I keep hearing how Vance did so well in in the debate?

[imanamerican63]

How could this be possible? He lied, he didn’t answer any questions with substance, he was arrogant and condescending. He talked down to the moderators and Walz.

To me that is not winning anything, but the attention of one man. He is a groomed mouthpiece. There were issues that weren’t addressed & I would have liked him to answer. One was “childless cat woman” or statement about Trump years ago? He was not a person I could trust if he were to be next in line for the role as president, period! As the pundits said “he was slick” and to me “slick” is another term for “asshole”.

Walz has the temperament to take the role if need to be! He’s relatively quick thinking and he’s the type to get things done just like Kamala.

Vance is a weasel who has no idea what he’s doing! Period!

[RockRaven]

1. Grading him relative to Dementia Donald yields the "so well" marking.

And anyone who judges that way isn't worth listening to except to lament that they, and the idiots who listen to them, also vote.

[elleng]

3. Right.

F.....g media ain't worth 2 cents! BUT for the occasional instance when he's called out.)

[elleng]

2. Right, he's an expert liar.

Problem is, no one confronts him with such (EXCEPT COACH!!!)

[MistakenLamb]

4. Because he is the sugar coated slick version of MAGA extremism

A Fascism without Trumps midnight tweet dereangement

[uponit7771]

5. Walz got commercial spots and highest approval from swing, Vance got a chance to show he was a mammal

... I say Walz won

[Rhiannon12866]

6. Every source that I've heard said that Tim Walz won

He told the truth while Vance lied repeatedly - most notably about the results of the 2020 election, he refused to admit that his current running mate lost badly.

[OldBaldy1701E]

7. Yeah, well I keep hearing that the orange gibbon was a great president as well.

It is all bunkum and should be ignored. Vance got his pompous butt handed to him. The spin machine doesn't want that fact to be the narrative. So, they spin like an old washing machine.

[markodochartaigh]

8. For the mainstream media,

Governor Walz's bar was to discuss VP Harris' stances and policies on the issues and explain them in a way that would make them understandable and appealing to the average voter, to present a good humored, yet strong statesman-like figure, and to fend off criticism from the moderators and Vance.

Vance's bar was to appear human.

Governor Walz, while passing the bar with flying colors, was still a Democratic politician.

Vance, barely passed, but this was such a surprise that the media loved it.


For anyone who cares about democracy in the US, Vance's bar was to appear supportive of the continuation of democracy in the US.

In this Vance failed spectacularly, worse than any other vice presidential candidate in any debate or even stump speech.

[DAngelo136]

9. Question: What's the difference between an artist...

and a bulls*it artist?

Answer: The artist makes something complex look simple and the bulls*it artist makes something simple look complex.
Keep that in mind whenever you hear Trump or Vance make a speech.

[no_hypocrisy]

10. The hackneyed "Style over Substance" veneer.

[Tesha]

11. His arrogance and his belief that he is superior

These are the attributes that the people find as admirable.
This is what they see in trump


Honesty has no value to MAGA

[JT45242]

12. Only slight correction...mouthpiece for a real billionaire and fluffer to a fake one

He is Thiel's mouthpiece.

That job makes him look like the TFG mouthpiece, but he is really just a fluffer to the orange menace.

Put charm on Thiel and the other tech bro lies so that they can buy the US government and turn us into the apartheid state with only white men at the top and women, coloreds, mixed, and Hispanics as different layers of inferior...

just like the good old days in South Africa.

[Orrex]

13. It's much like how evangelicals swoon over the closest thing we've seen to the antichrist

Even if they're lying, all someone needs to do is recite the right fluffy Christianist talking points, or take a Jesus-based knee at a sports event, or wave a bible for a photo op, and these jihadists get all weepy.

They need someone to check the right boxes, and Trump does that for them even as he commits every sin in their book.

Vance likewise checks all the boxes for them. Doesn't matter that he's obviously and verifiably lying. He's their boy, and they'll love him no matter how many couches he fucks.

[BlueTsunami2018]

14. He was smooth and articulate in his lying.

And Walz was a bit manic.

You know this shit is all style over substance.

[TommieMommy]

15. I feel Tim Walz won the debate. He is trustworthy and answered everything. Vance is a sleezy guy

I wouldn't trust him at all

[Kaleva]

16. But these aren't actual debates. These are beauty pagents

where presentation and style are being judged.

By your standards, Biden was the clear winner of the 1st debate.

I don't have the source handy but I've read that a majority of those who listened to the Nixon-JFK debate on radio thought Nixon won while s majority of the viewers who watched it on tv thought JFK won.

[Kaleva]

17. I don't watch them because I already know who I'm voting for

[EYESORE 9001]

18. Lugubrious shitweasel is poised on stage without need for coaching

Tim Walz, on the other hand, took the debate seriously and acted like a normal person would in that situation.

[GopherGal]

21. Vance was impressive...

he actually kept a straight face while saying that Trump saved the ACA.

Which should have been a litmus test that that a-hole was full of shit and not to be trusted.

[betsuni]

19. Republicans are praised for breathing, Democrats nitpicked to death for breathing. That's the rule.

[Maeve]

20. He came across as composed, assured and more human than on the trail--but (excuse me, BUT!!!!)

If you know things about what he said, you know he's a serial liar. His mom's drug addiction was to meds she stole from the hoospital, not to Chinese fentanyl smuggled in from Mexico. Drug cartels are smuggling guns SOUTH across the border, not bringing them in. His grandparents were both abusive, and if Granny was a good Christian, it didn't mean she taught him not to bear false witness against his neighbors (he knew the pet-eating Haitian story was a lie when he first spread it) and it didn't stop her from setting Pawpa on fire when he came home drunk one too many times (ya see, I read his book).
He's another con man, impure and simple.

[Dear_Prudence]

27. You nailed it! nt

[kentuck]

22. He did what he set out to accomplish...

Which was to make Republicans look more normal and less "weird".

[Emile]

23. Waltz approval rating post debate rose even higher.

No matter how you look at it, JD Vance lost.

[Polybius]

25. Both of them had their approval ratings rise after the debate

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-vp-debate-poll-2024/

[JI7]

24. I didn't watch the whole debate but the few clips I saw I didn't think he even

came across well. He comes off as very phony, sleazy, and unlikable. I thought Walz came off as real, empathetic, and likable.

The Biden debate with Paul Ryan is an example of coming across as tougher but still being real and likable. Vance was nothing like this. There might be people that say Vance "won" just based on who they think seems more forceful or aggrssive but how about in how many they could convince to support them ?

The poll which showed Walz increased his likability while Vance still had more unlikable over likable would confirm my view.

And this doesn't even get into the lies told by Vance.

[Jirel]

26. He did, no point denying it.

Admittedly, the bar was low. But he had one mission: make himself look halfway sane and reasonable to uninformed/less informed viewers, and get sound bites doing so that they could use. No question, he accomplished that.

My one upset about Walz’s performance is that he missed so many opportunities to challenge Shady on his outrageous statements that he was trying to pretend didn’t happen during the debate. He could have destroyed Shady’s chosen narrative, but instead handled him like he was a normal human being.

[kcr]

29. No point in denying it?

Well, DU, we can all go home now. The arbiter of truth and discussion has arrived.

There's no point in denying it only if you're a Trumper, or a fringe loonie who only wants to see Dems lose regardless of the consequences. If you only value and appreciate style and care not a whit for substance.

[-misanthroptimist]

28. But he told his lies with style and confidence

Remember when outright lying would get you in trouble? I miss those days.