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senseandsensibility

(20,392 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 01:12 PM Oct 4

Ron Filipkowski is sounding the alarm

He is saying that the Biden and Harris campaigns and FEMA can not rely on just a handful of spokespeople to counteract the FIREHOUSE OF LIES coming from maga about their disaster response. He is warning that they are already late to the party and need to hit these lies hard and often.

They have the money to get their message out. The truth is helpful to them, but so is showing that cheato and vance are liars. Let's go!

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Ron Filipkowski is sounding the alarm (Original Post) senseandsensibility Oct 4 OP
What are they waiting for. Blue Full Moon Oct 4 #1
Well, Biden could take a few moments to address in this in his press senseandsensibility Oct 4 #2
There's hundreds of thousands who have lost everything central scrutinizer Oct 4 #3
Of course and there's little the campaign can do to counteract that senseandsensibility Oct 4 #4
YES! TY & Ron Flipkowski! Cha Oct 4 #5
Counter-prop must be: 1) accurate, 2) clear (simple), 3) fast response, 4) targetted at audience of orig propaganda. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 4 #6
True senseandsensibility Oct 4 #8
Came across a tick tock video somebody reposted on Facebook Sugarcoated Oct 4 #7
Read the comments connected to this video Sugarcoated Oct 4 #10
Don't give them clicks, please Betty Boom Oct 4 #20
I do appreciate you posting this link senseandsensibility Oct 4 #14
I totally agree. The lies gain traction because they are repeated so often and people want to believe them. Martin68 Oct 4 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author disappearingboy Oct 4 #11
Social Media owns this problem RainCaster Oct 4 #12
Agree...I would only add ...let's not spread this here on DU. PortTack Oct 4 #27
Some people on social media Sugarcoated Oct 4 #13
they want to make this the "Biden-Harris Katrina" WarGamer Oct 4 #15
True, and I think RF is trying to say senseandsensibility Oct 4 #16
We all need to back them up. BoomaofBandM Oct 4 #17
Yes, all hands on deck senseandsensibility Oct 4 #28
Biden should do a press conference on state of hurricane efforts and where to donate. clutterbox1830 Oct 4 #18
Prime time press conference PennRalphie Oct 4 #19
A good use for the bully pulpit senseandsensibility Oct 4 #21
Who was it that said to never let BattleRow Oct 4 #22
And who was in GA yesterday, or the day b4 serving food to disaster victims?? PortTack Oct 4 #24
Link your story! That's not the case!! PortTack Oct 4 #25
Seems to me the Harris campaign is doing a great job! I believe by being present, which they are, they're pushing back PortTack Oct 4 #23
Here is a TikTok link to a great rant addressing Helene B.S. LuvLoogie Oct 4 #26
Thx for posting the TikTok clip...unlike many here, I do watch and follow lots of ppl and candidates on tiktok PortTack Oct 4 #29
It's a great platform. LuvLoogie Oct 4 #30
That was incredible Wiz Imp Oct 4 #31
THIS is why Scalise wants TikTok banned. LuvLoogie Oct 4 #32
Yeah, she's pretty fucking awesome. LuvLoogie Oct 4 #33
I looked at her background and see that she used to work for Americans For Prosperity Wiz Imp Oct 4 #34
There are a lot of folks LuvLoogie Oct 4 #35
late to the party? Skittles Oct 5 #36

central scrutinizer

(12,441 posts)
3. There's hundreds of thousands who have lost everything
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 01:48 PM
Oct 4

It’ll be easy for Fox “journalists “ to find disgruntled impatient citizens to “interview “ who will heap blame on Biden/Harris.

senseandsensibility

(20,392 posts)
4. Of course and there's little the campaign can do to counteract that
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 01:49 PM
Oct 4

but the firehouse of lies coming directly from the cheato campaign needs to be addressed repeatedly.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,201 posts)
6. Counter-prop must be: 1) accurate, 2) clear (simple), 3) fast response, 4) targetted at audience of orig propaganda. .nt
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 02:32 PM
Oct 4

senseandsensibility

(20,392 posts)
8. True
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 02:42 PM
Oct 4

Clarity and simplicity have been challenging for Dems in the past. I just heard Kamala "clap back" at the lack of endorsement by firefighters in no uncertain terms on MSNBC. The term union buster was used. Hope to hear more of this.

Sugarcoated

(8,115 posts)
7. Came across a tick tock video somebody reposted on Facebook
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 02:41 PM
Oct 4

A guy criticizing the government response. I'll go get it and repost it here so you see what I'm talking about, but the comments are off the charts crazy. All kinds of conspiracy theories about the government trying to take over a certain area of North Carolina because they want the uranium mines or, I don't know, I can't really explain it but the Facebook accounts of these dozens of people looked very fishy. It really and truly look like Russian propaganda, and they're pushing it hard

Betty Boom

(222 posts)
20. Don't give them clicks, please
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:50 PM
Oct 4

I’m not going to click on that as I don’t believe in giving toxic misinformation like that clicks. That’s what they want

senseandsensibility

(20,392 posts)
14. I do appreciate you posting this link
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:13 PM
Oct 4

so that DUers can see exactly what Filipkowski is referring to. I hope you'll understand, though, that I don't want to click on it. That's a reflection on me, I'm afraid, and my very low tolerance for that sort of thing. But I can imagine. I'm sure it's beyond crazy.

Martin68

(24,701 posts)
9. I totally agree. The lies gain traction because they are repeated so often and people want to believe them.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 02:48 PM
Oct 4

If we don't do a better job refuting them and getting a convincing case for the truth out there, we are in trouble.

Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

RainCaster

(11,635 posts)
12. Social Media owns this problem
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:08 PM
Oct 4

My guess is that much of this is coming from Russian troll farms. Facebook, Xitter and others ("truth" social) are the ones responsible for filtering this crap. And they have failed.

Sugarcoated

(8,115 posts)
13. Some people on social media
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:09 PM
Oct 4

whose accounts don't look like constituents, or even authentic, are pushing crazy conspiracy theory shit, taking advantage of the disaster. They troll my rep, Madeleine Dean's fb page. She posted about her mother dying of ovarian cancer and they are swarming the page with dishonest attacks. The maga candidate running against her, David Winkler, is trolling her page as he frequently does. He's a really disgusting bully who tries to disseminate conspiracy nutbaggery
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/UYh9t8RENLMD6c4G/

WarGamer

(15,705 posts)
15. they want to make this the "Biden-Harris Katrina"
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:15 PM
Oct 4

And they've got every last one of their paid liars out screaming it, over and over.

clutterbox1830

(456 posts)
18. Biden should do a press conference on state of hurricane efforts and where to donate.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:20 PM
Oct 4

Trump does press conferences all the time just to do a stump speech and the media falls for it all the time.
At least a Biden conference will be informative.

PennRalphie

(322 posts)
19. Prime time press conference
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:40 PM
Oct 4

It’s needed now. Biden and Harris pledging to help the people. So many rumors going around. FEMA out of money. Not allowing helicopters to rescue. Get in front of this now.

BattleRow

(1,255 posts)
22. Who was it that said to never let
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:02 PM
Oct 4

a disaster go to waste?
L BJ was right there in the floodwaters after Hurricane Betsy hit New Orleans in 1964, announcing via loudspeaker,

"I am your President."

Btw,he was a Democratic.

PortTack

(34,822 posts)
23. Seems to me the Harris campaign is doing a great job! I believe by being present, which they are, they're pushing back
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:05 PM
Oct 4

When one tries to counter every lie they tell…who’s the one that looks pathetic?!!

Voters understand who lies and who tells the truth.

LuvLoogie

(7,574 posts)
26. Here is a TikTok link to a great rant addressing Helene B.S.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:11 PM
Oct 4

I downloaded it and uploaded it to Facebook and made it shareable.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFyYtLGD/

PortTack

(34,822 posts)
29. Thx for posting the TikTok clip...unlike many here, I do watch and follow lots of ppl and candidates on tiktok
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:18 PM
Oct 4

And, this is exactly the kind of thing I see there!

LuvLoogie

(7,574 posts)
30. It's a great platform.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:25 PM
Oct 4

And yes, there are a lot of lying trumplickers on TikTok, but there are a lot of good guys too.

Wiz Imp

(2,330 posts)
31. That was incredible
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 05:25 PM
Oct 4

I then went and watched a bunch of her other videos and I think I'm in love - she is so good at cutting through the bullshit and explaining things in a way that even MAGA cultists should understand (unfortunately, most of them won't anyway.)

LuvLoogie

(7,574 posts)
32. THIS is why Scalise wants TikTok banned.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 06:01 PM
Oct 4

It's too bad Dems fell for the Chinese spy bullshit.

Wiz Imp

(2,330 posts)
34. I looked at her background and see that she used to work for Americans For Prosperity
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 06:28 PM
Oct 4

and even worked for the campaign of Steve King, the reprehensible racist from Iowa. But she is very open that at some point she started to self-reflect and question why she was supporting some of the things she did. From, there she realized she had been wrong about a lot of things and has now become an outspoken opponent of the MAGA mindset. She claims to be in the middle, but what's clear is she has no time for the MAGA cult. Her videos about the culture in small towns in South Dakota are chilling but it's great she's getting the message out to a decent audience.

LuvLoogie

(7,574 posts)
35. There are a lot of folks
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 11:49 PM
Oct 4

deconstructing their right-wing upbringing. They become passionate when they begin to see through the lies.

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