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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust curious: What keeps conservatives/former republicans like Nicole Wallace, Tim Miller, Liz Cheney...
Michael Steele, Adam Kinzinger, Morning Joe and others from coming over to the Democratic side of the ledger?
They have to know Democrats always and historically nave had to come to the rescue of the nation, like the cavalry in western movies, after republican admins have screwed up the nation/economy: i.e. like Joe has done after trump's horrendously bad admin; like Pres. O did after W Bush's disastrous financial crisis; and LBJ's Great Society made so many things positive happen as he tacked into what JFK had begun; of course we have to go all the way back to FDR's New Deal policies which pulled the nation out of the Great Depression; and there were republican calamities before that I don't recall that far back from history books.
What do conservative actually stand for besides allegedly smaller government and fewer taxes when they never do that 'fewer taxes' thing for anyone but their rich sponsors, as they have to know/see from rubbing shoulders with and apparently liking the company of us left-of-center and even further left Dems and our aforementioned policy accomplishments, quite often frequenting talk shows, political and other environs with us?
What do they stand for? And what have republican admins accomplished that has really helped besides filling out the right side of the aisle and being the so-called loyal opposition?
What keeps them on the dark side?
hlthe2b
(105,114 posts)Jmb 4 Harris-Walz
(206 posts)hlthe2b
(105,114 posts)Jmb 4 Harris-Walz
(206 posts)Great question
since were a democratic group figured the best thing to do was check it out on Wikipedia. Some interesting facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_Republican_Party_(United_States)#:~:text=The%20positions%20of%20the%20Republican,and%20restrictions%20on%20labor%20unions.
Economic issues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_Republican_Party_(United_States)#:~:text=The%20positions%20of%20the%20Republican,and%20restrictions%20on%20labor%20unions.
Edit: My long hyperlink isnt working sorry for that, but Im sure most everyone who wants to check it out can find it easily.
brush
(56,413 posts)besides the Second Amendment, lower taxes for the rich, and of course trump snatching away abortion rights.
Lunabell
(6,527 posts)They oppose our Democratic platform of programs that help the poor, the minorities or large government programs. They believe in small gocmvernment and many oppose abortion, but not an extreme all out ban.
But, they value democracy and America. They know that that magats would destroy democracy. So, they oppose the orange blobfather and that is it.
They oppose sleazy politicians like ted cruz who would sell his own children to gain power. That is why Cheney endorses Allred in Texas. She knows he has Texas' best interests at heart, even though she does not support his ideas.
brush
(56,413 posts)LBJ's Great Society, Biden getting the nation vaccinated and massive infrastructure funding, the Chips act, much lower unemployment, environmental and gun laws passed and more.
Pres. O getting us through W' financial crisis, and getting the Affordable Care Act passed, not to mention no scandals and arrests.
What have they left us?
Lunabell
(6,527 posts)I'm not defending their policy beliefs, just their ability to see beyond those beliefs to save democracy. Integrity is paramount to party.
brush
(56,413 posts)since Lincoln, Grant and Sherman won the Civil War?
There's not much for the to hang their hat on except favoring the Second Amendment and snatching away abortion (not good).
SheltieLover
(58,665 posts)For the good of the citizens? Never, because that is not their agenda.
I firmly believe their ONLY agenda is to spread hate through their divisive teevee appearances, tax the hell out of the poor working people, and -- first and foremost -- belly up to the rich Fed feeding trough to line their own pockets.
They have NO vision for America -- at least not one that is good for ALL the people.
JMO.
brush
(56,413 posts)They've left little of note since Lincoln,, Grant and Sherman won the Civil War.
Ike wasn't that bad, but he'd be a convervaDem today.
SheltieLover
(58,665 posts)Oh, I know. I think Ike was the last of the semi-decent rethugs.
And many southerners still consider the Confederates "heroes."
megapuzzler
(482 posts)He made sure the holocaust atrocities were fully documented so they couldn't be swept under the rug
He got us out of the Korean war by simply declaring it was unwinnable and leaving -- no one could call him a coward because of his war record so he could do that.
He sent federal troops to the South to help enforce the new desegregation school laws.
He worked behind the scenes to undermine and get rid of Joseph McCarthy.
He implemented the US interstate highway system
If he was alive now, he'd be considered a democrat -- that's how far right our country has swung since the 50's
appmanga
(820 posts)...and the Republicans won out. That was back when nearly no one knew the political persuasion of most flag officers.
RichardRay
(2,612 posts)Remember that one things that distinguish across from Republicans is the belief that government can do any good. At the very root of Trumpism there are things that the Cheneys cant accept. They believe that a Democratic win keeps the nation alive so that they have something win back down the road.
Rebl2
(14,338 posts)Nicole was a democrat now.
brush
(56,413 posts)Since Lincoln, Grant and Sherman fought and won the Civil War?
No New Deal programs, nor Great Society ones, not saving the nation from W's Great Recession like Pres O. did, no getting the nation vaccinated and massive infrastructure funding like Joe Biden has done.
What have they left us since Lincoln?
Seriously, I want to know.
Cirsium
(311 posts)In the House, "the bill received 152 'yea' votes from Democrats, or 60 percent of their party, and 138 votes from Republicans, or 78 percent of their party."
"After some changes were made to the bill and the filibuster ended, it passed the Senate with a 73-27 vote. About 82 percent of Republicans in the Senate voted for the bill, as did 69 percent of Democrats. The amended Senate bill was then sent back to the House where it passed with 76 percent support from Republicans and 60 percent support from Democrats."
Prior to this, Congress had passed the Civil Rights Act of 1957, the first major civil rights legislation to be enacted in decades, that sought to protect the voting rights of black Americans. The bill passed the House in a 286-126 vote. Only 51 percent of Democrats voted in favor of the bill, or 119 of their 235 members, compared to 84 percent of Republicans, or 167 of their 199 members.
The bill was then brought to the Senate where Thurmond, an ardent foe of integration, filibustered the vote for a total of 24 hours and 18 minutes in protest the longest individual filibuster in history. Thurmond once said in a speech that theres not enough troops in the army to force the southern people to break down segregation and admit the Negro race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes and into our churches.
After the filibuster ended and a number of changes had been made, the bill passed in a 72-18 vote. The bill received 43 of 46 Republican votes, or 93 percent, and 29 of 49 Democratic votes, or 59 percent. The Senate version was sent back to the House, where it was approved after amendment in a 279-97 vote (75 percent of Republicans voting in favor and 55 percent of Democrats). The Senate agreed to the amendment, with support from 80 percent of Republicans and 46 percent of Democrats. Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed the bill into law on Sept. 9, 1957.
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/16/fact-check-percent-republicans-vote-civil-rights-act/
brush
(56,413 posts)All Democrats.
But not the "Dixiecrats."
TommyT139
(415 posts)If they believe that they are correct, why should they concede not only the political party, but the definition of conservative values to traitors? Because that's what leaving would do.
For Liz Cheney to say that a new party might need to be formed is, in a way, more drastic a statement than her calling out Trump. It says she doesn't think the Republican party is salvageable.
Jmb 4 Harris-Walz
(206 posts)brush
(56,413 posts)Cirsium
(311 posts)Wealthy people? They help them in many ways.
brush
(56,413 posts)Not much for the 99% though.
Absolutely.
WarGamer
(14,337 posts)brush
(56,413 posts)Cirsium
(311 posts)What are we constantly hearing from those Republicans on so-called "liberal media?"
duncang
(2,835 posts)But didnt Steele say he was a democrat now and that the Republican Party left him?
brush
(56,413 posts)allegorical oracle
(2,858 posts)the heroic WWII figure.
During the 60s, the stars were Kennedys and ML King, and were martyred. Nixon and Watergate, followed by Ford, were embarrassments in the 70s. Carter was truly smart and decent, but constantly ridiculed when Iran captured the U.S. Embassy and held it hostage.
Voila. Saint Ronny emerged and created a new brand of conservatism for that generation of folks you named (altho' Kinzinger is a bit younger).
Irish_Dem
(55,726 posts)bucolic_frolic
(45,892 posts)while telling the public it's all for their own good. i doubt they will give up that game anytime soon - ever.
There are owners and there are workers. The two don't mix well.
nycbos
(6,252 posts)I think for democracy to properly function you need to have a rational opposition people you disagree with and 90% of the issues, but are still respectful of our nation and its institutions.
PJMcK
(22,559 posts)They abhor Trump, Trumpism and MAGA. They believe in the rule of law, the supremacy of the Constitution and they support our democratic republic. Trumps ownership of the so-called Republican Party doesnt reflect any of the conservative values or policies of the traditional Republican perspective. His movement is an aberration of the governance they believe in.
N.B., In no way do I excuse or endorse any of these anti-Republicans! As a lifelong Democrat, I have plenty of contempt for most of them.
We Democrats should accept their support for the 2024 election unequivocally. However, those never-Trumpers will not morph into liberal Democrats, obviously. Like the Soviet Union was our at-arms-length ally in the last stretch of WWII, Liz Cheney will still be a hard-core Conservative if we collectively defeat Trump. I dont expect any of them to support VP Harris policies once she is officially inaugurated. It wont matter if Trump wins. The American experiment will be over.
Thats why theyre backing VP Harris, in my opinion.
Strange bedfellows, indeed!
LakeArenal
(29,578 posts)They including some Democrats, think we need the two party system.
But I only guess. I have never had a Republican thought in my own life.