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Jamesever

(30 posts)
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 03:15 PM Oct 17

Who would Marcus Aurelius vote for?

I just noticed how this guy used his wide influence on YouTube.

A good example for how each of us can DO SOMETHING!

Here's my something today in his comment section.

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ProudMNDemocrat

(19,207 posts)
1. Kamala Harris
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 03:18 PM
Oct 17

She has the 4 chief virtues of a GOOD Leader Marcus Arelius wrote about in Meditations in the 2nd Century.

Fortitude
Wisdom
Temperance
Justice

GB_RN

(3,242 posts)
3. Why Am I Not Surprised...
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 04:09 PM
Oct 17

That Cantaloupe Caligula the Corpulent has none of these traits? (Rhetorical)

In fact, Caligula is the exact opposite of every single one of those.

He’s a wuss. He folds under pressure/adversity. Hell, he’s too much of a coward to even fire someone face-to-face. He either fires someone via Xitter, or has one of his minions do it.

Wisdom? Shit. You have to be intelligent and add experiences to it. And he was never intelligent (one of his professors from Wharton said Caligula was the “dumbest goddamned student” he ever had.

Temperance? Forget it.

Justice? Laughable given his threats to go after political enemies with the DoJ and use the military against protesters.

WarGamer

(15,816 posts)
2. My God. No I won't watch it and give him YT money. It's ahistorical nonsense...illiterate and insulting.
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 03:52 PM
Oct 17

Aurelius wrote extensively about women... he wrote extensively about everything!

Let's start with words from Aurelius himself.

Nowadays, the most simple of the sex , will pretend to wit; and yet the wisest of them swerves from wisdom. They know not how little they know, and how much they are ignorant. They will determine suddenly upon the most arduous matters, as if they'd studied it for a thousand years. Yet if you contradict them in their opinions, they will take you for the very worst of enemies. Bold is the woman who presumes to give advice to a Man, but much bolder, he who thinks fit to take it.

And from Mary Beard... historian extraordinaire...

In the early fourth century BC Aristophanes devoted a whole comedy to the ‘hilarious’ fantasy that women might take over running the state. Part of the joke was that women couldn’t speak properly in public – or rather, they couldn’t adapt their private speech (which in this case was largely fixated on sex) to the lofty idiom of male politics. In the Roman world, Ovid’s Metamorphoses – that extraordinary mythological epic about people changing shape (and probably the most influential work of literature on Western art after the Bible) – repeatedly returns to the idea of the silencing of women in the process of their transformation. Poor Io is turned into a cow by Jupiter, so she cannot talk but only moo.


The content creator could have made a good example using a philosopher other than Aurelius...

But he was stupid to base his video around Aurelius.

Marcus Aurelius... voting for a woman to lead a nation. (Face Palm)

UTUSN

(72,799 posts)
4. Saw a YT video of the wonderful Prof BEARD saying that the current fad of wingnut fawning
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 04:28 PM
Oct 17

over M.Aurelius is silly, that MA spouted "deep" sounding commonplaces.




Beartracks

(13,620 posts)
5. Fascinating observation on the Metamorphoses.
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 04:34 PM
Oct 17

"repeatedly returns to the idea of the silencing of women in the process of their transformation"

Never noticed that as a trend in the stories when I read them many many moons ago.

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librechik

(30,792 posts)
6. A male landowner or the equivalent. That was your choice as a
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 04:43 PM
Oct 17

Greek citizen. Only male citizens were allowed to vote. Just pointing out the obvious. This is why I don't follow most philosophers. They seriously didn't consider women humans until the 20th century. What value are their observations when they ignore half of humanity.? Disappointing.,

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