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Dennis Donovan

(27,401 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 10:49 AM Oct 25

Johnson + McConnell call on VP Harris to stop calling Trump a fascist

Steve Benen
In case this isn't obvious:
- Trump has labeled Harris a "fascist" many times, prompting no response from Johnson and McConnell
- It was former members of Trump's own team who took the lead in labeling him a "fascist"
- Are Dems supposed to pretend this isn't a real issue?

Burgess Everett
10m
Johnson + McConnell release joint statement saying they've been briefed on threats to Trump, call on VP Harris "to take these threats seriously, stop escalating the threat environment"

’"Labeling a political opponent as a ‘fascist,’ risks inviting yet another would-be assassin"

11:43 AM · Oct 25, 2024


He's a goddamned fascist!! What are you supposed to call him, "nazi-curious"?




Eric Columbus
Funny how Johnson and McConnell had no concerns when Trump called Harris a fascist multiple times in September (per @atrupar videos) and said in May that we live in a "fascist state." ¯_(ツ _/¯

Burgess Everett
32m
Johnson + McConnell release joint statement saying they've been briefed on threats to Trump, call on VP Harris "to take these threats seriously, stop escalating the threat environment"

’"Labeling a political opponent as a ‘fascist,’ risks inviting yet another would-be assassin"
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11:50 AM · Oct 25, 2024




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Johnson + McConnell call on VP Harris to stop calling Trump a fascist (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Oct 25 OP
His own former Chief of Staff says he's a fascist. Ocelot II Oct 25 #1
That is probably the best response. Prof. Toru Tanaka Oct 25 #7
Exactly. Magoo48 Oct 25 #88
Silencing critcism based on false flags pinned on opponents... CNYHarris Oct 25 #112
And the fact that for the past 10 years they've been calling Democrats PEDOPHILES and cannibals and BComplex Oct 25 #113
Hey Mike and Mitch, no_hypocrisy Oct 25 #2
that felon bdamomma Oct 25 #18
What a couple of numb nuts. Magoo48 Oct 25 #91
This is their monster. madaboutharry Oct 25 #3
there is a place waiting for The Turtle in The Ninth Ring of Hell verargert Oct 25 #64
Fuck them newdeal2 Oct 25 #4
Fugg that malaise Oct 25 #5
All the assassins are trumpers... lame54 Oct 25 #6
So they are not denying Trump is a fascist. Freethinker65 Oct 25 #8
JD Vance is out there calling Harris a threat to democracy Docreed2003 Oct 25 #9
That's like telling us not to say the sky is blue. TwilightZone Oct 25 #10
Don't Look Up. lindysalsagal Oct 25 #23
Sometimes the word is just appropriate. Poiuyt Oct 25 #11
Like I've said before ScratchCat Oct 25 #12
Turtle & Geezus are afraid Dems will sprint down the stretch bucolic_frolic Oct 25 #13
Okay, then. We'll start calling him a nazi. Hugin Oct 25 #14
Dear Mitch & Mike gohuskies Oct 25 #15
Fuck them bdamomma Oct 25 #16
Hypocrisy is their thing. Much like lying, just part of being a republican. Solly Mack Oct 25 #17
Oh yeah musclecar6 Oct 25 #19
For decades the GOP has called Dems Socialists and Communists Raven123 Oct 25 #20
Yeah...what is the problem? PortTack Oct 25 #34
right-- she should instead call Trump an "Un-American fascist and dictator wannabee" andym Oct 25 #21
This indicates the label has reached damaging saturation point. Imagine, someone other than tscf branding people lindysalsagal Oct 25 #22
Umm.... ProfessorGAC Oct 25 #24
Harris is being far too kind with her words; in my opinion... EarthFirst Oct 25 #25
Don't forget rapist durablend Oct 25 #52
Cry harder, fascists. Basso8vb Oct 25 #26
Someone should count the number of times Trump has employed extreme rhetoric against Harris, Democrats, the press PA Democrat Oct 25 #27
The attack on Paul Pelosi was an assassination attempt. What rhetoric caused that? Walleye Oct 25 #54
You voted to find him innocent of the Jan. 6 insurrection, then nominated him LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 25 #74
Sure, fascist enablers. BeyondGeography Oct 25 #28
Johnson + McConnell are fascists. dalton99a Oct 25 #29
Too many definitions Baggies Oct 25 #30
Retired four star general John Kelly used the Tweedy Oct 25 #37
I question the effectiveness Baggies Oct 25 #116
? John Kelly chose to go public Tweedy Oct 25 #125
Try this, then. mwb970 Oct 25 #100
Wow. That is some granular definition - and frighteningly accurate Raven123 Oct 25 #109
Well, McConnell can shove Johnson The Unmitigated Gall Oct 25 #31
The G.O.P. war on truth marches onward BoRaGard Oct 25 #32
Always two sets of rules...f..k that! Did they call on Gen Milley or tfg chief of staff to not call him a fascist? PortTack Oct 25 #33
These men who have bent the knee so hard they can no longer stand Tweedy Oct 25 #35
She is quoting his Chief of Staff and other credible REPUBLICANS you jackasses. If it walks like a fascist, talks like JohnSJ Oct 25 #36
The better solution is for him not to be a fascist, I would think. nt Gore1FL Oct 25 #38
It is what it is, boys. dchill Oct 25 #39
Hey boys, you broke it, you bought it Wild blueberry Oct 25 #40
Well, fuck Johnson and McConnell milestogo Oct 25 #41
Johnson and McConnell can cram it. Mr. Jinx Oct 25 #42
McConnell and Johnson have a fascist agenda GoodRaisin Oct 25 #43
Truth hurts Maeve Oct 25 #44
Their hypocrisy is a thing to behold. wryter2000 Oct 25 #45
Dear Mitch and porn king, take your fascist, child rape supporting ass the fuck out of here. onecaliberal Oct 25 #46
Those who defend fascists are as guilty as the fascists they defend. nt eppur_se_muova Oct 25 #47
Republican leaders should tell Trump to stop BEING A FASCIST Martin Eden Oct 25 #48
Both of you teeny tiny dicks Aviation Pro Oct 25 #49
Next they'll demand we stop calling water "wet." NNadir Oct 25 #50
Worried about down-ballot, are we? Kid Berwyn Oct 25 #51
KnR Coexist Oct 25 #53
Write the terrapin Macrophylla Oct 25 #55
johnson and McCON can't handle the truth, they are facists too Clouds Passing Oct 25 #56
What do they say to trump when he calls her a Marxist Communist? LoisB Oct 25 #57
Third time's the charm - happy hunting Drummer1 Oct 25 #58
They are fascists too & I hope she points that out. nt TBF Oct 25 #59
I think we should all call McConnell and Johnson Fascists, after all if you support one you must be one. Bev54 Oct 25 #60
Every "would-be assassin" of Trump's has been a Republican. Grins Oct 25 #61
Not only that, Trump is lying about it CNYHarris Oct 25 #119
Whatever, Mike/Mitch. Look up "Fascist" and You'll Find That the Orange Don Fits the Description to a Tee. The_Counsel Oct 25 #62
If the shoe fits. Klarkashton Oct 25 #63
"The futility of pointing out the blatant hypocrisy from the Trump GOP..." William Seger Oct 25 #65
First amendment assholes. Go pound salt. Hotler Oct 25 #66
Fk them. GOP needs to manager their candidate and get him to stop saying fascist shit. And when will TSF iluvtennis Oct 25 #67
Time for everyone to refer to the GOP as the American Fascist Party. Jirel Oct 25 #68
Fuck 3auld6phart Oct 25 #69
Well,how about the term Anti-Christ? BattleRow Oct 25 #70
Goddamn these people are enraging. The worst motherfuckers I've seen in all my years. LymphocyteLover Oct 25 #71
Piss.Up.A.Rope.Fascists. nt Javaman Oct 25 #72
Political Speech is the free-est speech of all. They can go fuck themselves if they dont have a decent counter argument. Volaris Oct 25 #73
Classic misogyny on display. littlemissmartypants Oct 25 #75
And what about the names TSF calls VP Harris? greatauntoftriplets Oct 25 #76
Free speech for me but not for thee...... Lovie777 Oct 25 #77
If the jackboots fit, wear them! GreenWave Oct 25 #78
"Autocrat"? maxsolomon Oct 25 #79
No, If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a fucking duck. Deal with it. catbyte Oct 25 #80
F(orget) You MattNC2021 Oct 25 #81
Peepaw is a fascist. Those other MAGAt 2 jackasses are no better IMO. 634-5789 Oct 25 #82
If you support a fascist 3825-87867 Oct 25 #83
Yeah, get back to me when trump stops his adolescent name-calling... Wounded Bear Oct 25 #84
History will not be kind to McConnell and Johnson Dem4life1970 Oct 25 #85
Worry about your Candidate! BootinUp Oct 25 #86
LOLZ. No. Gaytano70 Oct 25 #87
Oh so now the fascists are offended? The entire party let themselves be subsumed by a dictator-wanabe who says the most onetexan Oct 25 #89
Fuck those two fascists for supporting a fascist candidate for president. SamKnause Oct 25 #90
Un-freaking real. What hollow, stupid men Evolve Dammit Oct 25 #92
Based on what reasoning, I wonder? DFW Oct 25 #93
Let's count all the things Trump has done, and is doing, to destroy this country. Dem2theMax Oct 25 #94
Who are they to tell Harris what to say? NameAlreadyTaken Oct 25 #95
How about if trump stops calling Democrats "radical leftist lunatics"? mwb970 Oct 25 #96
Please don't call our Nazi-loving authoritarian psychopath... GiqueCee Oct 25 #97
Must be working BadgerMom Oct 25 #98
How about "Cognitively Impaired Dictatorial Menace With Delusions of Godhood"? dsharp88 Oct 25 #99
So they admit T's rhetoric could incite violence ? IbogaProject Oct 25 #101
That's rich! LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 25 #102
False flag tactics to defend Trump CNYHarris Oct 25 #103
MAGA 100% fake victimhood CNYHarris Oct 25 #104
Never mind that the manics are magas. Details details. Klarkashton Oct 25 #105
Don't do as I do Farmer-Rick Oct 25 #106
Can someone please tell me when Moscow Mitch gets back? Omnipresent Oct 25 #107
What bullshit. spanone Oct 25 #108
"Would-be assassin..." Utter bullshit. His "assassins" were Republicans. live love laugh Oct 25 #110
Well Mitch and Mike, play stupid games, win stupid prizes LW1977 Oct 25 #111
If he oinks like one C_U_L8R Oct 25 #114
SHUT UP you Fucking Fascists, Johnson & McConnell! Cha Oct 25 #115
Oh STFU you two Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 25 #117
Have they ever called on Trump to stop his bullshit lies and his laughing at attacks, like the one Sogo Oct 25 #118
Thoughts and Prayers bitches!! nt Persondem Oct 25 #120
Johnson and McConnell are unaware of the Streisand Effect. PurgedVoter Oct 25 #121
Both Mitchie and Mikey can SHUT THE FUCK UP! ProudMNDemocrat Oct 25 #122
They need to shut the fuck up Dem4life1234 Oct 25 #123
"No" Swede Oct 25 #124
johnson and mcconnell should focus on the work we pay them to do. Think. Again. Oct 25 #126
Sounds like Johnson + McConnell are getting a little desperate. OnDoutside Oct 25 #127
Moscow Mitch and MAGAt Mullah Mike can crawl back into the sewers from which they came. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 25 #128
For Moscow Mike and Mitch: F off! IzzaNuDay Oct 25 #129
Mikey and the Turtle BigMin28 Oct 25 #130
Mr. trump and your two ass kissing friends kacekwl Oct 25 #131
Jake Tapper destroys this stupid talking point LetMyPeopleVote Oct 26 #132
Jake Tapper destroys this stupid talking point LetMyPeopleVote Oct 26 #133
These RW SOB's wrote the book on hypocrisy. Emile Oct 28 #134

Ocelot II

(121,473 posts)
1. His own former Chief of Staff says he's a fascist.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 10:51 AM
Oct 25

Don't like being called a fascist? Don't be a fascist.

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,363 posts)
7. That is probably the best response.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 10:55 AM
Oct 25

Nothing vulgar or nasty about it, just the straight up truth.

CNYHarris

(30 posts)
112. Silencing critcism based on false flags pinned on opponents...
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:55 PM
Oct 25

is a tactic of Nazis.

j/s

MAGA has gone full blown Nazi.

Silencing criticism is the final symptom of Nazism. MAGA is 100% Nazi.

Is Trump gonna to hire a Democrat for the next fake victimhood event. Dump is obviously planning another fake victimhood event.

BComplex

(9,154 posts)
113. And the fact that for the past 10 years they've been calling Democrats PEDOPHILES and cannibals and
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:08 PM
Oct 25

rapists...they don't think that's what lead to school shootings, El Paso Walmart, Las Vegas concert, Grocery stores in New York?

Are they JUST NOW recognizing that saying horrible things about people leads to people with guns going all vigilante?

Are they really that so self-absorbed that they don't see what the words from THEIR side has brought on this nation?

no_hypocrisy

(49,194 posts)
2. Hey Mike and Mitch,
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 10:52 AM
Oct 25

what about telling Your Boy to stop calling the Vice President a socialist, communist, AND a fascist.

bdamomma

(66,720 posts)
18. that felon
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:09 AM
Oct 25

called her stupid, and she was a shit VP. Hmm....his McConnell and Johnson cult congress can eff off!!!!!

Magoo48

(5,536 posts)
91. What a couple of numb nuts.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:17 PM
Oct 25

They’ve been following the Orange One around for years kissing his formidable ass every time he bends over. So, fascist see, fascist do.

Freethinker65

(11,165 posts)
8. So they are not denying Trump is a fascist.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 10:56 AM
Oct 25

They just don't want anything bad to happen to Trump before he can carry out some of his purge plans, sell some National secrets and public resources, pardon himself/family/friends, then hand what is left to JD Vance and Vance's think tank handlers.

Docreed2003

(17,880 posts)
9. JD Vance is out there calling Harris a threat to democracy
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 10:56 AM
Oct 25

Where are the calls for him to "tone it down"? If Trumo doesn't want to be called a fascist, perhaps he shouldn't act so much like a fucking fascist!

ScratchCat

(2,470 posts)
12. Like I've said before
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 10:57 AM
Oct 25

With Trump in full breakdown mode, they are going to try to ride "Trump The Victim" all the way to the finish line. They'd be hilarious if this weren't so pathetic. What they really mean is "stop pointing out things we can't defend".

gohuskies

(1,186 posts)
15. Dear Mitch & Mike
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:05 AM
Oct 25

Go Eff Yourselves. You are both complicit with the attempted treason upon the nation

bdamomma

(66,720 posts)
16. Fuck them
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:06 AM
Oct 25

both McConnell and Johnson, I guess they don't like the truth. Oh, they must have some big donor money coming in if that felon steals the election. Such bastards, the truth is hard to take.

musclecar6

(1,884 posts)
19. Oh yeah
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:13 AM
Oct 25


That’s exactly what Kamala should do. Stop calling him a fascist and instead just call him a modern day Adolf Hitler. That way there won’t be any misunderstanding and the voters will know exactly who he is. Of course some of them are so fucking stupid, they wouldn’t even know who Hitler was and that we fought a war over that son of a bitch back in the day.

The good news is if you label him Adolf Hitler, they won’t have to try and figure out what a fascist is because that would be way too far for most of these dumb fucks.

Raven123

(6,154 posts)
20. For decades the GOP has called Dems Socialists and Communists
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:14 AM
Oct 25

So what’s the problem now? It’s not escalation of the threat environment they are worried about. It’s the fact that they themselves are being exposed as the threat with pinpoint accuracy.

lindysalsagal

(22,446 posts)
22. This indicates the label has reached damaging saturation point. Imagine, someone other than tscf branding people
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:22 AM
Oct 25

with labels? Only he's allowed to do that in their reality, earth 2.

This is good news. It means it's working. I was hoping they'd fight back.

EarthFirst

(3,198 posts)
25. Harris is being far too kind with her words; in my opinion...
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:25 AM
Oct 25

He’d be the Nazi Fuck if I had the opportunity,

PA Democrat

(13,343 posts)
27. Someone should count the number of times Trump has employed extreme rhetoric against Harris, Democrats, the press
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:26 AM
Oct 25

and other Americans opposed to him.

I've heard him call people on the above list

Marxist
Communist
Comrade
Fascist
the Enemy Within
Vermin
Socialist

Trump has also directly advocated using violence against and imprisonment of his perceived enemies. He has called for silencing media that dares to do honest reporting.

Johnson and McConnell have done NOTHING to try to reign in their party's candidate even after he invoked a violent insurrection to overturn a free and fair election.

They can go straight to hell.

74. You voted to find him innocent of the Jan. 6 insurrection, then nominated him
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:44 PM
Oct 25

to be your party's standard bearer for this election.

If you didn't want your party's nominee to be labeled as a fascist, maybe you should not have nominated one for president.

Baggies

(666 posts)
30. Too many definitions
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:29 AM
Oct 25

Ask 10 people on the street to define the word and get 10 different answers. I don’t believe I’ve seen 2 on this site that even match each other. It’s become a word where the meaning is all over the map.

Tweedy

(1,220 posts)
37. Retired four star general John Kelly used the
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:42 AM
Oct 25

textbook definition of fascism and demonstrated how easily that definition fit Mr. Trump.

Don’t let the gop doublespeak confuse you. Words do still have their meanings.

Baggies

(666 posts)
116. I question the effectiveness
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:14 PM
Oct 25

I am not convinced, nor can I be, that people at this point don’t already know for whom who they are going to vote. Sure there’s some, but the number is so insignificant as to be invisible. Trump is a known entity. Those who aren’t going to vote for him, won’t. Those who are, will. I doubt this will have any effect.

But the campaign has chosen this path. We’ll see where it leads.

Tweedy

(1,220 posts)
125. ? John Kelly chose to go public
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 05:17 PM
Oct 25

and VP Harris answered Jake Tapper’s question.

I am not sure to what path you are referring ?

Looks like to me the campaign is stressing Mr. Trump’s instability and general lack of stamina and substance. I think that is a great reminder for anyone who has forgotten that the only thing Mr. Trump’s presidency got for the United States was the most dead from Covid.

Don’t let Mike Johnson and Mitch McConnell’s cosplaying nonsense disturb your day! This campaign is darn near flawless imho. The campaign’s excellence reflects wonderfully well on VP Harris’ judgment, discernment and organizational skills.

Moreover, the Vice President achieved this excellence in less time than any campaign any of us have witnessed. You might say, Kamala Harris managed beautifully in high heels while dancing backwards 😉

Have a less stressful, wonderful Friday

mwb970

(11,717 posts)
100. Try this, then.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:29 PM
Oct 25
Lawrence W. Britt: 14 Characteristics of Fascism

Can you find any of these 14 points that does not perfectly describe trump and his army of MAGA morons?

BoRaGard

(3,157 posts)
32. The G.O.P. war on truth marches onward
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:35 AM
Oct 25

No doubt with help from their "non'fascist" russian collaborators.

PortTack

(34,830 posts)
33. Always two sets of rules...f..k that! Did they call on Gen Milley or tfg chief of staff to not call him a fascist?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:38 AM
Oct 25

Tweedy

(1,220 posts)
35. These men who have bent the knee so hard they can no longer stand
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:40 AM
Oct 25

Need to take their argument to Mr. Trump. He is the one whose actions and words caused his own former political appointees to detail how and why Mr. Trump is, in fact, a fascist.

Messieurs McConnell and Johnson might also sit Mr. Trump down and school him about our country. Tell him how we changed, and continue to change, the world for the better.

They will not, though. They are too busy scraping the floor walking backwards treating Mr. Trump like the golden calf.

I guess they missed that the only thing Mr. Trump won while he was our abusive president was the most deaths from Covid.

Missing their spines these sycophants are.

JohnSJ

(96,810 posts)
36. She is quoting his Chief of Staff and other credible REPUBLICANS you jackasses. If it walks like a fascist, talks like
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:41 AM
Oct 25

a fascist, its a fascist.

Wild blueberry

(7,271 posts)
40. Hey boys, you broke it, you bought it
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:49 AM
Oct 25

You've enabled this fascist for years. You own the destruction of your former party (now d.b.a. MAGA Death Cult).
We're not going to let you destroy our country.
Donald is a fascist. You know it.

Mr. Jinx

(1,370 posts)
42. Johnson and McConnell can cram it.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:52 AM
Oct 25

tRump can say anything he wants, not a peep out of the GOP leadership.

VP Harris speaks up about the threat her opponent poses to the country, the GOP leadership has something to say.

The GOP's cowardice and psychological discomfort like this is why we're in this position right now.

GoodRaisin

(9,634 posts)
43. McConnell and Johnson have a fascist agenda
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:53 AM
Oct 25

Maybe she needs to add that to her comments too. Their whole party has a fascist agenda.

Martin Eden

(13,560 posts)
48. Republican leaders should tell Trump to stop BEING A FASCIST
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:01 PM
Oct 25

Last edited Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Better yet, EXPEL ALL FASCISTS from the Republican Party!

Or would that reduce their numbers below the threshold for a quorum when Congress is in session??

Macrophylla

(150 posts)
55. Write the terrapin
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:11 PM
Oct 25

And request that he stops supporting and enabling facists. Request that he get the republican caucus to stop enabling and supporting facists.
Provide him the definition of the word followed by supporting examples.

Bev54

(11,940 posts)
60. I think we should all call McConnell and Johnson Fascists, after all if you support one you must be one.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:21 PM
Oct 25

CNYHarris

(30 posts)
119. Not only that, Trump is lying about it
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:16 PM
Oct 25
?feature=shared&t=301

"Just asking questions!"... as the media says

If Trump is lying about the first event, then the whole thing must be suspect as a lie.

The secret service let the assassination happen.



The same secret service that tried to drive away pence from the Capitol so Grassley could send the election decision to the House for Biden to lose. The same Secret Service that deleted their texts to hide their participation in 1/6. The Secret Service are pro-Republican. Didn't Major Biden know the Secret Service hates Democrats. "I am just asking questions"

The shooter's family were on the literal database Trump held.



If the first one was staged, then the second one was likely staged. Then the 2nd dude wrote a letter apologizing for a failed attempt way before the encounter in Florida. In the letter, this Republican operative calls for more violence, which is exactly what Trump wants, to be perceived as the fake victim to silence criticism of MAGA and Trump as "incitement to assassination". The Republicans have the new enemy - the enemy within. And have their new 9/11 - the fake assassinations. And if you criticize the "Dear Leader", you are the domestic terrorist and enemy. This MAGA Trumpism is Nazism. This is what the Nazis did. Trump is a Nazi. MAGA is America's Nazi Party.

The_Counsel

(1,744 posts)
62. Whatever, Mike/Mitch. Look up "Fascist" and You'll Find That the Orange Don Fits the Description to a Tee.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:23 PM
Oct 25

...and invoking the assassination angle only shows us their cards. The whole point of shooting at him in the first place was to scare folks off of calling him what he is. They've been tryin to blame anti-Trump rhetoric ever since that stupid day in July. That guy had a clear shot at his fat head and only grazed his ear? I call BS. That was planned.

I said it back when it happened: Years from now we'll get the whole truth. Whether it'll be too late will be up to us.

William Seger

(11,113 posts)
65. "The futility of pointing out the blatant hypocrisy from the Trump GOP..."
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:24 PM
Oct 25

...is evidence of a creeping fascism."

From Hypocrisy to Fascism: https://thevimblog.com/2018/08/07/hypocrisy-to-fascism/


...
A feature of fascism is its incoherence and internal inconsistency.

As Stanley points out, fascist campaigns are corrupt to their core and yet run on anti-corruption messaging. They appeal to the dominant group by depicting the group as victims. A fascist speaks for the whole and yet doesn’t care about others, as Albright says. Arendt notices the tension too: a fascist campaign is a non-movement movement. (She also discusses the incoherence of totalitarianism.) “The enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak,” says Umberto Eco in an influential piece. Adorno discusses the different irrationalities in fascism and its propaganda. See also note 1 of “History: a Retro Scenario” in Jean Baudrillard’s Simulacra and Simulation.

The incoherence of fascism has implications for what I am doing here. Understanding fascism requires recognizing the futility of the task—because our notion of understanding, with its reliance on certain logical rules and operations, becomes political under fascism. A coherent picture of fascism is only possible within fascism. From the outside we can only understand that fascism is internally inconsistent. So we must be aware of the self-referential point: the fact that fascism is incoherent has implications for how we go about defining it. It also has implications for how we interact with fascists.

Now how does this relate to hypocrisy?

Hypocrisy is Inconsistency

Hypocrisy is acting in a way that is inconsistent with one’s principles. The Trump era has been an unceasing process of confronting inconsistency and incoherence.


I believe that the GOP has simply discovered that hypocrisy is a great gaslighting tool.

iluvtennis

(20,948 posts)
67. Fk them. GOP needs to manager their candidate and get him to stop saying fascist shit. And when will TSF
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:31 PM
Oct 25

stop calling Kamala:

* low IQ
* dumb as a rock
* a communist
* Comrade Kamala
* Border Czar
* etc
* etc

Jirel

(2,259 posts)
68. Time for everyone to refer to the GOP as the American Fascist Party.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:33 PM
Oct 25

All rethuglicans, the party, all of them. We should no longer use the term "GOP." We MUST call them what they are, every day, everywhere that people will see it.

BattleRow

(1,256 posts)
70. Well,how about the term Anti-Christ?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:35 PM
Oct 25

Surprisingly,that is what I overheard a few days ago in
a checkout line.

Volaris

(10,645 posts)
73. Political Speech is the free-est speech of all. They can go fuck themselves if they dont have a decent counter argument.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:44 PM
Oct 25

Last edited Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:19 PM - Edit history (1)

(Hint--they don't, because it's hard to argue with the facts), so they think they're whining and their butt-hurt are a sufficient counter.
Again. They can go fuck themselves.

littlemissmartypants

(25,892 posts)
75. Classic misogyny on display.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:48 PM
Oct 25

Johnson and McConnell need to sit the f^ck down and shut the f^ck up.

Nobody wants to hear from you woman hating asses, Mitch and Mikey. The days of thinking that you can tell women to sit down and shut up are over.

maxsolomon

(35,358 posts)
79. "Autocrat"?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:01 PM
Oct 25

That's probably fine because Americans don't know what it means.

They ALSO don't know what Fascist means.

3825-87867

(1,152 posts)
83. If you support a fascist
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:06 PM
Oct 25

I'm pretty sure you are one yourself. How about it Mitch and Mike? Are you fascists?

Gaytano70

(1,207 posts)
87. LOLZ. No.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:12 PM
Oct 25

Bless yer hearts. You are 2 millimeters away from being nazis your damn selves, M & M!

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
89. Oh so now the fascists are offended? The entire party let themselves be subsumed by a dictator-wanabe who says the most
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:16 PM
Oct 25

vile things about Americans, uses Hitler language and talks of suspending the constitution for him to consolidate power to go after his detractors.
Too bad chumps, we're calling the fascist for who he is.

DFW

(56,895 posts)
93. Based on what reasoning, I wonder?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:19 PM
Oct 25

Besides, Republicans don’t consider that a derogatory term anyway. Half of them consider it a compliment, and the other half don’t have the slightest idea what the word means in the first place.

Dem2theMax

(10,405 posts)
94. Let's count all the things Trump has done, and is doing, to destroy this country.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:21 PM
Oct 25

I can't count that high.

Not a peep out of Johnson and McConnell for all of the destruction, and death, (Covid,) that Trump has caused.

Saying you want to be a dictator pretty much puts you in fascist territory.

Again, not a peep out of Johnson and McConnell.

Saying you want to eliminate the Constitution. . .

Again, not a peep.

Johnson & McConnell, I cannot say what I'm thinking.

mwb970

(11,717 posts)
96. How about if trump stops calling Democrats "radical leftist lunatics"?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:22 PM
Oct 25

Of course, he has repeatedly called Harris a Fascist, as well as a communist and a socialist. He also says that Democrats are "evil".

We'll stop calling him a Fascist when he stops being a Fascist.

GiqueCee

(1,512 posts)
97. Please don't call our Nazi-loving authoritarian psychopath...
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:22 PM
Oct 25

... a fascist, regardless of how many times he's called you a fascist. It hurts our fee-wings.

Permit me to suggest that you both commit physically impossible acts of penetration upon yourselves. Repeatedly and with vigor, you repulsive worms.

dsharp88

(514 posts)
99. How about "Cognitively Impaired Dictatorial Menace With Delusions of Godhood"?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:25 PM
Oct 25

That's equally accurate.

IbogaProject

(3,776 posts)
101. So they admit T's rhetoric could incite violence ?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:29 PM
Oct 25

Last edited Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Thanks for admitting that GOP leaders.

102. That's rich!
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:31 PM
Oct 25

Don't they have more constructive things to do, like packing up their offices for moving out after they're voted out Nov. 5?

CNYHarris

(30 posts)
103. False flag tactics to defend Trump
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:34 PM
Oct 25

Fake victimhood is the only thing Dump has to attempt to silence criticism.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3327743

Is Trump going to stage another fake assassination if Trump is continually called a Nazi.

CNYHarris

(30 posts)
104. MAGA 100% fake victimhood
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:39 PM
Oct 25
The Grand Old Party of Crybabies

How Republicans embraced the victimhood mythology they once denounced.


https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/12/republicans-victimhood-mythology-elections-00055908

Democrats expose the fake victimhood of MAGA derived from lies about furries, drag, woke, LGBTQ, immigrants, minorities. Why not expose MAGA on the fake victimhood of the staged Trump fake assassinations. The same liars are lying.

Farmer-Rick

(11,538 posts)
106. Don't do as I do
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:43 PM
Oct 25

Just do as I say.

Calling people names works for MAGA. Why does giving them the same energy dangerous now?

Bunch of fools.

Omnipresent

(6,469 posts)
107. Can someone please tell me when Moscow Mitch gets back?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:43 PM
Oct 25

Because it seems that he’s always out to lunch.

live love laugh

(14,552 posts)
110. "Would-be assassin..." Utter bullshit. His "assassins" were Republicans.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:51 PM
Oct 25

They manufactured their own “enemy”.

Sogo

(5,840 posts)
118. Have they ever called on Trump to stop his bullshit lies and his laughing at attacks, like the one
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:16 PM
Oct 25

against Paul Pelosi?

PurgedVoter

(2,403 posts)
121. Johnson and McConnell are unaware of the Streisand Effect.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:50 PM
Oct 25

Just in case you missed it, Streisand effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

In fifty years time anyone who looks up Fascism is going to see *rump as the poster child. When history examines Johnson and McConnell's contributions, they too are going to be labeled as Fascists. In the future I doubt their entry will be all that big, but they can both be assured that the few references to them will be in association with *rump. In a hundred years time, no one is going to be happy when their genetic information brings up a relation to either Johnson or McConnell. Mary Trump is the only reason her last name might have a hint of redemption behind it.

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,172 posts)
122. Both Mitchie and Mikey can SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:59 PM
Oct 25

Tell tRump to stop his name-calling Kamala a "Comminist, Fascist, Marxist, Lazy, Low IQ, and STUPID"

But we know they won't. Labeling tRump FASCIST is appropriate for what he is suggesting.

Dem4life1234

(1,981 posts)
123. They need to shut the fuck up
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 05:14 PM
Oct 25

She's lucky she didn't call him a rapist perverted damn near pedo felon.

IzzaNuDay

(687 posts)
129. For Moscow Mike and Mitch: F off!
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 06:14 PM
Oct 25

You are both complicit in this emerging fascism. Go the F away.

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