"$60,000 to bury a fucking Mexican?"

[Stinky The Clown]

Is anyone listening to the Atlantic's story on Nicolle's 5:00 hour? The promise to pay for the funeral of a woman soldier savaged by other soldiers and then saying no when he heard the cost.

The story is in The Atlantic. I am so personally disturbed by this in can barely speak. I hope someone can do a better job of recounting this than I.

I can't even say what I am thinking for fear of saying what I'm thinking.


on edit: here is a link I hope will work

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-military-generals-hitler/680327/

[malaise]

1. Sick fuck

Does not quite describe the CONvicted felon

[Different Drummer]

2. Watching it.

I wish I could say I'm surprised but, considering the source, I'm not.

[raccoon]

3. The POS. Sounds like she was an American citizen. But regardless of that, his remark was despicable

and proves, as if anyone needed any proof, what kind of monster he is.

[Autumn]

6. He offered to pay for her funeral Told the family to send him the bill.

[Wounded Bear]

12. I was surprised to hear Nicole actually read that on the air...

Certainly not surprised that trump would say something like that. Later, she bleeped herself but the first time she just read it right out verbatim, twice, just as he said it.

You go Nicole.

[PJMcK]

53. Two thoughts

First, it's cable TV not broadcast. The rules are laxer. Nicole is an adult as is her audience so they know the words. Her producers probably let her say it at the beginning but later told her to clean it up. By using the words at the top, she brought home the intensity and viciousness of Trump's attitude but then recognized that point had been made so it was unnecessary to keep repeating it.

Second, it's a quote from the Republican candidate for president of all Americans. Trump's language illustrates clearly what he thinks of Mexicans so it is not just news-worthy, it's essential to hear how the candidate really thinks. Trump has been denigrating Mexicans since he came down his fake-gold escalator so I'm still scratching my head that any minority would support this racist clown.

Of course, Trump's racism and misogyny have always been obvious to all of us here on the Left. What has puzzled me these past nine years is that so many people still don't truly see Trump for who he is. They're still being conned. It's either baffling or our country is 25-35% stupid racist trash.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

56. Not just racist, but macho & misogynistic.

Hispanic culture has no less toxic masculinity than the broader culture of this country. Trump being a boastful, loudmouth, nasty, "real man" type appeals to many so strongly that it excuses his racist attacks on Hispanics, even to many Hispanics!

[MaryMagdaline]

4. As if the family hasn't suffered enough

😢😢😢

[appmanga]

5. This poor young lady was murdered and then turned into a campaign prop...

...and, in the end, Trump did what he so often does: he stiffed the people he owed money.

I catch hell in some quarters for saying this, but what he said about John McCain convinced me Trump was a grade-A piece of shit. You could disagree with his politics (I know I did), but to belittle a man who was tortured, held captive in terrible conditions, bur decided to not be used by the Viet Cong by taking advantage of his standing as the son of a Navy bigwig to come home. Trump would have committed treason to get back home.

[markpkessinger]

7. As despicable as Trump's comment was . . .

. . . $60K for a burial -- of anyone -- seems awfully high. When my parents passed in 2000, we gave them each a wake and a funeral, replete with embalming, full burial (which meant concrete vaults and lovely caskets), and military honors for my father, for $8,000 each. We weren't particularly sparing in our choices. Yes, that was 24 years ago, but I seriously doubt the cost has increased over six times since then.

[dpibel]

8. So you're suggesting these evil people

were, indeed, trying to rip off that nice Mr. Trump?

Interesting take.

[markpkessinger]

9. That isn't what I'm saying at all.

Please don't put words in my mouth (or in my fingers, as the case may be). I'm simply saying that the figure seems to be awfully high.

[kcr]

11. I don't think that's what you meant

But you do seem a bit out of touch when it comes to the general prices of things. The prices on lots of things have indeed increased by that much, and more.

[markpkessinger]

13. As a matter of fact . . .

. . . Tomorrow, I am traveling to Erie, PA to attend the funeral/burial of my brother-in-law. My sister told me what the funeral expenses are, and they are nowhere near $60K!

And I'll thank you not to opine as to what I meant. I've just told you what I meant!

[louslobbs]

31. We just paid $16,000 for the funeral services

For my husband’s mother in Boardman, OH. We did it the way she wanted, but I thought that was pretty substantial.

[markpkessinger]

34. Yes, that is substantial . . .

. . . and is still a far cry from $60,000!

[louslobbs]

41. Yes,

It is.

[Captain Zero]

51. pre-planned one a couple years ago. 2600.

$2600 for a cremation and burial of the cremation remains. With a 3 hour calling the evening prior.

(Already had the burial spot)

[markpkessinger]

14. FYI

https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint/life-insurance/how-much-does-a-funeral-cost/

The article presents median prices in various markets. Now, granted, things can be higher or lower in particular markets, but if you think $60,000 is anywhere near a normal price for a funeral/burial, then you're the one who is out of touch!

[markpkessinger]

10. Also, NOWHERE did I remotely suggest that these family members were "evil" or that they were trying to . . .

. . . "rip off that nice Mr. Trump."

More likely, the family itself was ripped off. The funeral industry is known to have its share of shady operators.

That said, it's pocket change to Trump, and if he promised to pay for it, he should have made good on that promise.

Again -- please don't go reading your own words into my post! If you are going to respond, then respond to what I actually said!

[Wiz Imp]

15. I can guarantee you that a funeral in 2024 costs a hell of a lot more than $8000

I'm pretty sure both my parents funerals cost more than $8000 each and they both died in 1988.

[markpkessinger]

16. My brother-in-llaw's is costing a little over $12k n/t

[Wiz Imp]

19. My Aunt's funeral was the last one I had to deal with and that was 17 years ago. I don't remember the final cost

but I know it was over $10,000. I guess funeral costs can vary significantly in different parts of the country.

[markpkessinger]

20. I have procided stats ..,

https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint/life-insurance/how-much-does-a-funeral-cost/

Can you do yhe same?

[Wiz Imp]

30. I have seen numbers online and heard numbers on TV commercials for life insurance

All I can say is when I've had to pay for funerals (all of which were a long time ago), they cost more than any current average estimate I've ever seen online or heard on TV. It wasn't really my money being spent on the funerals but it would have been nice if they weren't so expensive - I don't know why but they were. Anyway, I have no plans to call a local funeral home to get a cost estimate now - it's just not that important to me.

Oh, just in case you thought the response in Post #11 was from me, it wasn't me even though I use the same Avatar as that person.

[IbogaProject]

47. Two possibilities

One the funeral home wildly overcharged. Second not exclusive possibility is they threw a large funeral event. They may have expended more thinking that "billionaire" would pay them back. I feel bad for them and am angry but you have to be stupid or support him to not realize his word is totally worthless. He routinely breaks written contracts I'd be surprised he honored his word very often if ever.

[JustAnotherGen]

25. Oh i- it has increased

With military pomp and circumstance - my dad's funeral was 12K in 2011.

We buried my mom in June - and she was very clear: simple funeral but a party afterwards. Simple funeral was 17K.

Party was a different beast - buy yeah. Its pricey.

[Ocelot II]

29. The actual amount is beside the point.

It’s probably on the high side for an ordinary funeral but this one would have involved full military honors, etc. and he said he’d pay for it. Period. $60k is pocket change for a billionaire, and if she hadn’t been “a f****ing Mexican” would he have complained? The main point is that he didn’t think she was worth an expensive funeral because she was of Mexican heritage.

[70sEraVet]

36. And perhaps it was a large family that had travel costs, and they thought....

those costs were being covered by a 'generous' 'billionaire' (I put both words in quotes, because neither word seems to be a correct description).

[Tree Lady]

44. yes they probably gave him a better

funeral thinking it was paid. what a ass!

I was driving through the mountains on the way home from CA listening to her show today. I seldom listen to radio anymore and we don't have cable, but do have Sirius in car.

[Deuxcents]

39. Absolutely. I'm sure it was a military funeral with honors. The point is..he politicized her passing

And was a big man before the election to offer to pay for her funeral but once elected, she’s just a … Mexican. TSF has no bottom to his character as he’s unable or unwilling to feel or express humanity.

[SaintLouisBlues]

54. Mexicans spend a lot of money on funerals if they can afford it, including

nine days of mourning gatherings after the burial.

[BadgerMom]

17. It turns my stomach and makes me so very angry.

Again.

[not fooled]

18. Even if red don wanted to dispute the cost of the funeral

he didn't have to bring race into it.

That's the offensive part.


And, I hope hispanics who are planning to vote for him hear what he said and try to reconcile the racism with their support for him.

[oasis]

35. This will spread throughout the Latino community

like wildfire.
October surprise!!!

[Botany]

52. Way to go to shore up the Latino vote. (except the Cuban Community) Just like the Haitian vote.

The man is looking @ a world class ass kicking.

60,000 $ to bury a fucking Mexican?

[mountain grammy]

55. Exactly!

Had the funeral been for a white male soldier I believe his reaction would have been different.

[kimbutgar]

21. What's so sick is those magaloons will never hear that story.

[JHB]

22. Didn't watch it, but did read the article about an hour ago

Glad it's getting some play in front of cameras.

[dalton99a]

23. Kick

In the meeting, Trump maintained a dignified posture and expressed sympathy to Guillén’s mother. “I saw what happened to your daughter Vanessa, who was a spectacular person, and respected and loved by everybody, including in the military,” Trump said. Later in the conversation, he made a promise: “If I can help you out with the funeral, I’ll help—I’ll help you with that,” he said. “I’ll help you out. Financially, I’ll help you.”

In an Oval Office meeting on December 4, 2020, officials gathered to discuss a separate national-security issue. Toward the end of the discussion, Trump asked for an update on the McCarthy investigation. Christopher Miller, the acting secretary of defense (Trump had fired his predecessor, Mark Esper, three weeks earlier, writing in a tweet, “Mark Esper has been terminated”), was in attendance, along with Miller’s chief of staff, Kash Patel. At a certain point, according to two people present at the meeting, Trump asked, “Did they bill us for the funeral? What did it cost?”

According to attendees, and to contemporaneous notes of the meeting taken by a participant, an aide answered: Yes, we received a bill; the funeral cost $60,000.

Trump became angry. “It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican!” He turned to his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and issued an order: “Don’t pay it!” Later that day, he was still agitated. “Can you believe it?” he said, according to a witness. “Fucking people, trying to rip me off.”

Khawam, the family attorney, told me she sent the bill to the White House, but no money was ever received by the family from Trump. Some of the costs, Khawam said, were covered by the Army (which offered, she said, to allow Guillén to be buried at Arlington National Cemetery) and some were covered by donations. Ultimately, Guillén was buried in Houston.

[gab13by13]

28. Important fact

TSF invited the family to the White House which was televised, which was right before the election.

The later meeting was after he lost the election and then he ordered not to pay for the funeral.

It was all about the optics to get elected.

[Wiz Imp]

32. The fact that the family maintains a high opinion of Trump after how he treated them is absolutely sickening.

I guess I'll never understand how the brain of a cult member works.

[Evolve Dammit]

24. Hitler's generals would agree

[Sneederbunk]

26. Doesn't bother his base at all.

[Blue Owl]

27. Fuck the tRump campaign and everything it stands for

Goddamn them all to the firery depths of hell

[brush]

33. Please let this racist remark of trump's go viral. Latino men need to hear this.

[oasis]

37. Latino community network got Coors Beer

company to bow down over 30 years ago, and that was before the emergence of today’s social media boom.

[brush]

40. Refresh me. What was the issue?

[oasis]

42. Coor's discriminatory hiring practices, coupled

with the Coors family’s active opposition to the United Farm Workers.

[brush]

46. Yes, I remember now. Cesar Chavez and the UAW. I was in California when the grape boycott was in effect...

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Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta.

[iluvtennis]

38. DonOLD TSF said, we know he said it...that's who he is. n/t

[progressoid]

43. CNN is covering it too.

Gosh I wonder if Fox is covering it

[peggysue2]

45. Thanks for the link to the Atlantic article

Hadn't read that before. It's absolutely scathing and much deserved.

Donald Trump is an ignorant pig!

[summer_in_TX]

48. The title is so ugly. I know he is quoted as saying that. But I understand the hurt its causing our

Latino DU members. I wish it were more buried in the body, because I can tell some are genuinely upset seeing it in the headlines.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

49. I'm sure it didn't cost $60,000 to bury ivana at a golf course.

And it doesn't cost $6 to maintain the site.

[Dorian Gray]

50. If our country actually votes this lunatic back into office

we will deserve the chaos he creates.

After this election, I'm going back to local action and local focus. I can't anymore with the assholes who would be okay with this man leading this country.