Disturbing story about my daughter's friend who went from a Trump hater to a Trump supporter

[LymphocyteLover]

The friend is a 21 year old white girl

The key factor seemed to be that she got involved with a guy who is a massive Trump fan, has a picture of Trump on his bedroom wall

This girl says she's watched a lot of pro-Trump TikTok and now she likes him.

She found his arguments on immigration compelling, now supports building the wall. Is worried about inflation too.

Her BF told her Trump will never sign a national abortion ban. Although this is kind of moot since we live in Indiana with a strict abortion ban now.

Maybe the worst part was she was using very denigrating language about Kamala.

My daughter and her other friend argued with her and got her to say she would vote for Kamala, although who knows if she will stick to this. Also apparently the girl's grandmother offered to pay her college tuition is she voted for Kamala!

I know this girl is young and she's sort of dippy, but I'm just so disturbed anyone can shift like this. But that's the way propaganda works...

[Think. Again.]

1. The fact that she got personally involved with a magat in the first place...

...says a lot about how smart she is (or isn't).

[LymphocyteLover]

20. yeah...

[Betty Boom]

47. Ever been to Indiana?

It’s slim pickings.

[Think. Again.]

50. Yes, but self-abuse isn't an answer to loneliness.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Reminds me I'm of my sister

2016: 3 months before the Election, she said, “I’m not not voting for Trump. He scares me.” 6 weeks later: “I’m not voting for Hillary. She scares me.” (She adopted the position of her idiot friend.)

[ClimateHawk]

3. Tell her inflation is down

and that it’s back to where it was pre-pandemic.

[Self Esteem]

31. That's the problem. Inflation is down but prices aren't.

We're likely never going back to pre-2021 prices again. It's like when everyone posts photos of how much a burger cost in the 70s. Yeah, you're never going to get a burger consistently for 75 cents again.

Inflation has cooled but the massive surge in prices between 2021 and 2023 are still being felt today.

And that's why people still perceive Inflation is high today, even if it's not - because of the increase in prices over the last four years.

We're now at a healthy Inflation rate (around 2%, which it's typically where a healthy economy will be).

But in 2021, the average inflation was 4.7%.

In 2022, it was 8%.

In 2023, it was 4.1%.

So, from 2021 to 2023, prices rose by nearly 17% (based on the yearly average).

With a healthy Inflation, prices would have rose only 6% comparatively (2+2+2).

And that's been what has frustrated a lot of voters. None of them seem to care about WHY inflation spiked like it did. Just that it did. And they want pre-2021 prices.

But even as inflation cools, beyond deflation (which would not be good and a sign of a recession), they're not going to get it. So, they're still trying to accept that everything is generally way more expensive than it was four years ago.

[yardwork]

39. Republican policies have kept wages low compared to prices.

It's a shame that people don't recognize who caused the problem in the first place.

As Kamala Harris said, paraphrasing, Republicans do t want to solve problems, they want to run on them.

[Think. Again.]

41. AND corporate profiteers have kept price-gouging to keep their profits rolling in.

[RidinWithHarris]

4. I think we're so used to people with inflexible positions that it's surprising when this other form of crazy...

...pops out: people with incredibly shallow beliefs that can shift under the slightest breeze -- not liars who'll claim anything that's to their advantage, but sincere in what they say they believe in a given moment, yet also changing from moment to moment to fit in.

[ms liberty]

5. Some people are easily influenced by friends and partners.

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If the relationship doesn't last, she may come out of it with a lesson learned.

[Timeflyer]

6. Lust makes people stupid. Hope she gets over this guy (and doesn't get pregnant!).

[ProudMNDemocrat]

7. Being a tRumper is to be in a CULT...

Plain and simple.

Let her stew living under a Harris Administration where she will have rights to her own body, have educational opportunities, job opportunities, etc. Let her experience FREEDOM and RIGHTS as well what it means to be an American.

To the others unwilling to accept the good, their LOSS!

[Johonny]

8. She is voting for mythical Trump

Not the real man. Unfortunately the real man gets all the votes. Propaganda works. Then again it is targeted at people that usually have a positive view already to be exploited. If you are a racist with little understanding of economics or history, Trumps racist rants, and fake economic fear shit works wonders on you.

[oasis]

9. How many "dippy" people even vote?

[TwilightZone]

14. More than we would like to admit.

Millions of them. They're the people who voted for W because he seemed like a good guy to have a beer with. Without them, Trump would have never been anywhere near the presidency. We pretty routinely underestimate how shallow the voting public can be.

[Farmer-Rick]

17. The only votes that really counted with W

Were the Supreme Court's.

[eppur_se_muova]

52. Remember, 50% of voters are below average, by almost any metric. nt

[Kid Berwyn]

10. Trumpnosis

Members of a cult worship the leader and echo the leader’s words and actions. Repetition is key.



A professional hypnotist tried to warn us. Coupled with NBC and the rest of corporate mass media, even Dimdonnie Dipwad could do it:

Hypnotist Richard Barker Shows How Trumpnosis, Donald Trump's Form of Covert Hypnosis, Affects Millions Around the World

NEWS PROVIDED BY
Richard Barker, Incredible Hypnotist
Mar 29, 2016, 08:35 ET

ORLANDO, Fla., March 29, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Hypnotist Richard Barker has just released research surrounding mass hypnosis and has coined the phrase "Trumpnosis".

Trumpnosis.com has been receiving lots of interest as of late. Covert hypnosis means having access to people's subconscious mind and altering the way they behave and think in a disguised or somewhat hidden way. Some popular covert hypnosis techniques used to align someone's behavior and thoughts to the desired outcome of the hypnotists are displayed during mass hypnosis.

Barker typically refers to mass hypnosis as "Trumpnosis", since he states, "Mr. Trump displays it so well". The media have also made comments regarding the Hypnotizing of a nation and questioned what is happening to America. Through the words and actions of an individual, can we influence and suggest a nation to think a certain way? Richard Barker who is known as the 'Incredible Hypnotist' thinks so. Barker said, "Everything we do and see must first start with a thought process. We don't see the world; we think it. If your thoughts are influenced by a master Hypnotist to think in a certain way on a mass level, this is 'Trumpnosis'".

Mass Hypnotism can apply to everything and be everywhere – in families, in schools and in politics. The influence and use of repetition on crowds is identified through Mr. Trump's speeches and is seen to influence even the most enlightened minds. The power is due to the fact that the repeated statements are embedded in those profound regions of our subconscious mind.

Donald Trump successfully uses techniques such as pacing and leading, anchoring, verbal confusion, repetition and so on. He successfully bypasses the critical factor in minds of some people and has the ability to turn off the rational thinking. By using certain words and behavior, a speaker can very quickly establish a rapport with an audience. Repeated exposure to the same speaker can result in them being viewed with admiration, bordering on worship. Every word uttered is accepted as the complete truth.

“ Through the words he has used, both now and in the past, he has placed others into a hypnotic state without them knowing," says Barker. "Trump's speeches contains hypnosis techniques of hypnotic anchoring, pacing and leading, critical factor bypass and so on."

Hypnotist Richard Barker insists, "All you need to remember is that most people's needs are based on their instincts. Understanding people's instincts, especially in a mass gathering, is one of the key goals of mass hypnosis. Trumpnosis is a vehicle for enabling large groups of people to have an altered belief system."

Richard Barker is a World Renowned Professional Hypnotist. He has spent the last 20 years working with thousands of clients across the world. Richard Barker has recently appeared on NBC's The Today Show, CBS' The Late Late Show with James Corden, FOX's Good Day LA and News channels for FOX and ABC http://incrediblehypnotist.com

He has written a new book focusing on Persuasion and Suggestion titled, "Selling Hypnotically. The Art Of Suggestion" http://sellinghypnotically.com

Source (press release for news, public use distribution and publication): https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hypnotist-richard-barker-shows-how-trumpnosis-donald-trumps-form-of-covert-hypnosis-affects-millions-around-the-world-300242345.html

Does a fish know the water is part of something bigger?

[LymphocyteLover]

21. Interesting... hadn't seen this

[littlemissmartypants]

32. Have you started an OP on this? ❤️

[Kid Berwyn]

46. I thought I did, but I can't find it...

Weird. I used the advanced and simple search and it did not turn up. It was part of a two-section OP that also had info on mind impact /control weapons that employ microwaves.

Sorry so late in reply, littlemissmartypants. I was going through my Journal. When I find the thing I promise to let you know.

Speaking as an old guy, I remember that photo of the Trump follower. Her expression is what Gala Dali said about her hubby's Persistence of Memory, "No one can forget it after seeing it."

[littlemissmartypants]

48. Is this it?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217067938

[littlemissmartypants]

49. I also found this. But no OP.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215955519#post2

❤️

[Think. Again.]

42. That explains why he does live rallies instead of TV and media...

From the OP:

"Hypnotist Richard Barker insists, "All you need to remember is that most people's needs are based on their instincts. Understanding people's instincts, especially in a mass gathering, is one of the key goals of mass hypnosis. Trumpnosis is a vehicle for enabling large groups of people to have an altered belief system."

[MotownPgh]

11. Some women (and some men) have

been guilty of this since time began. I remember my sister taking up ham radio because her boyfriend was into it. I called her the chameleon. They are very romantic relationship-identified.

[-misanthroptimist]

12. If it makes you feel any better...

...and it shouldn't. My experience leads me to believe that she didn't really buy the propaganda. She's just in love and wants to be in sync with her guy. If she is indeed dippy as you say, then she will change to something else after this relationship ends -if it ends.

JMO

[LymphocyteLover]

22. Yeah, I agree. The disturbing thing is just her ignoring the past 9 years of him being awful and even criminal

[Quiet Em]

13. She's 21 and wants to impress her boyfriend.

The picture of Trump on his bedroom wall is a huge red flag. Hopefully this relationship doesn't last. Are you sure she is registered to vote? She doesn't seem very mature.

[LymphocyteLover]

23. I don't really know if she's registered but maybe her boyfriend made her do it. I haven't seen her in a while.

[The Wizard]

15. She must be starved for companionship.

Pox News brain poison is also a major factor. Once they're lost to Pox they need professional deprogramming.

[Bev54]

16. She is young and I hope her friends continue to work on her. This guy may not last and she will need them.

Most of us have at least one "what the hell was I thinking" relationship, let's hope this is hers and it is short lived.

[kimbutgar]

18. I had a friend who was non political newly divorced and looking for a man

She hooked up with an orange maggot supporter and went nuts about him. We no longer speak. The guy is abusive and uses her for sex he doesn’t contact her during the week and only see her for sex on the weekend. I also questioned her about his intentions and she told me I was jealous! ha ha been married 35 years to the love of my life and I’m jealous!!!!!

[Farmer-Rick]

19. Sounds like she really didn't Hate Trump

At most she was probably neutral. No true Trump hater would have dated a guy with a picture of Trump on his bedroom wall. She would have picked up on clues when talking with him and would never have gotten serious with him.

Sounds like she's not all that serious about any of it if she sways back and forth so easily. Don't bet on her voting at all. If you are that wishy-washy,.you will not make time to vote.

[barbtries]

25. she will vote.

he'll make sure of it.

[LymphocyteLover]

26. that is my hope...OTOH there is little chance her vote will make a difference in Indiana

sad so many here are suckered by him.

[barbtries]

24. poor girl

internalized misogyny has rendered incapable or unwilling to think for herself.

probably (sounds like) she went in with a basic racism that fell right in with his multiple bigotries.

if you can share this with her it may give her food for thought

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[sdfernando]

27. "In matters of great concern,

and which must be done, there is no surer argument of a weak mind than irresolution; to be undetermined where the case is so plain, and the necessity so urgent. To be always intending to live a new life, but never to find time to set about it; this is as if a man should put off eating, and drinking, and sleeping, from one day and night to another, till he is starved and destroyed."

John Tillotson

[NoMoreRepugs]

28. Sorry - you are a LOSER if your significant other has a picture of the SlobFather on the bedroom wall.

[Joinfortmill]

29. Thinking with the lower brain. With luck this, too will pass

[MorbidButterflyTat]

30. How did anyone find out he had a poster of *rump on his bedroom wall?

I had posters of Andy Gibb on my bedroom wall but I was a teenage girl. What grown man is having a poster of *rump?

Is he kissing it goodnight every night and whispering sweet nothings? Or lighting candles around it and chanting devotions?

That's definitely disturbing but so is this:

"My daughter and her other friend argued with her and got her to say she would vote for Kamala, although who knows if she will stick to this. Also apparently the girl's grandmother offered to pay her college tuition is she voted for Kamala!"

That is so wrong. If this weirdo boyfriend is bullying her, so are her "friends," and her grandmother is bribing her?

Sounds like some reality show feeding on drama.

[LymphocyteLover]

45. the friend told my daughter he had that pic up....

[karynnj]

33. Wow. Reading this as an outsider that girl has no core beliefs of her own

If she votes at all, it may be to the candidate of whomever of her boyfriend, her friends, her grandmother speaks to her last. Alternatively, the fact that she watched pro Trump videos specifically on immigration, suggest she is ok with the glaring white nationalism and has internalized it. This even though she has relatives and friends who seem to reject this. ( If she spoke of videos that spoke of the utopia of the previous Trump years, it would be less damning.)

[Tree Lady]

36. That's the problem in a nut shell

millions and millions of people in this country will be voting based on what they feel, a whim, what a friend said, their boss said, parents said, spouse said, a ad they saw, etc.

It's very scary and not much we can do about it except get the word out on our side because many will vote our side for the same reason.

[William Seger]

34. "She found his arguments on immigration compelling..."

"... now supports building the wall. Is worried about inflation too."

In other words, he pushed her fear, paranoia, and resentment buttons with derogatory stereotypes and lies -- same as it ever was with fascist demagogues.

[littlemissmartypants]

35. Don't give up. Tell her to go ahead. If she doesn't like birthcontrol and wants her

"Man" to control her too. Then maybe she'll think.

Ask her if she's in an abusive relationship and show her this...
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https://www.wingsforjustice.com/domestic-violence-wheel-of-power-and-control/
Young people now have a high number of abusive coercive relationships. Check out the data.

Shun her. Or let her think that you are.

Argument won't convince her. Probably. Incentives maybe if they are contingent and backed by proof. Like seeing her actual ballot.

Check back later and tell us how she's doing then.



Good luck.

🤞

❤️

[Upthevibe]

37. LymphocyteLover.......

Just my opinion but I blame it on the boyfriend. She possibly doesn't have a strong sense of self.

Maybe it's because my parents were civil rights activists and progressives but even at 21 a Trump supporter would be a deal breaker for me. All of my siblings and our nephews are progressives as well.

I hope she does end up voting for Kamala. A young white male trump supporter is a huge red flag. I wonder what his thoughts are on Andrew Tate.....

[LymphocyteLover]

43. Thanks... it's definitely the boyfriend. She says he treats her well but they haven't been together that long and it's

easy to imagine he would get abusive/more abusive over time

[PortTack]

38. Young women being "indoctrinated" for luv....sad

[littlemissmartypants]

51. Luv? Sex, food and fun, maybe. Love, I have my doubts.

❤️

[JI7]

40. She is doing what makes her popular with those around her

Especially there part where you say she was being very pro Trump and anti Kamala but after your daughter and another friend argued with her she said she would vote for Kamala Harris.

She was being anti Trump in the first place to fit in with the crowd then she was pro Trump becsuse of her boyfriend but then says she will vote for Harris when she is with pro Harris friends.

In reality she just has little to no interest in politics and more focused on her social life and wanting to be popular.

[LymphocyteLover]

44. probably! Peer pressure!

[DFW]

53. My wife had a co-worker like that decades sgo.

Formerly not politically involved, she got a new boyfriend who was in the DKP, the (west) German Communist Party. She came to work spouting all the latest BS propaganda her boyfriend’s socialist gurus in East Berlin were sending over. When my wife used to call her on some of her more absurd assertions, which she recited verbatim, but couldn’t explain, her comment was, “da müsstest du den Jürgen fragen.” On that, you’d have to ask Jürgen,” her boyfriend. She could spout the propaganda just fine, but when asked to explain any of it, she was clueless.

[LymphocyteLover]

54. kind of funny, but sad too

[DFW]

56. The more extreme (and easy to disprove) a cult's assertions are,

The more they seem to need to defend them with anger, volume and violence (if the other two fail).
It's almost as if they would run you over in their car in order to satisfy their need to assert their belief in the Tooth Fairy.
One could say they don't appear to have a lot of faith in their faith.

[dalton99a]

55. +1. It's like that with many of the cult members here

Which is why Trump says "Believe me" and "Trust me" a lot

It's faith over reason