On MSNBC Morning Joe. "North Carolina man blames trump for father-in-law refusing FEMA help.

[JohnSJ]

Here is an interaction with Dan Abrams with someone discussing his father-in-law:

"ANTHONY: My father-in-law lives just outside of Asheville, North Carolina, and he was badly damaged by Hurricane Helene. And he has refused all FEMA help because he's a hardcore trumper. He literally believes that if he accepts anything from FEMA, they're going to take his house.

ANTHONY: I don't understand how so many people are under the spell of this freaking con man. I don't understand it.

DAN ABRAMS: It's absolutely heartbreaking about your father-in-law. I'm so sorry to hear it, um you know--

ANTHONY: Dan, it's hard. It's hard to even imagine it. I mean, he lost almost everything, and he's refusing all help from the federal government and complaining to us that he doesn't have food, that he doesn't have the stuff he need, and yet he won't accept the help. What the hell are we supposed to do? We're not in a position to be able to fly across the country and help him. There's people begging us to get him to accept help and he won't do it. And I guarantee you, I'm not the only one. I guarantee you I'm not the only one.

DAN ABRAMS: I wish there was something I could say as to, you know, I don't know. Is there ---does he have access to any electronics where you could send him some information debunking this and that he might --

ANTHONY: We've done all of that. We've done all of that. We've sent him, we've sent him all the FEMA bulletins. We've sent hi all the stuff from the fact checkers. He doesn't believe it. He thinks it's all --- he just believes trump, literally, Dan. He just ---- it's a cult! He's a cult member. I'm sorry to say it. He's a cult member. And he's my father-in-law and it sucks"

No link because I transcribed it off the TV.

[betsuni]

1. K&R

[Iris]

2. This is so sad. You can "hear" the helplessness and frustration in this man's words

I would love to see Trump confronted with this one experience

[JohnSJ]

3. Even if he is confronted, he will evade the question.

[slightlv]

16. Not only evade the question

But revel in the information on this cult member, wishing only for millions more to be the same way. He'll get his kicks out of it.

[Iris]

22. I guess I was thinking that other people need to see him being delighted in the suffering of others

[ShazzieB]

50. That might teach some people something, IF he let his delight show.

But I don't think he would. At best, he would demonstrate how little he cares by belligerently refusing to believe the story. The cultists who are programmed to believe every word he says would continue to believe him.

I honestly don't know what it would take to make some people stop taking everything he says as gospel.

[mn9driver]

23. No conscience, no remorse. All Trump would feel is satisfaction.

Evil personified.

[iluvtennis]

39. Wouldn't make one bit of impact on DonOLD who has empathy for no one. n/t

[ShazzieB]

48. He wouldn't care one bit.

He has absolutely no empathy, no compassion, no concern for anyone other than himself.

If confronted with a story like this, he would brush it off and refuse to believe it, then go right back to spewing his lies.

If he had any emotional reaction at all, it would probably be annoyance at being told he was wrong, mixed with a secret sense of satisfaction that he was able to have that kind of influence on someone.

[DBoon]

52. Trump wouldn't care about this man's troubles

Trump completely lacks any empathy

[BoRaGard]

4. Free clue for G.O.P.: lying has ugly consequences

Bearing False Witness is not just a sin according your own alleged religious beliefs,
but also it is often criminal even fatal.

G.O.P. needs to stop its evil, sinful ways.

[Joinfortmill]

5. Trump is a pestilence.

[JoseBalow]

62. drumpf was sent by god

[soldierant]

79. well, I believe that Trump** was

[Walleye]

6. This reminds me of the GOP governors turning down federal Medicaid money, because Trump

they obviously don’t want to help their constituents. They just want to please their rich friends.

[malaise]

9. I disagree

Not because of the Slobfather - because the governor puts self over constituents

[BluenFLA]

7. This isn't surprising

They acted the same way during the pandemic by refusing to mask up or take the vaccines. I swear they are their own worst enemies.

[Attilatheblond]

53. The point to remember when dealing with WILLFUL IGNORANCE is that people choose to remain in that state

We can try to help.
We can feel for them, worry about them, some even pray for them

But we can't fix willful ignorance. Sometimes you just have to throw up your hands and leave them to their own bad choices.

[Mr.WeRP]

8. My FiL, MiL, SiL and my own brother and two sisters

Are all cult members. It’s rough.

[durablend]

10. "It's a cult"

More people need to say this

[pat_k]

55. Absolutely. And the brainwashing pre-dates DT

We need more documentaries like this one from 2015 about the heartbreak of losing friends and family to far right media. The phenomenon is just getting worse. Hating the people who support Trump only binds them together more strongly. We need to address this as a nation and find ways to reach and de-program.

[krkaufman]

72. Yep, Trump just exploited what was sitting there.

And many Never Trumpers are just mad that he stole the keys to the car and has been joy-riding around in their vehicle the last 8 years.

[Farmer-Rick]

11. Lies and fantasy conspiracies

Are designed to make Americans suffer. It's what Trump, the filthy-rich oligarchs and the GOP want. They want people to suffer. They want Americans to suffer.

I think Rove said, "Conspiracies don't have to be true, they just have to work."

[Oopsie Daisy]

12. What a sad story. This is how the MAGA cult will "die off". Refusing vaccines. Refusing disaster aid *

* it's all a predictable ending for many, isn't it?

[machoneman]

17. Can't happen soon enough! F' them all. dorks.

[niyad]

20. Pity that they are not leaving fast enough.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

56. Quite frankly,

they can't die off soon enough.

[JoseBalow]

63. I'm here for it, and the sooner the better

[birdographer]

68. I was having that exact thought

while reading this thread. They will die off by their own hands, following the words of their dementia-ridden cult leader.

[Ray Bruns]

13. "I don't understand how so many people are under the spell of this freaking con man. I don't understand it"

It’s because Trump is the Antichrist.

https://m.

[SupportSanity]

74. It will be interesting to find out how Putin, Zuckerberg & Trump pulled it off.

[Skittles]

78. Lee Remick's look of horror was crazy good

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. People may not seek FEM aid due to TFG's lies

Link to tweet

[JohnSJ]

15. Thanks

[Orrex]

18. If the kkkultists want to live and die by Reagan's "nine most terrifying words"

Then we should let them do so.

The father-in-law is no different from those ignorant assholes who, dying on respirators, insisted that Covid is a hoax.

Maybe someone can helpfully throw a roll of paper towels at him.

[smb]

82. Someone Who Won't Be Helped Can't Be Helped

[Rhiannon12866]

19. Here's the "Morning Joe" video:

Man says father-in-law refusing 'all FEMA help' because of Trump - Morning Joe - MSNBC
https://www.democraticunderground.com/132132288

[proud patriot]

65. Thank you

[proud patriot]

66. Heartbreaking hearing the pain in his voice

when talking about his dad .

Trump Hurts Americans everyday

Shame on him

[Rhiannon12866]

67. You're very welcome

[PatSeg]

21. Impressive job of transcribing that exchange

Thanks for doing that.

It is so disturbing what that man has done to people.

[nolabear]

24. Stephanie Miller just read this. So sad.

Poor guy. Hell, poor both guys. Being in a cult is pitiable when it kills you.

[mountain grammy]

25. The stupidity is heartbreaking

I'm from the government and I’m here to help. Goddam Reagan for the vilification of these words and of our government and our country.

[Diamond_Dog]

54. I have even heard Democrats snicker at those nine words.

[SupportSanity]

75. Remember, that Reagan was from the government. And.... here we are.

The situation we are currently in. He was part of this.

[mountain grammy]

80. Yes he was

Funny how he got away with that. The cult in the making.

[LaMouffette]

26. There is a peculiar paranoia underlying many of Trump's accusations, which I believe reveals Trump's own secret desires.

In other words, he is projecting—again. When he says that FEMA wants to take their homes, it's like, where the hell did he come up with THAT?! The answer is that that is exactly what Trump and the rest of his greedy clan want to do: swoop in and take their homes, bulldoze them, and build luxury hotels OR homes to rent at outrageous prices the average person cannot afford.

Very similar to another thread today about Trump wanting to build a luxury hotel in Israel and Jared wanting to build in Gaza.

[Monsieur_Grumpe]

27. you tube link

Starts around 1 minute.

?si=wa-QdGlCya7XufQB

[IronLionZion]

28. Trump has lied about everything his whole life

His supporters are screwing themselves by continuing to believe his BS.

[XanaDUer2]

32. God knows how many died from covid

Disinformation. Its a death cult

[brewens]

29. I say push the hell out of that and hope as many MAGAts as possible fall for it. Our people will know better. n/t

[Erda]

30. I saw a press briefing on MSNBC this morning with

Ron DeSanus (sorry for the deliberate typo), and other officials in Florida, on current conditions there in the wake of Hurricane Milton. Every official began comments with profuse, and I mean profuse, thanks to their Gov. dear Leader, with hardly, if any a mention of the role of assistance provided by the federal government or instructions on how to apply for FEMA aid. If this information was provided at the end, I could not say because I turned it off.

It was disgusting.

[XanaDUer2]

31. Sad, but he adores Trump. So, run with that Sir

Best of luck

[LetMyPeopleVote]

33. You can see this segment by going to this link

Link to tweet

[nowforever]

34. Part of issue

When you commit yourself to a person or belief and that allegiance is part of your being, it is very hard to admit this belief or person is a fraud. Then you must also admit you were wrong and for some that is a momentous task. It also means you will lose all those wonderful Trumpet friends. Better to suffer and uphold your allegiance to The Great Smelly Orange One.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

35. North Carolina Man Won't Accept Aid Because Of Trump's FEMA Lies

Link to tweet

[MagickMuffin]

36. Live by the Lie, Die by the Lie

If the FIL doesn’t want to accept help from the government then that is his choice. His right to life. He is choosing poorly, but this is his decision.

So, listen up pops, quit calling your family for help. You have been offered help and your refusal proves that YOU sir do not care for yourself or your family and your making your family suffer because of your willful ignorance and lack of courage to change your way of thinking. I just feel bad for your family but for you sir not so much.

Live by the Lie, Die by the Lie.

[Tadpole Raisin]

37. I would suggest reverse psychology... kinda.

Tell him right now, given his age, location, insurance costs, and anything else the son can think of -
He is already going to lose his home to the bank. It’s a given. Hard stop.

If he takes FEMA help, one of 2 things is going to happen. He loses his home which was going to happen anyway, or he keeps it.

The first scenario allows him to say I told ya so. Unfortunately the 2nd scenario would merit an apology and a thank you which the supporters, like TSF, often cannot/will not say. They’d like to be wrong and suffer rather than admit error.

Still if he has a draining ounce of brain power left he should realize he has nothing to lose. But go ahead and suffer if it makes you (him) happy.

[Playingmantis]

38. Call me heartless but

I hope he loses everything.. There has to be a price paid for being this loyal to such a con man and I hope he never gets a nickel ..

[Bettie]

40. They played it on Stephanie Miller this morning

the frustration and fear for the man's safety came through in his voice.

How DO we deprogram these people? Are the lost forever?

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

71. I'd rather focus on future voters than past their sell by date voters like me

Once a D, always a D. I'd rather have someone who can vote 30 times in their lifetime on our side.

[Wednesdays]

41. It is a cult. They're more than willing to die for their lies.

We saw this during the pandemic where multitudes of them refused vaccines, and then went on to horrific deaths.

[mtngirl47]

42. Trump has exacerbated the issue but I have a brother who rejected help from the government years ago.

My brother's company sold and he was laid off back in 2010. He refused to apply for unemployment because bootstraps! He would not believe me that the employer paid insurance for unemployment.

Fast forward a few years later and he was working gigs and needed health insurance. It was open enrollment for the ACA and I showed him that he could get low-cost health insurance through the exchange....but he wouldn't do it because: Obama.

These people will cut off their nose to spite their face. It's not just Trump---he just picked up the ball that Reagan and Norquist and Gingrich left him and ran with it.

[Raftergirl]

43. Am I supposed to feel bad that this man is suffering because he is an idiot?

[johnnyfins]

84. No, but maybe for the SIL who seems like

He is doing all he can do. At a certain point, the FIL is an adult. He can make his own decision. But don't lay it on the rest of your family because you WON'T see the truth.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

44. The Harris Campaign has retweeted this

Link to tweet

[peggysue2]

45. I can imagine my mother doing the same thing under the circumstances

At the end of her life she was a dedicated Limbaugh ditto head. She would have swallowed the Trump kool-aid willingly because of the mindset she'd drifted into. She would have never listened to me or my sister either. Any mention of her property being threatened (true or not) would have set her off the deep-end.

Trump and his Flying Monkey Brigade will kill their own supporters with this BS.

[DiverDave]

46. Hes afraid they will take

His house? WTF?? I've never heard that one.
What a sickening thing to convince a person about.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

57. This is brand new the last few days.

[diane in sf]

47. He needs major deprogramming, sad!

[Cha]

49. That is Unbearably Pathetic and Criminal of TSF.

And that's what Pres Biden meant by telling TSF to "Get a Life and Help People".

Mahalo for Transcribing for us, John!

Hope it gets Wide Distribution!

[Figarosmom]

51. This is so sad

A beams should have offered someway to help. Maybe taking the county sheriff and a fema rep to the father in law. I know they are really busy but there must be a way. I wonder how many more like this there are

[Jack Valentino]

58. Kicking. Glad this has been on television somewhere...

I read about it this morning in a story off of my newsapp.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

59. I honestly have ZERO sympathy for people like him.

The information is available. Fact-checking is NOT hard to do.

I'm being reminded of the bullshit people put on FB because some insane story (you can survive a heart attack with coughing) somehow seems reasonable. But it's totally 100% made up.

[B.See]

60. Goes to show the level of SICKNESS

afflicting the MAGA cult. Similar to that seen during the pandemic.

When you decide to cause yourself and your loved ones HARM in benevolent obedience to a conniving, lying, pos.

Today I read of how they're now phoning in death threats to meteorologists.

Such is the pestilence of Trump and his MAGATS.

[Ruby the Liberal]

61. Someone posted the audio (Twitter link)

Link to tweet

[Jmb 4 Harris-Walz]

64. FOX has been repeating Trump's lies; they were penalized 787 million already for lying. Why can't the Government

pull their license and take them off the air? And if NEWSMAX (??) (never watched it, never heard of it till recently) is doing the same pull their license as well.

The psychologist that got fired from Yale, Dr. ____ Lee, said that the only way to get these MAGA cult members out from under Trump’s lies is to take away any additional source of repetitive lies… So Trump needs to be confined and prevented from getting any word out to these people.

However, the media (FOX & NEWSMAX) would also need to be muzzled. Not sure how that would be done without just pulling their FCC licenses.

If these lies and Trump worship doesn’t get eliminated (under control), it’ll perpetuate indefinitely.

[birdographer]

70. One way to get out from under trump's lies would be

when trump dies. Sadly, as time goes on, that seems to be yet another consequence of his life that he will never suffer. He's a cockroach, he will survive everything.

[Montauk6]

69. Back when I was "in the life," FEMA was the absolute Devil

A tool of the Iluminati, Masonic Order, Trilateral Commission, Bilderburgers, etc. Setting up FEMA camps to house Americans once their guns were confiscated as their nefarious Black Helicopters soared through the skies.

Yet, years later, what agency works its ass off to try and HELP the very areas that STILL fertilize that sick mentality?

[moniss]

73. Over the many years the willful ignorance of people has

been shown in other ways also. Like people refusing to believe what doctors said about smoking.

[SupportSanity]

76. Doctors used to be in advertisements endorsing cigarette brands.

Doctors were part of the problem. Hard to believe that smoking is bad for you when your doctor recommends it.

[moniss]

83. I'm talking about later on in the '70's and on up even into today.

[Jmb 4 Harris-Walz]

77. Here is a link JohnSJ... if you like, add it to your OP

https://www.youtube.com/live/i0WLRnTVO5k

[YoshidaYui]

81. YOU know this is the PANDEMIC ALL OVER AGAIN....

TRUMP DIDN'T BELIVE IN THE VIRUS, OR THAT IT WAS JUST A COLD, NEVER MIND THE FACT THAT THOUSANDS WERE DYING EACH DAY FROM IT, BECAUSE THEY LISTEN TO TRUMP AND NOT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS.