primarily focused on aesthetic value, expression, and intellectual engagement, rather than practical or functional use.

It is often contrasted with applied or commercial arts, where art may serve a more utilitarian or mass-production purpose. Fine art is usually associated with works intended for galleries, museums, and private collections, representing cultural, historical, or personal significance.

brush

(56,337 posts)
85. Keep telling yourself that. Porn/erotica is porn/erotica, I don't care where it was published.
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 12:23 AM
14 hrs ago

It's not fine art. Actual artists tend to fiercely defend what is elevated to fine art as it's our stock and trade, so years later Melanoma can try all of a sudden to pretend that porn photos from her past are suddenly fine art, but that doesn't make it so.

Mossfern

(2,919 posts)
72. Moi aussi!
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 07:13 PM
20 hrs ago

I was a figure painter - the photos are not "art" as I understand it as a possessor of an MFA.
I am in no way offended by the photos, but one need to be clear about this.
They were done for prurient interest - not aesthetics.

on edit: I have posed nude for artists myself - none of the work was erotica. There's nothing wrong with erotica but Melania needs to own up to it - not play pretend.

aggiesal

(9,307 posts)
45. I think you forgot the hypocrisy of it all. ...
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:11 PM
Yesterday

Sure she can do nude photo's but she shouldn't pretend that's what an average FLOTUS would do, and married to a want-to-be dictator not allowing books, that display some of the same fine art she used in her video, in schools throughout the country.

CincyDem

(6,846 posts)
63. Im not arguing if its porn or fine art.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:55 PM
23 hrs ago

I’m arguing it’s not ok to shame anyone for how and where they choose to display their body.

We liked stormy’s clothed opinions and activities via-a-vis TFG so there was little if any mention of the hours and hours of really lurid hard core porn video that she described as artsy.

We don’t like melania’s clothed opinions so we go on about how even many images that are at worst, just awful art by any measure and to many, soft core porn that’s not much less tasteful than cable these days.

I’m just saying if either of them wants to do what they do in front of a lens with consenting adults…who am I to judge that aspect of their lives.

Peace out



Skittles

(157,006 posts)
83. do you not see it is the HYPOCRISY that is the issue?
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 11:48 PM
15 hrs ago

the repuke party CONSISTENTLY JUDGES THE MORALS OF OTHERS, but lets shit like this slide - it is SERIOUSLY fucked up

brush

(56,337 posts)
30. No, dear. That was porn. I'm an artist and have had live sessions with mode.s for figure drawing.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 01:59 PM
Yesterday

And what you did is not even in the neighborhood.

It was porn.

lindysalsagal

(21,895 posts)
32. Even if it were "art", she's not the artist! Lots of art has subjects like landscapes, animals, vegetation...
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 02:02 PM
Yesterday

IronLionZion

(46,689 posts)
37. Be Best, whatever
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 02:51 PM
Yesterday

Donald still paid hush money to a porn star and was convicted in court for it. And was found liable for sexual assault.

That's more important than some immigrant with a thick accent doing nude photoshoots.

et tu

(1,699 posts)
41. robert mapplethorpe comes to mind
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:08 PM
Yesterday

beautiful gray scale and intimate
congress had a hissy fit lol
gosh- bodies are bodies function follows form lol

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,505 posts)
44. I only see this as a promotion to sell her book
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:10 PM
Yesterday

She probably wants to sell more than Michelle Obama's "Becoming".

Maybe call it "Has Been"...

brewens

(14,988 posts)
51. Trump dropped the ball with her. He should have made Mailordia his Human Sex Trafficking Czar. Who knows
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:20 PM
23 hrs ago

the ins and outs of sex trafficking better than her?

Warpy

(112,781 posts)
61. Everything there was to say about naked women under 20 has already been said
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 03:39 PM
23 hrs ago

centuries ago and by men with far greater talent than her photographer.

I've seen the pics. They were artsy-craftsy porn. Oh, I don't fault her for doing them. It's just not art.

ShazzieB

(17,984 posts)
69. "I really don't care, do u?'
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 05:20 PM
21 hrs ago

That pretty much sums up how I feel about her nude photo work. As far as I'm concerned, it's ancient history. She did what she did for whatever reason she did it (probably because she needed the money), and I don't judge her for it.

I think trying to claim it's "fine art" is silly, and I doubt she'll convince many people (if any). But I honestly cannot find a single fuck to give about this.

Torchlight

(4,119 posts)
75. It's art when conservatives do it, porn when anyone else does.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 07:32 PM
19 hrs ago

It's the Free Market when conservatives do it, it's Cancel Culture when anyone else does it.

It's a Mistake My Family Is Looking To Move On From when they're caught being naughty outside of marriage, it's degeneracy when anyone else does it.

It's Traditional Families Value when a conservative does it, it's spousal abuse and assault when anyone else does it.

It's Patriotism when conservatives do it, it's Sedition, Subversion, Illegal, Un-American, and trying to overthrow a governement when anyone else does it.




She can call it what she wants, that's the only trick they have left.

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